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Epic!  At least I hope so 
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how about the 3rd/4th place game? the results are not in the brackets and usually you just see the 2nd place finisher as the winner of that game
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On April 12 2010 06:44 Julmust wrote:
how about the 3rd/4th place game? the results are not in the brackets and usually you just see the 2nd place finisher as the winner of that game
Not sure why they usually do that, but it has to be either brainbug or Strelok, because the amount of points you get for 3rd and 4th place are different.
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Our games will be streamed on Monday too
On April 12 2010 20:27 arctics86 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2010 06:44 Julmust wrote:
how about the 3rd/4th place game? the results are not in the brackets and usually you just see the 2nd place finisher as the winner of that game Not sure why they usually do that, but it has to be either brainbug or Strelok, because the amount of points you get for 3rd and 4th place are different.
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go terrans, show me how it's done 
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That's cool, i will be watching it and I hope for some great games.
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what is 20:15CET in KDT, EST or PST? plz
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Cheering for White-Ra, also i am looking for replays of these games. German stream feels boring.
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my golly can't wait for this
GO RA fighting
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On April 12 2010 22:24 KhAlleB wrote:
what is 20:15CET in KDT, EST or PST? plz
20:15 CET is 2:15PM EST.
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On April 12 2010 22:55 scottyyy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2010 22:24 KhAlleB wrote:
what is 20:15CET in KDT, EST or PST? plz 20:15 CET is 2:15PM EST.
YEAH !!! I finish working at 1h45PM and will rush to my house to be there at time xD
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Canada5565 Posts
My class will finish right before this
I'll have enough time to pick up some groceries, come back and watching. Looking forward to some great games!
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nice - I'll watch it for sure!
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Starts in a little over 3 hours.
1pm cst/2pm est/11am pst
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gogo demuslim, i wanna see a T winning cause of last patch
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Ugh, esl tv... The quality is such shit :/
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On April 13 2010 02:41 Zhek wrote:
Ugh, esl tv... The quality is such shit :/
pay to watch at better quality.
2 euros.
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On April 13 2010 02:41 Zhek wrote:
Ugh, esl tv... The quality is such shit :/
I can deal with the quality, I can't deal with the octoshape plugin jackin all my upload bandwidth.
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will it be in english this time?
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On April 13 2010 02:58 Julmust wrote:
will it be in english this time?
was there ever english ESL SC2 cast?
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On April 13 2010 02:58 Julmust wrote:
will it be in english this time?
won't have because the final is ESL exclusivity
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Canada5565 Posts
I'm ready, let's do this! White-Ra fighting!
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Which page do you go to for the stream? h.264 free/low quality one?
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On April 13 2010 02:58 Julmust wrote:
will it be in english this time?
I don't know why ppl wan't english commentary so much, I've been wathcing Korean VoD's for years without understanding anything.
Besides, most of the commentators atm (exceptions being Day9, Rise and a few others), be it english or German, are kind of incompetent and boring anyways... :S
I understand German, but I mute it, cuz they just talk crap. ^^'
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show will start a few minutes late
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I'm just getting crappy counterstrike streams am I on the right page?
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yeah, they always run highlight footage before starting.
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On April 13 2010 02:49 s.a.y wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 02:41 Zhek wrote:
Ugh, esl tv... The quality is such shit :/ pay to watch at better quality. 2 euros.
Agree. Time for us to put some money in e-sports if we want it to grow bigger. Just like in football you pay for a ticket to watch the match.
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On April 13 2010 03:02 ondik wrote:was there ever english ESL SC2 cast?
No but that wasn't the question was it?
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Yeah its coming on after the IEM highlights
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Highlights are just filling material for in between shows, it's not like they are waiting for the highlights to finish
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No, the cast will not be in english today either and for the love of god stop complaining about it.
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On April 13 2010 03:26 arctics86 wrote:
Highlights are just filling material for in between shows, it's not like they are waiting for the highlights to finish
More like buying time. Unless that's what you meant.
Live Now
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Do you need to register to the site to let it play? cause it doesnt show anything for me :S
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I'm getting stream not found error sometimes saying nostream(34) others esl.oph350 with the flash alternative. The windows media player one insists I do not have octoshape installed inspite of the fact that I do. Any ideas how to fix this?
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Demuslim was practicing this build today (or for the past few days I guess), he kinda handed my ass to me with it
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Demuslim has problems with lags.. again..
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another lag incident for demuslim? are you sure it's not you if it happens this often? i hope it doesn't interfere with the games too much
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Jesus christ the caster needs to stop clicking everything a million times.
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Demuslim really need to fix his computer/connection. Lag seems to be a constant concern for him.
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bitching about lag is fair enough, but waiting to do it til after you've lost the game is hilarious.
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demuslim should fix his pc... had same problems on same map on last zotac cup...
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Well White-Ra responded a lot better to it than I did
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I feel sorry for demuslim... Everytime he gets lagg...
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Apparently Muslims have the worst internet evarh! That's the second tourney he's complaining about his horrendous connection :s
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every time i watch a stream with demuslim he complains about lag >_<
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I think demuslims build is terrible
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really bad for demuslim
but the problem almost has to be on demuslim's side (pc, network, ISP, whatever) i mean white_ra plays a gazillion games. ladder, tournaments, invitationals... no one else had problems playing against him...
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How is DeMusliM able to get this far quite often but in every final he suddenly has unbearable lag but not in the prelims!?
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he thinks it's only against players from ukraine. routing problem from his ISP. but unfortunately for him ukraine has a lot of good players xD
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Is demuslim seriously going to blame every loss on lag?
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Lags starts when he's losing haha
Seriously he should have gone to a friend to play ... he deserves it.
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come on... demuslim... you are going to have some difficulties explaining your ISP supporter that lag always starts when you get behind in a sc2 game.
no, just kidding xD. hope you can fix you problems soon
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On April 13 2010 03:59 cyclone25 wrote:
Lags starts when he's losing haha
Seriously he should have gone to a friend to play ... he deserves it.
sign lol
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even if it is lag at this point nothing you can do, suck it up and be mannered for tv imo
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one thing that i dond get is, why does demuslim always complain about laf AFTER beeing in disadvantage/dead? thats just stupid, say it at start or make it like him and look like a whiner...
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Lol yeah that's just so bad. Hey I'm losing, damnit! But only because of lag. Can't take him serious from now on.
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i liked demu, but this is lol. when somebody rapes ur minline with a DT and u have no energy for scan, lag is not the problem.
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Something is wrong with the routing on BNet for me when i play players from Russian/UKR - i don't have any idea what it is or any solution on how to solves it (no LAN play obviously brings problems).
For wc3 BNet (the first version), the UK had similar problems but vs scandinavian countries vs BNet (most of the time players would disconnect) but now it just seems that i'm having troubles with eastern European countries.
Edit:
Just to make the lag issue clear - it starts roughly 1 minute into the game, every time - and gradually gets worse - if you play with any kind of lag what so ever it's gonna throw you off but this is pretty much unplayable. - My screen has roughly 7-10 fps - and spikes ridiculously bad - if i chat it will come up with 2-3 chat lines at a time rather than when i actually finish my sentence. Alot of my actions don't even happen.
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SC2 is not P2P, right ? So his connection to Ukraine can't be a problem.
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no 3rd game
demuslim went offline
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On April 13 2010 04:02 DeMusliM wrote:
Something is wrong with the routing on BNet for me when i play players from Russian/UKR - i don't have any idea what it is or any solution on how to solves it (no LAN play obviously brings problems).
For wc3 BNet (the first version), the UK had similar problems but vs scandinavian countries vs BNet (most of the time players would disconnect) but now it just seems that i'm having troubles with eastern European countries.
Yeah, sure and you never get outplayed. Oh, no. Durrrrrr.
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I like DeMusliM but forfeighting like that.. don't know. No matter if he could micro better, it was the builds that won both games for White-rA
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besides all lag issues. i really don't like thors in TvP. they get raped bigtime by immortals and marines to block/protect can be picked of by sentry/zeal early and storm late...
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On April 13 2010 04:02 DeMusliM wrote:
Something is wrong with the routing on BNet for me when i play players from Russian/UKR - i don't have any idea what it is or any solution on how to solves it (no LAN play obviously brings problems).
For wc3 BNet (the first version), the UK had similar problems but vs scandinavian countries vs BNet (most of the time players would disconnect) but now it just seems that i'm having troubles with eastern European countries.
thats too bad :[ but still, that dt loss had nothing to do with lag. Unfortunately you will never have a chance to win anything if you lag against ukranians because they are pretty much dominating atm T_T
also you should resign from invite tourneys where you are bound to run into an ukranian player. nobody wants to see forfeits.
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Someone get R1CH to fix this for DeMusliM, I doubt this will be his last match against an Ukranian.
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On April 13 2010 04:02 DeMusliM wrote:
Something is wrong with the routing on BNet for me when i play players from Russian/UKR - i don't have any idea what it is or any solution on how to solves it (no LAN play obviously brings problems).
For wc3 BNet (the first version), the UK had similar problems but vs scandinavian countries vs BNet (most of the time players would disconnect) but now it just seems that i'm having troubles with eastern European countries.
we could trust you a little bit more, if you would talk about the lag in the first few minutes of the game, but lately.. it's always been after you're losing fights that you talk about the "lag" that you're getting.
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yea swissvpn.net costs few dollars for a month
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Lol is White-Ra going Zerg now?
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i lost both games, admittedly which is why i gg'd - but i'm not gonna waste my time playing when it's obviously a problem that can't be solved - it's not fun for me, and it's not fun for the spectators seeing a player not perform his best.
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On April 13 2010 04:05 YunhOLee wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 04:02 DeMusliM wrote:
Something is wrong with the routing on BNet for me when i play players from Russian/UKR - i don't have any idea what it is or any solution on how to solves it (no LAN play obviously brings problems).
For wc3 BNet (the first version), the UK had similar problems but vs scandinavian countries vs BNet (most of the time players would disconnect) but now it just seems that i'm having troubles with eastern European countries. we could trust you a little bit more, if you would talk about the lag in the first few minutes of the game, but lately.. it's always been after you're losing fights that you talk about the "lag" that you're getting.
I tried roughly 5 regames vs Crybaby - and i lagged exactly when the 9th scv popped out, it's exactly the same vs whitera - it's a routing problem.
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No one should accuse Demuslim for faking lag... SC plays might not know him but he has a very good track record in wc3.
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On April 13 2010 04:07 DeMusliM wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 04:05 YunhOLee wrote:On April 13 2010 04:02 DeMusliM wrote:
Something is wrong with the routing on BNet for me when i play players from Russian/UKR - i don't have any idea what it is or any solution on how to solves it (no LAN play obviously brings problems).
For wc3 BNet (the first version), the UK had similar problems but vs scandinavian countries vs BNet (most of the time players would disconnect) but now it just seems that i'm having troubles with eastern European countries. we could trust you a little bit more, if you would talk about the lag in the first few minutes of the game, but lately.. it's always been after you're losing fights that you talk about the "lag" that you're getting. I tried roughly 5 regames vs Crybaby - and i lagged exactly when the 9th scv popped out, it's exactly the same vs whitera - it's a routing problem.
www.swissvpn.net should fix it
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brainlag vs. strelok now?
i got no clue where that brainlag comes from
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On April 13 2010 04:06 DeMusliM wrote:
i lost both games, admittedly which is why i gg'd - but i'm not gonna waste my time playing when it's obviously a problem that can't be solved - it's not fun for me, and it's not fun for the spectators seeing a player not perform his best.
Of course you admit to losing the games. We all saw that happen. But did you lose because of lag or because White-Ra countered you. Now that is the question.
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well day9 said that since patch7 (or 8?). sc2 has some memory leak issues which can cause serious lag/freezing of the screen after some playing time (depending on pc it never happens, happens after couple of games or even happens in first game after some time).
maybe just try with a laptop/friends pc. if it is routing it should be present from very first second of the game...
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On April 13 2010 04:09 lolnoty wrote:
No one should accuse Demuslim for faking lag... SC plays might not know him but he has a very good track record in wc3.
Yeah. No one also should accuse Korean progamers of cheating. They are very good in Sc after all.
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do you think i'd really play all day in 2 tournaments, to play vs 2 separate people from the same part of the globe, to lag vs both of them and waste the whole day by forfeiting?
The fact that it's only happened twice, and both games were such important ones - (both with money on the line = important) a semi final of zotac and a final of this, i'm literally pouring with sweat i'm that furious about it.
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so just so we're clear:
white-ra won?
(cause the current game is strelok vs. cantrememberhisnamerightnow)
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or perfect-privacy they have servers all over the world.... dunno if the routing will be better ... but its worth trying
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just got being informed. brainlag is a german noob whos losing now lol
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On April 13 2010 04:11 DeMusliM wrote:
do you think i'd really play all day in 2 tournaments, to play vs 2 separate people from the same part of the globe, to lag vs both of them and waste the whole day by forfeiting?
The fact that it's only happened twice, and both games were such important ones - (both with money on the line = important) a semi final of zotac and a final of this, i'm literally pouring with sweat i'm that furious about it.
If memory serves, Idra forfeited a pretty important game against Nony.
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On April 13 2010 04:11 Squeegy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 04:09 lolnoty wrote:
No one should accuse Demuslim for faking lag... SC plays might not know him but he has a very good track record in wc3. Yeah. No one also should accuse Korean progamers of cheating. They are very good in Sc after all.
yes therefore we should go by guilty until proven innocent nice logic
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On April 13 2010 04:14 lolnoty wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 04:11 Squeegy wrote:On April 13 2010 04:09 lolnoty wrote:
No one should accuse Demuslim for faking lag... SC plays might not know him but he has a very good track record in wc3. Yeah. No one also should accuse Korean progamers of cheating. They are very good in Sc after all. yes therefore we should go by guilty until proven innocent nice logic
Nice logic to you too. I was only pointing the lack of your logic. Not that he is guilty.
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On April 13 2010 04:16 Squeegy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 04:14 lolnoty wrote:On April 13 2010 04:11 Squeegy wrote:On April 13 2010 04:09 lolnoty wrote:
No one should accuse Demuslim for faking lag... SC plays might not know him but he has a very good track record in wc3. Yeah. No one also should accuse Korean progamers of cheating. They are very good in Sc after all. yes therefore we should go by guilty until proven innocent nice logic Nice logic to you too. I was only pointing the lack of your logic. Not that he is guilty.
i don't want to type a few paragraphs about how you are using stupid arguments in a thread where it doesn't matter
basically demuslim has a clean history and is a very mannered and serious player, there is no reason to think he suddenly is attempting to sabotage himself in multiple tournaments
anyone that says so either does not know him from before SC or is just looking to stir up shit
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I seriously doubt Demuslim is making things up, seeing as he has very little gain from it.
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On April 13 2010 04:19 lolnoty wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 04:16 Squeegy wrote:On April 13 2010 04:14 lolnoty wrote:On April 13 2010 04:11 Squeegy wrote:On April 13 2010 04:09 lolnoty wrote:
No one should accuse Demuslim for faking lag... SC plays might not know him but he has a very good track record in wc3. Yeah. No one also should accuse Korean progamers of cheating. They are very good in Sc after all. yes therefore we should go by guilty until proven innocent nice logic Nice logic to you too. I was only pointing the lack of your logic. Not that he is guilty. i don't want to type a few paragraphs about how you are using stupid arguments in a thread where it doesn't matter basically demuslim has a clean history and is a very mannered and serious player, there is no reason to think he suddenly is attempting to sabotage himself in multiple tournaments anyone that says so either does not know him from before SC or is just looking to stir up shit
I don't think you understand. Your argument was stupid. And I pointed out that it was stupid. Didn't have anything to do with Demuslim.
Doesn't seem like a very mannered player to me.
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On April 13 2010 04:07 DeMusliM wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 04:05 YunhOLee wrote:On April 13 2010 04:02 DeMusliM wrote:
Something is wrong with the routing on BNet for me when i play players from Russian/UKR - i don't have any idea what it is or any solution on how to solves it (no LAN play obviously brings problems).
For wc3 BNet (the first version), the UK had similar problems but vs scandinavian countries vs BNet (most of the time players would disconnect) but now it just seems that i'm having troubles with eastern European countries. we could trust you a little bit more, if you would talk about the lag in the first few minutes of the game, but lately.. it's always been after you're losing fights that you talk about the "lag" that you're getting. I tried roughly 5 regames vs Crybaby - and i lagged exactly when the 9th scv popped out, it's exactly the same vs whitera - it's a routing problem.
Then why don't you talk about it as soon as it happens instead of waiting to do a big unit fight that will obviously make you lag even more? -_-
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On April 13 2010 04:22 Squeegy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 04:19 lolnoty wrote:On April 13 2010 04:16 Squeegy wrote:On April 13 2010 04:14 lolnoty wrote:On April 13 2010 04:11 Squeegy wrote:On April 13 2010 04:09 lolnoty wrote:
No one should accuse Demuslim for faking lag... SC plays might not know him but he has a very good track record in wc3. Yeah. No one also should accuse Korean progamers of cheating. They are very good in Sc after all. yes therefore we should go by guilty until proven innocent nice logic Nice logic to you too. I was only pointing the lack of your logic. Not that he is guilty. i don't want to type a few paragraphs about how you are using stupid arguments in a thread where it doesn't matter basically demuslim has a clean history and is a very mannered and serious player, there is no reason to think he suddenly is attempting to sabotage himself in multiple tournaments anyone that says so either does not know him from before SC or is just looking to stir up shit I don't think you understand. Your argument was stupid. And I pointed out that it was stupid. Didn't have anything to do with Demuslim. Doesn't seem like a very mannered player to me.
Look you can PM me if you can't let it go but this isn't a thread for arguing about judicial ideologies.
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Thor drops into double expand into Marauder/tank, nice play by terran.
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if you rewatch the game, as soon as i killed observer (something that requires a flick reaction, like hotkey->scan) i said "lag". The lag starts as i said, 1 minute into the game, it just goes jumpy and chat goes in stints of every 3 secs. I feel my units warping and certain commands don't react.
As for trying to say "lag" at the right time, i think that's abit of a silly argument you're trying to put forward.
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On April 13 2010 04:27 lolnoty wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 04:22 Squeegy wrote:On April 13 2010 04:19 lolnoty wrote:On April 13 2010 04:16 Squeegy wrote:On April 13 2010 04:14 lolnoty wrote:On April 13 2010 04:11 Squeegy wrote:On April 13 2010 04:09 lolnoty wrote:
No one should accuse Demuslim for faking lag... SC plays might not know him but he has a very good track record in wc3. Yeah. No one also should accuse Korean progamers of cheating. They are very good in Sc after all. yes therefore we should go by guilty until proven innocent nice logic Nice logic to you too. I was only pointing the lack of your logic. Not that he is guilty. i don't want to type a few paragraphs about how you are using stupid arguments in a thread where it doesn't matter basically demuslim has a clean history and is a very mannered and serious player, there is no reason to think he suddenly is attempting to sabotage himself in multiple tournaments anyone that says so either does not know him from before SC or is just looking to stir up shit I don't think you understand. Your argument was stupid. And I pointed out that it was stupid. Didn't have anything to do with Demuslim. Doesn't seem like a very mannered player to me. Look you can PM me if you can't let it go but this isn't a thread for arguing about judicial ideologies.
But you were the one who continued and didn't understand. I can let it go. Watch me.
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Disappointing games overall...
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y every game was a rape =(
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I just join the stream what the score for ra vs demuslim ?
EDIT: nvm this isnt ra as terran XD
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Yeah i actually got a free upgrade from one of the people form the site. This made me watch the stream because it is pretty hard to watch without the premium one. It is awesome that i got it for free :D
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On April 13 2010 04:02 DeMusliM wrote:
Something is wrong with the routing on BNet for me when i play players from Russian/UKR - i don't have any idea what it is or any solution on how to solves it (no LAN play obviously brings problems).
For wc3 BNet (the first version), the UK had similar problems but vs scandinavian countries vs BNet (most of the time players would disconnect) but now it just seems that i'm having troubles with eastern European countries.
Edit:
Just to make the lag issue clear - it starts roughly 1 minute into the game, every time - and gradually gets worse - if you play with any kind of lag what so ever it's gonna throw you off but this is pretty much unplayable. - My screen has roughly 7-10 fps - and spikes ridiculously bad - if i chat it will come up with 2-3 chat lines at a time rather than when i actually finish my sentence. Alot of my actions don't even happen.
what about dimaga games? you voiced no complaints there and you've faced him on two occasions.
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actually i've faced him on 3, and yes each time was fine - Ukr is a big place just so you know.
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Wow, Ukrainian trio doing so well. Basicly lost only to each other. Great job guys I will keep cheering for you!
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The only way to clear things up is to watch a DeMusliM's side replay
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On April 13 2010 06:16 Shockzor wrote:The only way to clear things up is to watch a DeMusliM's side replay
what? dont understand this.
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On April 13 2010 06:24 AmstAff wrote:
what? dont understand this.
It is easy to determine, what is the source of a lag: pc/internet or imagination... Just watching how the cursor goes
But obviousely it is not connected to the opponent's location - it just dont matter, because THE PLAYER exchenges his traffic with BNET Servers ONLY. so...
DeMusliM, buy a new hardware, install a fresh windows, check your firewalls/AV, kick your ISP but dont blame "Eastern Europe", oh god, please...
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wow... everyone is bitter -.-;;
lag or no lag.. i'm sure everyone can agree that demuslim is a good player.. else he wouldn't get this far and wouldn't be so consistent... neways, i doubt people forfeit money tourney's for no reason regardless the score... would u guys?
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If he gets repeatable lag which always starts at the same time vs eastern european players, I'd say this is a bug on blizzard's part. I mean why would he lie and forfait, if this happens (and it's possible) what can he do, it's a shitty situation.
And if there are bugs, the location can matter, all Ukranian games are routed through the same server probably and a glitch can occur just there.
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On April 13 2010 06:39 wintergt wrote:
If he gets repeatable lag which always starts at the same time vs eastern european players, I'd say this is a bug on blizzard's part. I mean why would he lie and forfait, if this happens (and it's possible) what can he do, it's a shitty situation.
And if there are bugs, the location can matter, all Ukranian games are routed through the same server probably and a glitch can occur just there.
that would be sad, because blizzard wont get into this :/ a world of electronics (read, internet) is a world where everything is possible, yeah
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The only proper thing is to give DeMusliM the benefit of the doubt, suggesting otherwise is just -pardon my language- a dick move. I hope you manage to work out your issues man, no one likes seeing forfeits.
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On April 13 2010 04:02 DeMusliM wrote:
now it just seems that i'm having troubles with eastern European countries.
On April 13 2010 06:11 DeMusliM wrote:
actually i've faced him on 3, and yes each time was fine - Ukr is a big place just so you know.
But i believe it is located entirely in eastern europe:D
and for the record i didnt even read a thread so there was no ill intent in my question
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No reason why Ben would ever make this up, Known him for years and he's far from a bad loser or an excuse maker, I'm sure of that, other than that the times I was in UK and played on Bnet i seriously thought it was a joke, I'd have a better connection to US servers from my own home than from the uk to euro server, so seeing him having problems in sc II doesnt surprise me, just hope its fixable ;(), tough luck for the finals, but white ra impressive nevertheless, great player <3 but so is Demuslim
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On April 13 2010 06:35 Kibou wrote:
wow... everyone is bitter -.-;;
lag or no lag.. i'm sure everyone can agree that demuslim is a good player.. else he wouldn't get this far and wouldn't be so consistent... neways, i doubt people forfeit money tourney's for no reason regardless the score... would u guys?
Obviously this hasnt anything to do with demuslim but in light of the just uncovered game fixing scandal in progaming this comment is just too ironic to let it slide
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All islands have notoriously bad routing.
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disappointing to hear about the lag, was really looking forward to some good games.
u will get them next time demuslim! i hope.
and you guys need to give him some more credit/respect.
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for what its worth (probably nothing, but meh, I'm in the thread, might as well contribute), I'm another GB player and have noticed massive, borderline unplayable lag in a few games today (to the point where I went to micro a pair of near-full HP colossus out of Hydra fire, only to find that by the time my actions registered, both were dead ¬_¬ ). I've noticed lag issues the past couple of days (haven't been playing the beta long), but today was by far the worst.
Kev
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