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Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-30 14:08:29
May 30 2010 14:07 GMT
#1361
don't even think you need to cut probes to stop it you just need to not be blind :<

I really felt in control of the games like he was trying to adapt to my style so bad doesn't feel good that I couldn't nail that last game
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
May 30 2010 14:07 GMT
#1362
On May 30 2010 23:02 Full wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2010 23:00 Slayer91 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

gerrard must be the "cheesy newbie" that artosis complains about. :p
once p's start to cut probes and react ASAP vs a nydus like that it will fail.


when did artosis say this?

link?


Artosis complains the asia server is full of skillless cheesy newbies or something along those lines.
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
May 30 2010 14:08 GMT
#1363
On May 30 2010 23:07 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2010 23:02 Full wrote:
On May 30 2010 23:00 Slayer91 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

gerrard must be the "cheesy newbie" that artosis complains about. :p
once p's start to cut probes and react ASAP vs a nydus like that it will fail.


when did artosis say this?

link?


Artosis complains the asia server is full of skillless cheesy newbies or something along those lines.

no just gerrard and zenio
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-30 14:20:10
May 30 2010 14:09 GMT
#1364
On May 30 2010 23:04 Hold-Lurker wrote:
Yea, if that was a Best of 7, I feel like Nazgul would have won. He adapted so well to the baneling bust, and *almost* had that Nydus all-in covered. If he only cut a few more probes for some more gateway units it would have been good.

I do wonder how about the viability of the Nazgul FE aganist a better player though, as playing blind puts you up against mass roaches or hydras, double expand, nydus, and mutas and it seems like a good zerg player will be able to vary it enough to take an easy win (imagine cutting probes to block the nydus and then having them go double expand drone pump).


I'm not sure if you play zerg but you can't really one base low eco and double gas and then just go double expand you don't have the economy to support it like in bw, since in bw 1 per patch efficiency really paid off while in sc2 its less apparent. You're going to be vulnerable to any kind of timing push.

Additionally you can't just straight up fast expand like in BW because 2 queens allows you to easily win in economy pressure is a must right now. You should have noticed that nobody fast expands without some early pressure now.

All this playing blind thing is something that has to be dealt with. It's like zerg FE, DTs, void rays, 4 gate, 3 gate robo, 5 gate robo-->warp prism and double expand are all viable but you just deal with them. It want to play a good economic build you just have to learn to defeat all the cheeses that players throw at you.

You can't be a dominant player by just cheesing every game, you have to be extemely solid mechanically and be smart enough react properly.
Hold-Lurker
Profile Joined October 2007
United States403 Posts
May 30 2010 14:19 GMT
#1365
I don't think you have to go double gas - going one gas until the protoss' 2 zealots are dead will easily give you enough leeway to do whatever you want to do - adding a second gas, double expanding, etc. You can delay the speedling tech if you need the lair gas for any of those transitions and it's usually fairly difficult to scout if you build the pool near the back.
Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-30 14:25:42
May 30 2010 14:24 GMT
#1366
OMG they going to do TLO vs Sen next!!
9/5/10 P acct: NA D 10,683 651pts 69w56L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/290365/LetoAtreides T acct: NA D 16,137 553pts 70w67L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1560008/Khrone Z: NA G 16,058 465pts 28w26L http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1997354/Omnius
qoiN
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden576 Posts
May 30 2010 14:26 GMT
#1367
Didn't TLO and Sen just play in kaspersky? Oh well :p
Enox
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany1667 Posts
May 30 2010 14:28 GMT
#1368
lol, ye.. what a timing. hope TLO can get revenge in this one, though he is 0:2 back and needs to win 3 games to take the series :s that wont be easy
If you think it's too hard there are solutions other than asking for a nerf, getting better is the first that comes to mind.
Hold-Lurker
Profile Joined October 2007
United States403 Posts
May 30 2010 14:31 GMT
#1369
Haha you keep editing your post. I don't disagree that you can't be the best player if all you do is cheese. I don't disagree that every race has many contingencies to prepare for, but some builds can evolve out of being the "standard" strategy if there are enough weaknesses. (For example, a 2gate in SC1 PvZ)

The question I pose is whether there are enough weaknesses in a 10gate-forge expand build that warrants something else being the standard (aka Nony's 35 food 3-gate expand timing). It very well may be fine - Nazgul seems pretty confident he could have beaten the Nydus without cutting probes, and his 6-gate play seems more flexible than robo play to counter roaches, hydras, and mutas.

I hope Day9 does a daily on the Nagzul build again - maybe the evolution of the game, how the build has changed (less zealot pressure, gateways instead of robo, other small tweaks in the build), and how the counters to the build have grown.
WiljushkA
Profile Joined March 2006
Serbia1416 Posts
May 30 2010 14:47 GMT
#1370
wow great play by TLO, as usual
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Inkblood
Profile Joined February 2010
United States463 Posts
May 30 2010 14:50 GMT
#1371
That game was amazing by TLO, the viking hellion play was very nice. Very entertaining. But TLO still has two more games to win.
Prodtoss
Profile Joined May 2010
China849 Posts
May 30 2010 15:00 GMT
#1372
hellions and viking harras really annoying..
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
May 30 2010 15:02 GMT
#1373
fucking hero no joke
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Inkblood
Profile Joined February 2010
United States463 Posts
May 30 2010 15:03 GMT
#1374
Wow, that attack on Sen's main was so damaging, and then he killed a ton of overlords filled with units. Amazing.
Puosu
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
6992 Posts
May 30 2010 15:04 GMT
#1375
What's the reason for not getting infernal pre-igniter? The amount of damage it deals against drones is ssssssssssssssssick and with the amount of harassment TLO has done I doubt Sen would have any drones left at this point..
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-30 15:09:51
May 30 2010 15:06 GMT
#1376
On May 31 2010 00:04 Puosu wrote:
What's the reason for not getting infernal pre-igniter? The amount of damage it deals against drones is ssssssssssssssssick and with the amount of harassment TLO has done I doubt Sen would have any drones left at this point..

the addon im guessing although im no tvz expert

this game is insane
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Prodtoss
Profile Joined May 2010
China849 Posts
May 30 2010 15:11 GMT
#1377
Sen such a baller LOL
Enox
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany1667 Posts
May 30 2010 15:11 GMT
#1378
omg, how could TLO get so far behind after that awsome opening i hope he wont lose this
If you think it's too hard there are solutions other than asking for a nerf, getting better is the first that comes to mind.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-30 15:12:06
May 30 2010 15:11 GMT
#1379
Nazgul:
+ Show Spoiler [Kapersky cup spoiler] +
Not to take anything away from this event, but in your opinion as a pro, do you think Sen and TLO are both taking this as seriously, since Sen just won that ridiculous bo7 for $$$$, and this is just a show event?
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snotboogie
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Australia3550 Posts
May 30 2010 15:13 GMT
#1380
WOW. Sen is so sick....
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