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Chinese edition:
http://bbs.17173.com/thread/477/868/20100522/4bf7b5674d6452013-1.html
Since many people here are not familiar with Asian guys, I decide to make a very brief introduciton to them. Players are roughly ranked A,B,C and D, and groups are estimated as Very Strong, Strong, Overall Good, Average and Weak. Keep in mind that players in lower ranks do not auto lose to those in higher ranks, and some ppl may greatly improve or drop due to many factors.
---- Group Beijing ------ (Strong) (bratOK's here)
- Duskbin.Sen (Z) A+
Famous non-korean starcraft player, and now No.1 non-korean zerg in SC2. Very strong at Zerg vs Protoss matchup.
- oGs.SlayerBoxer (T) A
Aka NcYellow, said to be a Boxer fan from Korea. Formidable Terran good at micro. Awesome dropship play can always be seen in his games.
(added by GTR: aka IntoTheRainBOw , former teammate of boxer)
- E3_Super (P) C+
ex-sc pro using Terran. Strong at Protoss vs Terran. Needs to improve in many ways.
---- Group Shanghai ----- (weak) (WhitRa's here)
- Panda.ACE (P) B
ex-war3 semi-pro, one of top SC2 players in China. Strong at micro/strat, weak at macro.
- Prime.Check (Z) B+
ex-war3 pro from Korea, strong at micro, but relatively weak at macro.
- MnM.Empty (T) C-
Terran from mainland China. Not solid enough.
----- Group Shenyang ------ (Average) (Idra here)
- oGs.Leeraeun (Z) A+
Old SC1 pro Sir@Soni(added by FrozenArbiter, thx), Korean zerg from the No.1 Starcraft 2 clan oGs. Formidable player good at almost everything.
- Duskbin.F91 (Z) B-
Well known SC pro form China yet has pretty poor performance in SC2 events. Needs to improve in many ways to become solid.
- S.C_WAWP (T) Unkown
Can be seen in World Cup Finals because PJ gave away his place.
----- Group Xian -------(overall good) (Dimaga here)
- Panda.Loner (T) B
No.1 SC2 Terran player in China. Aged 19, lacks competitive experience.
- Prime.Cezzane (Z) A+
Aka ToSky[S.G] (added by GTR), ex-sc pro, another formidable zerg from Korean.
- Beckham (P) B-
Ex-SC pro using zerg, now working at a company and only plays SC2 in spare time. Good at macro.
------ Group Guangzhou ----- (very strong) (no eu/us player here)
- Prime.Freedom (Z) A+ (maybe S)
Talented player good at SC (msl top 32) ,WC3 (wcg championship) and poker. Among the favourites to win the tournament. Remains unbeatable to non-koreans in SC2 tourneys yet get rolled by many many korean players.
- oGs.Zenio (Z) A+
One more korean Zerg. Needless to say more.
( The following info is added by FrozenArbiter: )
Ex-WC3 player, one of the first players to distinguish himself on the asian server in the early weeks of beta. Only WC3 player who finished top 4 in the PGR21 tournament (the others were ex-SC pros TheWind, Cool[Fou] - aka fruittrader - and Sir@Soni).
- E3_Fengzi (Z) A-
ex-SC pro, No.1 zerg in mainland China. Needs better understanding of the game and more smart play.
- SCI)_W_Y_W (Z) C+
Very old SC pro from China. Not that good at Starcraft 2.
------ Group Taipei --------- (Strong) (Nazgul here)
- Prime.Maka (T) A
A.K.A. Townhall an ex wc3 player (added by Holcan), Korean Terran especially good at Terran vs Zerg matchup. Strong at micro and overall good at other aspects.
- Prime.Anypro (P) A
Top Korean protoss.
- V.A_xiaOt (P) B-
ex-wc3 pro from China, famous in WC3 circles. Lack coherence in long matches.
------ Group Chengdu ------ (very Strong) (HayPrO here)
- oGs.水果贩子 (Z) A+
Aka cool[fou]. Ex-SC pro from Team eStro. Not having a successful SC pro career yet turning out as a beast in SC2. Amongst the favorites to win this tourney.
- oGs.sSKS (P) A+
Aka Tester[gm] (added by GTR, thx ). One of the best protoss in Clan oGs.
- Star.NewLife (P) B-
A SC2 fan selected from 17173.com forum. Maybe the weakest player in the event.
------- Group Wuhan--------- (weak) (TheLittleOne here)
- Prime.DayFly (T) A-
The Orc King from Korean. Smart and very offensive play. Not as solid in Macro.
- S.C_PJ (T) C+
Famous Chinese starcraft player. Now working as management of a Pro Team in China. Not that good in SC2 scene.
- V.A_MTY (T) C+
Very old starcraft gamer from China, wcg 2v2 championship. Not that good in SC2 as well.
Edit1:
Note: The player ranking is a sketchy one based maily on the players' performance in China's events, especailly those held by 17173.com, it can not depict the accurate skill level differences between players. For example, freedom got rolled by maka many times, but he had a splendid peformance in China, therefore he ranked S. Maka on the other side did not do so well as Freedom did, he even lost to super(P) and got eliminated in the previous event before WC.
Edit2:
Rankings of some players chaged:
ssks and cezzane are promoted from A to A+ for they kept unbeatable in Korean qualifiers.
Edit3:
The 'S' ranking has been cancelled to avoid confusion and misunderstanding. Most rankings have been tuned down to further distinguish the skill level differences between players, including check from A- to B+, dayfly from A to A-.
Edit4:
Newlife are promoted from D to B-. Confuse him and another player from 17173.com forum.
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ggnet lists leeraerun as sirasoni
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A brief introduction to Asian guys in this group:
----- Group Xian -------(overall good) (Dimaga here)
- Panda.Loner (T) B+
No.1 SC2 Terran player in China. Aged 19, lack competitive experience. Goot at TvP while weak at TvZ.
- Prime.Cezzane (Z) A
Another formidable zerg from Korean.
- Beckham (P) B
Ex-SC pro from China (using zerg), now working at a company. Only plays SC2 in spare time. Good at macro.
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lost some credability when you put freedom at S rank and maka at A.... sen A+ seriously?
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On May 21 2010 00:02 starcraft911 wrote:
lost some credability when you put freedom at S rank and maka at A.... sen A+ seriously?
Freedom is the "defending champion" of the event, and sen won much more games in Chinese tourneys.
I'm not saying that players like maka are not as good as freedom, in fact, I know that freedom got rolled by maka many times.
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You are saying that players like Maka are not as good when you give them lower rankings. lol
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From what I heard, Maka's TvP is his weakest match-up. If he gets through his world cup bracket (3 Protoss) tomorrow, I think it'd be fair to say that he's A+.
Also, I don't think there are any S players at the moment. To be S, you have to be more or less undefeated against non-S players, and I don't think that's true for any player.
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On May 21 2010 00:58 Azarkon wrote:
From what I heard, Maka's TvP is his weakest match-up. If he gets through his world cup bracket (3 Protoss) tomorrow, I think it'd be fair to say that he's A+.
Also, I don't think there are any S players at the moment. To be S, you have to be more or less undefeated against non-S players, and I don't think that's true for any player.
Second this
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sSKS is Tester though
sSKS
과일장수
Those two are non comparable to any other koreans. I think they can be considered as S rank.
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Sweden33719 Posts
I'll add some bits;
- oGs.Leeraeun (Z) A+
Korean zerg from the No.1 Starcraft 2 clan oGs. Formidable player good at almost everything
Old SC1 pro Sir@Soni, did pretty well in the big PGR21 tournament last month (top 4 I think).
- oGs.Zenio (Z) A+
One more korean Zerg. Needless to say more.
Ex-WC3 player, one of the first players to distinguish himself on the asian server in the early weeks of beta. Only WC3 player who finished top 4 in the PGR21 tournament (the others were ex-SC pros TheWind, Cool[Fou] - aka fruittrader - and Sir@Soni).
- oGs.sSKS (P) A
Aka ToSky[S.G]. One of the best protoss in Clan oGs.
I believe sSKS is Tester, ex-SC pro from the eStro team.
- V.A_MTY (T) B-
Very old starcraft gamer from China, wcg 2v2 championship. Not that good in SC2 as well.
He finished 2nd in the first ever WC3 WCG as well, playing under the ID "chinahuman", if I'm not mistaken.
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On May 21 2010 01:17 FrozenArbiter wrote:I'll add some bits; Show nested quote +- oGs.Leeraeun (Z) A+
Korean zerg from the No.1 Starcraft 2 clan oGs. Formidable player good at almost everything
Old SC1 pro Sir@Soni, did pretty well in the big PGR21 tournament last month (top 4 I think). Ex-WC3 player, one of the first players to distinguish himself on the asian server in the early weeks of beta. Only WC3 player who finished top 4 in the PGR21 tournament (the others were ex-SC pros TheWind, Cool[Fou] - aka fruittrader - and Sir@Soni). I believe sSKS is Tester, ex-SC pro from the eStro team. Show nested quote +- V.A_MTY (T) B-
Very old starcraft gamer from China, wcg 2v2 championship. Not that good in SC2 as well. He finished 2nd in the first ever WC3 WCG as well, playing under the ID "chinahuman", if I'm not mistaken.
Chinahuman is another guy his name is GuoBing,his old ID is CQ2000.Wcg2001 BW 4th and Wcg 2003 War3 2nd.
MTY's name is MaTianYuan he won WCG2001 2v2 Champion with his partner Deep
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So if I'm not mistaken, based on what I've learned in this thread.
Korean "S" players
과일장수 (oGs) - Zerg - Cool
sSKS (oGs) - Protoss - TesteR
"A" players
Freedom (oGs) - Zerg
Check (Prime) - Zerg
Cezanne (Prime) - Zerg - ToSky
Leeraeun (oGs) - Zerg - SiR@SoNi
Zenio (oGs) - Zerg
Maka (Prime) - Terran
SlayersBoxer (oGs) - Terran - RainBOw
Dayfly (Prime) - Terran
Anypro (Prime) - Protoss
+ Sen, Whitera, TheLittleOne, Idra
"B" players
Dimaga, BratOK, Haypro
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nono
s players - ex sc1 players
a players - ex sc1 players
b players - non koreans with sc1 experience
c players - non koreans
d players - koreans ive never heard of before
id like to add that maka is A.K.A. Townhall an ex wc3 player.
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I would say players like dimaga and BratOK could very well be A-. Best European Zerg and Terran. I doubt people like Check and Dayfly are better than them. Also Haypro can be A- too, but he hasn't been playing so brightly since he won that tournament.
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BratOK really cant be considered best euro terran with demuslim and lucifron existing I don't think
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On May 21 2010 01:57 epik640x wrote:
So if I'm not mistaken, based on what I've learned in this thread.
Korean "S" players
과일장수 (oGs) - Zerg - Cool
sSKS (oGs) - Protoss - TesteR
"A" players
Freedom (oGs) - Zerg
Check (Prime) - Zerg
Cezanne (Prime) - Zerg - ToSky
Leeraeun (oGs) - Zerg - SiR@SoNi
Zenio (oGs) - Zerg
Maka (Prime) - Terran
SlayersBoxer (oGs) - Terran - RainBOw
Dayfly (Prime) - Terran
Anypro (Prime) - Protoss
+ Sen, Whitera, TheLittleOne, Idra
"B" players
Dimaga, BratOK, Haypro
I don't believe he was rating the non-asian players at all. The ([name] is here) comments are to show which group particular players are in for this tournament, NOT which players they are letter ranked w/.
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On May 21 2010 02:37 Lyter wrote:
BratOK really cant be considered best euro terran with demuslim and lucifron existing I don't think
Clearly I beg to differ. Demuslim is of course a contender, but I would count Lucifron out right away.
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On May 21 2010 03:10 Squeegy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2010 02:37 Lyter wrote:
BratOK really cant be considered best euro terran with demuslim and lucifron existing I don't think Clearly I beg to differ. Demuslim is of course a contender, but I would count Lucifron out right away.
I haven't seen BratOK play that good to be considered #1 Terran in EU.
I might have missed something, though. Care to educate me?
Edit: By that I mean, what makes you think he's the best.
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Demuslim is the best European Terran from what I've seen, and probably the best Terran outside of Korea.
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On May 21 2010 04:25 cuppatea wrote:
Demuslim is the best European Terran from what I've seen, and probably the best Terran outside of Korea.
I doubt in that, but hes from UK and U are too, so figures. LucifroN, Strelok, there are many great terran players...
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Results count. DeMuslim is the best Terran on Europe now. Lucifronn was the best in the first month of the Beta.
http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/rankings you see any other Terran even anywhere close? It's not even an argument at all.
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Post was very helpful (: thanks , i hope this all comes to liquipedia so no need to do this every tourney!
anyways, if you are gonna bicker abt how he set the rankings you are free to do your own writeups or ranks without scoffing at him
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On May 21 2010 08:01 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Results count. DeMuslim is the best Terran on Europe now. Lucifronn was the best in the first month of the Beta. http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/rankings you see any other Terran even anywhere close? It's not even an argument at all.
Wow, Sen is at #1 now with 16-1.
Though I'm sure the Koreans will be up there soon enough...
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wait tester is terran now ? so sad 
i would like to have some progamer for toss
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I think he's still Protoss. At least that's what it says in the WC thread.
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Isn't TheLittleOne best terran? lol
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How is that gosugamer ranking work?
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On May 21 2010 08:01 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Results count. DeMuslim is the best Terran on Europe now. Lucifronn was the best in the first month of the Beta. http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/rankings you see any other Terran even anywhere close? It's not even an argument at all.
Bascially, you can not tell who is better from gosugamers ranking at the moment. BratOK had ranked NO.1 before his tragic performance in the world cup, and sen was directly placed No.1 after he won 3 matches in a row.
And if you want, I will give you some vod links to see how good (not that good imo) DeMuslim was when facing Korean guys.
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bro
sSKS is well above A
he demolishes almost every korean sc2 players
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On May 21 2010 01:17 FrozenArbiter wrote:I'll add some bits; Show nested quote +- oGs.Leeraeun (Z) A+
Korean zerg from the No.1 Starcraft 2 clan oGs. Formidable player good at almost everything
Old SC1 pro Sir@Soni, did pretty well in the big PGR21 tournament last month (top 4 I think). Ex-WC3 player, one of the first players to distinguish himself on the asian server in the early weeks of beta. Only WC3 player who finished top 4 in the PGR21 tournament (the others were ex-SC pros TheWind, Cool[Fou] - aka fruittrader - and Sir@Soni). I believe sSKS is Tester, ex-SC pro from the eStro team. Show nested quote +- V.A_MTY (T) B-
Very old starcraft gamer from China, wcg 2v2 championship. Not that good in SC2 as well. He finished 2nd in the first ever WC3 WCG as well, playing under the ID "chinahuman", if I'm not mistaken.
Thx, Arbiter. And MTY is not Chinahuman who finished 2nd in the WC3 WCG, it is Guo Bin (aka: cq2000, SC:BW wcg top 4, The Terran who knocked Grrr.. out ) that did the good job.
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I don't think europ players like Zpux Bratok Idra and dimaga could stand chances against asian players.Probably only TLO and white-ra are relatively competitive.But still not outstanding amongest world.Exaclty speaking, apart from TLO,no europ players can be ranked as"A" or above just at the same level of china.Players like Dayfly and loner obviously are underestimated.Dayfly's macro is amazing if you have checked his match-up against Demulsim.As for loner,his micro is sick and he have a record of outplaying freedom by 3:0.
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On May 21 2010 19:18 minger wrote:
I don't think europ players like Zpux Bratok Idra and dimaga could stand chances against asian players.Probably only TLO and white-ra are relatively competitive.But still not outstanding amongest world.Exaclty speaking, apart from TLO,no europ players can be ranked as"A" or above just at the same level of china.Players like Dayfly and loner obviously are underestimated.Dayfly's macro is amazing if you have checked his match-up against Demulsim.As for loner,his micro is sick and he have a record of outplaying freedom by 3:0.
Idra is american living in Korea and he is quite capable in competing with asian players o.O
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On May 21 2010 08:01 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Results count. DeMuslim is the best Terran on Europe now. Lucifronn was the best in the first month of the Beta. http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/rankings you see any other Terran even anywhere close? It's not even an argument at all.
I think there isnt many differences among top 20 players, or am I mistaking?
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On May 21 2010 13:55 skypacer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2010 01:17 FrozenArbiter wrote:I'll add some bits; - oGs.Leeraeun (Z) A+
Korean zerg from the No.1 Starcraft 2 clan oGs. Formidable player good at almost everything
Old SC1 pro Sir@Soni, did pretty well in the big PGR21 tournament last month (top 4 I think). - oGs.Zenio (Z) A+
One more korean Zerg. Needless to say more. Ex-WC3 player, one of the first players to distinguish himself on the asian server in the early weeks of beta. Only WC3 player who finished top 4 in the PGR21 tournament (the others were ex-SC pros TheWind, Cool[Fou] - aka fruittrader - and Sir@Soni). - oGs.sSKS (P) A
Aka ToSky[S.G]. One of the best protoss in Clan oGs. I believe sSKS is Tester, ex-SC pro from the eStro team. - V.A_MTY (T) B-
Very old starcraft gamer from China, wcg 2v2 championship. Not that good in SC2 as well. He finished 2nd in the first ever WC3 WCG as well, playing under the ID "chinahuman", if I'm not mistaken. Thx, Arbiter. And MTY is not Chinahuman who finished 2nd in the WC3 WCG, it is Guo Bin (aka: cq2000, SC:BW wcg top 4, The Terran who knocked Grrr.. out ) that did the good job.
Ahhhhhh, I knew it was an oldschool Terran  Got them mixed up.
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- Star.NewLife (P) B-
A SC2 fan selected from 17173.com forum. Maybe the weakest player in the event.
oGs.과일장수 and Star.NewLife advance to the round of 16.
LOL
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I see the OP has updated Newlife to B- from D... Hope he does well in Prime and gets moved to A+ eventually
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On May 23 2010 10:31 Azarkon wrote:I see the OP has updated Newlife to B- from D... Hope he does well in Prime and gets moved to A+ eventually
I had updated Newlife's ranking just before his games (see "edit 4"), for I found that I confused Newlife and another Protoss from 17173.com forum.
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On May 23 2010 14:08 skypacer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2010 10:31 Azarkon wrote:I see the OP has updated Newlife to B- from D... Hope he does well in Prime and gets moved to A+ eventually I had updated Newlife's ranking just before his games (see "edit 4"), for I found that I confused Newlife and another Protoss from 17173.com forum.
Ok. Still, it's surprising that a random fan from the forums did so well whereas the old pros did not.
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On May 23 2010 14:15 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2010 14:08 skypacer wrote:On May 23 2010 10:31 Azarkon wrote:I see the OP has updated Newlife to B- from D... Hope he does well in Prime and gets moved to A+ eventually I had updated Newlife's ranking just before his games (see "edit 4"), for I found that I confused Newlife and another Protoss from 17173.com forum. Ok. Still, it's surprising that a random fan from the forums did so well whereas the old pros did not.
Not a random fun. Newlife is said to be the champion of 17173 forum's starcraft 2 cup.
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Hello,Newlife was D...and now?
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first as a disclaimer I have been a huge fan of BOTH the sc and wc3 communities this is why I know some w3 stuff, not a fanboy so take it for what its worth...
awesome, use the fact that he was a w3 player to just pull 'bad macro and good micro' out of your ass
DayFly has amazing macro just look at his game vs Demuslim
/rage
rest of the description is right though, his play is indeed 'smart, aggressive' but he can play very good macro games too, he should be A not A-...
same thing for Check, except you are just simply dead wrong in your 'bad at macro and good at micro', because Check's micro has never been good. actually, Check was NOTORIOUS in the w3 community for being a macro player, since that is rare for w3 progamers. He would play at the top level of w3 with about half the apm as everyone else, and was known for his timing, gamesense/decision making, and macro more than his micro, which (by war3 standards) was bad compared to the players he could compete with.
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