[Spoiler] Ret's quote - Page 11

On December 07 2010 17:10 futility wrote:
He's exaggerating. If a terran feigns pressure then drops a CC then yeah, you'll be economically behind if you don't bother reacting. That's exactly why they do it. You won't stay behind for long once you realize Terran can't pressure you though.

No one really wanted to see Nestea lose to a bunch of all ins but Rain was just playing the odds and they came out in his favor. It's hard to blame him but this post from Ret came off more as whining to me than anything.

On January 18 2011 19:52 Ultramus wrote:
For those people seeing top zerg's going 14 14 instead of hatch first it isn't because hatch first isn't the best vs 2 rax, it's that they either don't anticipate 2 rax or that they anticipate their hatch being blocked by an E-bay.

As we saw at the EG master's cup QXC vs Idra, Idra laid down the hatch at the ramp expecting 2 rax.

14 14 is a great build because you NEED speed as fast as possible, it just lacks the larva necessary to defend a 2rax. And if the terran is teching or expanding then you want speed to pressure the FE, or gas to begin your own tech.

I think possibly more than that is that even if going hatch first can be best vs 2rax ideally, it could incur more losses if you defend incorrectly, so they may be using the theoretically worse build which has more consistent losses. That's a convoluted explanation, easier to say if you go hatch first, the range of drone losses is 1-5, but speed has a range of 2-3(these numbers are made up BTW)

Or it could be that with the ghost worker patch they feel that with speedlings and drones they can defend effectively.