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On April 09 2010 02:46 Pekkz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2010 02:18 lorgoth wrote:
Zerg problem is that only option is too mass units, no cool abilitys like - nuke, storm, emps, no possiblilty to go up cliffs (like colosuss, stalkers) so good devense with choke is so hard for z vs p or t.
And cool on paper units like infestors are useless with hp/range/useless spells. The truth. Atleast zerg had some dark swarm and lurker to controll in bw, now there is pretty much nothing that needs to be casted / microed. Its all about getting good posititon.. Terran and protoss has alot to do each fight, zerg is A-move. My suggestion is to remove infested terrans, and give infestor some sort of ability to support your troops, like dark swarm, but in another way. Like buff to dmg or armor or somthing for short time when casted on zerg force. I think this could make them much more interessting.
WTF? A-move that's so wrong it almost becomes right!
zerg units are made of paper now, you cannot engage, you constantly have flank, to dodge and reposition your army else you die
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btw overalls i've to say, nice event 
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scores below
+ Show Spoiler +TLO 2 - 0 Bly
Horror 0 - 2 Kas
Mondragon 1 - 2 White-Ra
Socke 2 - 0 Stelok
HasuObs 0 - 2 DIMAGA
Miou 1 - 2 SnaKE
Socke/pLaGuE 0 - 2 DIMAGA/White-Ra
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TheLittleOne - PM.bly (rvz) 2-0
Horror - Kas (zvp) 0-2
Mondi - WhiteRa (zvp) 1-2
Socke - Strelok (pvt) 2-0
HasuObs - Dimaga (pvz) 0-2
Miou - iP.SnaKE (tvz) 1-2
socke, plaque (p,t)- dimaga, white-ra (z, p) 2-0
ukraine 5-2 germany
just a very epic event, thx all participants
and thx for the first hasuobs-dimaga game, simply awesome
GG
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ohmygod. Whitera vs Mondi
epic
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mondi is such an awesome zerg had to root for him even despite my nationalistic loyalties! he might not be the macro monster that dimaga is but u can see precise calculations and timing behind everything he does unlike dimagas "must.. make.. units.." gamestyle
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watched the reps. Z seems to be pretty fucked atm, the only games where Z won was because they outclassed their opponent (except the one win for mondi against Ra - that was because Ra rightclicked past mondis hydras while macroing, losing his army for nothing). dimaga vs hasuobs game 1 was kinda sad, it was a dead player trying to bait dimaga into wasting all of his units. oh btw, hasu had very poor decision making in those games imo, he went for the exact same strat twice and should have been able to easily kill dimagas expansion with his 10 gate dbl chrono opening. Just pull 4-5 probes and u practically won because either Z cancels the hatch and is very behind or pulls like 9 drones to hold it, which also leaves Z behind by far.
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my optimal team ger would look more like:
TLO
OgerEli
Socke
Spell
Mondi
miou
but well, twas a first try and a nice event
grats ukraine
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On April 09 2010 10:04 Ghardo wrote:
Spell
The former Warcraft 3 player? Didn't know he is playing Starcraft 2 now.
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On April 09 2010 10:04 Ghardo wrote:my optimal team ger would look more like: TLO OgerEli Socke Spell Mondi miou but well, twas a first try and a nice event grats ukraine
I don't know why everyone ignores Goody, atleast he shows some results.
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On April 09 2010 09:04 diehilde wrote:
watched the reps. Z seems to be pretty fucked atm, the only games where Z won was because they outclassed their opponent (except the one win for mondi against Ra - that was because Ra rightclicked past mondis hydras while macroing, losing his army for nothing). dimaga vs hasuobs game 1 was kinda sad, it was a dead player trying to bait dimaga into wasting all of his units. oh btw, hasu had very poor decision making in those games imo, he went for the exact same strat twice and should have been able to easily kill dimagas expansion with his 10 gate dbl chrono opening. Just pull 4-5 probes and u practically won because either Z cancels the hatch and is very behind or pulls like 9 drones to hold it, which also leaves Z behind by far.
totaly agree
that zerg can not do anything agains toss even with double income and all kind of unit with max upgrates, seems like a joke
but it was the best game sofar i saw from this beta
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On April 09 2010 09:04 diehilde wrote:
watched the reps. Z seems to be pretty fucked atm...
lol? horror played very poorly and the fact he blamed his loss on Hydra-nerf was ridiculous: He totally overextended himself with putting up way to many expansions and neglecting to defend them properly etc.
White-ra won becuz he's just better at SC2 than Mondi atm., bedsides - Mondi didn't abuse Zerg-Macro enough and tried to play very aggressive, which is just not the way Zerg is the strongest in SC2
TLO VS Bly was decided even before they started, cuz TLO just so much better than Bly.
All the other games were clearly won by Zerg, because ppl like DIMAGA just know how to abuse Zerg-Macro in SC2 - Just listen to what Socke said about Zerg: He said that zerg has to win by macroing correctly and massing Units.
It's hilarious to call Zerg underpowered now just because of some Minor nerfs when they can get an expansion cancelled early and get several Drones killed and still be ahead in Income 3 Minutes after that. They can also get up expansions much easier and defend them because of extremely fast movement-speed and stuff like the Nydus Worm, which hasn't been used for defensive purposes as of yet. It's also very easy to do sneaky stuff with Zerg and counterattack, but everyone thinks they're too weak as soon as they loose a straight-up Army VS Army-Battle with similar Foodcount. That's just not how Zerg works atm - deal with it. Zerg is still by far the strongest race when the Person playing Zerg can Macro and defend correctly.
Btw: Anyone noticed that basically all the WC3-players chose to harrass /attack when they could either play very aggressive or just expand and all the SC-players chose to expand?
Take every game played by Hasuobs: In all the games he could've built the canons in front of the Nat and take an Expansion, he built them in his main instead and chose to VR-harrass both of the games, which is essentially a waste of ressources if it doesn't do major DMG. It's kinda funny to see how different the playstyles are but atm I think going the Macro-route is just much safer, because it's rather easy to defend against harrassment when you scout and react properly.
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On April 09 2010 18:28 Maenander wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2010 10:04 Ghardo wrote:my optimal team ger would look more like: TLO OgerEli Socke Spell Mondi miou but well, twas a first try and a nice event grats ukraine I don't know why everyone ignores Goody, atleast he shows some results.
nothing against goody. i kind of like him, however in bw he was someone who always played mass games but never managed to break through to the absolute top players. it's just that his ability to be one of the very best seems(seemed) doubtful. maybe sc2 suits him better mechanic-wise and he will stay on top, let's see.
On April 09 2010 14:40 Lucumo wrote:The former Warcraft 3 player? Didn't know he is playing Starcraft 2 now.
yup. and i think he is a force to be reckoned with. verry talented player from the old wc3 days. http://www.mousesports.com/en/news/9090/
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+ Show Spoiler + My god, LT game between Dimaga and Hasuobs was the worst PvZ i've seen so far in Sc2, HasuObs never got out of his base until the 50 minute mark or something, all he did was running back and forth for nearly 45 minutes.
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