I thought this was kind of normal? I have been doing something very similar to this for awhile for splits. I did not know it was done very differently. It is may not been the most effective, but for players of my lower skill level, it is simple and easy and seems to work relatively well.

CecilSunkure

United States2829 Posts

August 26 2011 04:35 GMT

#22

Yeah I also messed with this in that game. However it's only good if the banes come from one direction, and even then it cannot be as efficient as simple good conventional splitting.

Asmodeusz

193 Posts

August 26 2011 04:35 GMT

#23

Mixing patrol and move commands is still the most effective tho

dynwar7

1983 Posts

August 26 2011 04:37 GMT

#24

So to get this straight:

all you need to do is a-move?

This is awesome, but some ppl say the patrol is better than this, in what ways if I may ask?

Just tried this, got to 13. Used patrol got to 17. Can someone explain how patrol move works better than this? Dont the marines essentially do the same thing? run , and when there are blings nearby, shoot? Then shouldnt patrol and a-move be the same?

Makura

United States317 Posts

August 26 2011 04:46 GMT

#25

very awesome, i was a bit confused from just reading it, i first thought u just attacked into it and hoped to kill it faster than it hit you

love to see people discovering new ways to play, especially at a manageable level for the masses

phaleos

Australia105 Posts

August 26 2011 05:18 GMT

#26

This technique is useless compared to the proper marine split because with proper marine split, majority of your marines will be firing, when you do that method, the majority of the marine is running is away and only the group you leave behind is firing. Maybe this will work against zergs at diamond level or below, but otherwise it's pretty much useless.

Imagine if zerg has baneling and 15ish mutalisk (which is standard), the marines that are running away will just die

Warpath

Canada1242 Posts

August 26 2011 05:20 GMT

#27

I don't know how effective this really is compared to normal splits. The video had the zerg attacking into a sieged terran army of equal supply at a weird angle...

It's still a better idea to actually spread the marines in hope of making the banes spend more time traveling from target to target, giving you more of an opportunity to gun them down as opposed to trading.

godulous

United States337 Posts

August 26 2011 05:25 GMT

#28

On August 26 2011 14:18 phaleos wrote:
This technique is useless compared to the proper marine split because with proper marine split, majority of your marines will be firing, when you do that method, the majority of the marine is running is away and only the group you leave behind is firing. Maybe this will work against zergs at diamond level or below, but otherwise it's pretty much useless.

Imagine if zerg has baneling and 15ish mutalisk (which is standard), the marines that are running away will just die

The zerg did have about a dozen mutalisks in the video. Either way, I agree it's not much use for masters/GM level play where obviously players have the skill/apm required to execute much more effective and complex micro. This guide is targeted more at lower league play where players may not be able to handle doing higher intensity micro yet. This works significantly better than just blindly a-moving with no goal.

(edit: added a clarification to the OP to that effect)

Thanks for all the feedback though, glad to know some people found it useful.

Teddyjex

Canada35 Posts

August 26 2011 05:30 GMT

#29

Indeed, when the banelings are accompanied by speedlings this method is rendered useless as the high speed of the speedlings will cause most or all of the retreating marines to stop and fire, setting them up perfectly for Baneling attacks.

In the video provided, baneling numbers were diminished by tank fire/exploding on tanks which helped prevent the mass destruction of the marine force. It does show, however, that a large portion of that force was stopped by the lings attacking as I described above.

I feel the risk vs reward of this maneuver may not be worth it. As you have stated though, it may be worth a shot in lower leagues where attacks are less coordinated.

tuestresfat

2555 Posts

August 26 2011 05:34 GMT

#30

definitely a lot more noob friendly for non-terran uses =]

thanks for sharing!

phiinix

United States1169 Posts

August 26 2011 08:04 GMT

#31

That was actually my first "approach" to the marine split challenge as I was looking for a method that would be viable in game. It can be a bit tricky to execute in game, and 1 misstep kills you, but hey, that's the nature of the baneling anyhow. I try to manually split into 2-3 large groups, and then do the attack fan, which works decently. Nice vid

dynwar7

1983 Posts

August 26 2011 09:55 GMT

#32

Can someone tell me, what makes patrol and a move different? Sorry I am a low level player, but would like to know, isnt a move essentially the same as patrol? Marines run, the ones closer to blings shoot and the rest run away?

Himself

Ireland14 Posts

August 26 2011 18:52 GMT

#33

very helpful guide mate!
really helping me split my marines, instead of my standard splitting into two slighly small groups :D

Shadyf0o

63 Posts

August 26 2011 20:42 GMT

#34

I actually thought to try this in the marine split challenge; tried it, but when it didn't work the first time i figured there was a reason everyone uses patrol moves. Should have looked into more haha.

JiYan

United States3668 Posts

August 26 2011 20:45 GMT

#35

very nice for low level terrans getting introduced to marine splitting

4Servy

Netherlands1542 Posts

August 26 2011 20:56 GMT

#36

thats my technique just keep amoving backwards and dodge when possible
problems are flanking lings they will screw you over.

Nivoh

Norway259 Posts

August 26 2011 20:59 GMT

#37

Isn't it better using patrol rather than attack?

Himself

Ireland14 Posts

August 26 2011 21:31 GMT

#38

On August 27 2011 05:59 Nivoh wrote:
Isn't it better using patrol rather than attack?

if you use patrol, wont your marins end up back towards the banelings if you dont update the waypoint?

I think this is better as you can adjust the line your marines are taking as you go.