• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 00:10
CEST 06:10
KST 13:10
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Progenitors7Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun13[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists22
Community News
Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple0RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event11Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results12026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers25Maestros of the Game 2 announced9
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) 2026 GSL Season 2 Qualifiers Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $1,400 SEL Season 3 Ladder Invitational
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 524 Death and Taxes The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 523 Firewall Mutation # 522 Flip My Base
Brood War
General
[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Progenitors ASL21 General Discussion Why there arent any 256x256 pro maps? BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro8 Day 3 [ASL21] Ro8 Day 4 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro8 Day 2
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Dawn of War IV Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread OutLive 25 (RTS Game) Daigo vs Menard Best of 10 Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread 3D technology/software discussion Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Movie Stars In Video Games: …
TrAiDoS
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1600 users

Nal_rA v HwaSin[s.sir]luna - Page 2

Forum Index > Replays
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 All
HowitZer
Profile Joined February 2003
United States1610 Posts
January 14 2005 14:01 GMT
#21
or he can scan ra's expo before moving in to it :o i think he underestimated temp's power...


the terran tried to snipe the temps with vults but i think some were hidden in shuttles so he didn't account for those. Also it seemed like the t was being super aggresive towards the end but nalra just took it in stride and used it to his own advantage.
Human teleportation, molecular decimation, breakdown and reformation is inherently purging. It makes a man acute.
J1
Profile Joined December 2004
Canada579 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-01-14 15:15:42
January 14 2005 14:20 GMT
#22
i think the reason why HwaSin[s.sir] lost is because he tried to play overly aggresive without preconception.
Playing games in the ways of the DIAO...
EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22259 Posts
January 14 2005 18:52 GMT
#23
The ending pissed me off... It felt like HwaSin losing, not rA winning.
Moderatorhttp://carbonleaf.yuku.com/topic/408/t/So-I-proposed-at-a-Carbon-Leaf-concert.html ***** RIP Geoff
Regentropfen
Profile Joined July 2004
Germany277 Posts
January 14 2005 22:01 GMT
#24
ne1 noticed the terran (accidently i think) upgraded air weapon instead of ground?
War is not about whos right, its about whos left
Sir Alex
Profile Joined March 2004
United States159 Posts
January 15 2005 00:54 GMT
#25
On January 15 2005 07:01 Regentropfen wrote:
ne1 noticed the terran (accidently i think) upgraded air weapon instead of ground?


Yeah, I've been seeing that surprisingly often in replays lately. This game, Pride's RWA of LindsayLohan vs Sabbath, and a couple others I can't remember... never saw it before a little bit ago, so I thought it might be a display error just for me. Guess it's just coincidence though. A shame, too, having an extra upgrade might've really helped Hwasin swing things around.
evanthebouncy
Profile Joined November 2004
China491 Posts
January 15 2005 12:24 GMT
#26
On January 15 2005 03:52 EvilTeletubby wrote:
The ending pissed me off... It felt like HwaSin losing, not rA winning.

hehe, the ending they where trying to cut down each others mining and ra's carrier is amazing, c how his DT slice the cc half to death and gol showed up killed DTs and 4 carrier pop out of nowhere killed the cc :D
BOINK BOINK! Recursively defined
GroT
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Belgium3003 Posts
January 15 2005 13:18 GMT
#27
On January 14 2005 11:56 MPXMX wrote:
At the end of this replay I was literally laughing with joy...

What a fabulous game! It's also interesting to note that Nal_ra's APM was below 200 in both games and hwasin's is inflated with 46% hotkey ... He's trying to do things too quickly, as you can see his macro is good but his supply placement is sloppy (which matters) and he had many idle scvs. He's concentrating on mechanical speed more than strategy. An unfortunate circumstance for Hwasin was either his neglect or just miscalculation of income and production ability - after annihilating Nal_ra's first army, and pushing into the natural, Hwasin had about 2k of both mins and gas, although he did not stop production. I believe someone like Oov would have planned ahead by building more factories or getting more expos and would be maxing out at 200/200 at that time instead of watching his funds increase.

WIth that said, it was a masterpiece of gaming


hm I disagree, every gamer with more than 300 apm has 40% hotkey regularly, and supply placement doesn't matte in my opinion
DANCE ALL DAY
GroT
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Belgium3003 Posts
January 15 2005 13:19 GMT
#28
the difference in apm and hotkey is more because nal ra plays protoss and hwasin plays terran
DANCE ALL DAY
MPXMX
Profile Joined December 2002
Canada4309 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-01-15 13:54:32
January 15 2005 13:51 GMT
#29
He's below 300 and above 40% so your argument is flawed Supply placement is just one example of sloppy play... others include not makign enough factories, researching air instead of ground armory upgrade and of course the encounters with the templars...From what I've seen most Terran pros are above 300 by a fair margin and close to 40% in hotkey percentage.

By the way I wasn't really comparing their APMs. It was just interesting to see that Nal_ra plays INCREDIBLE pro level protoss with <200 apm, while, say, NoNy (not to diss or anything ) played at over 200 at a significantly lower level a year or so ago. I'm not 100% certain about the NoNy comment but I believe he said his apm was 200+ when nGi first opened...
Prev 1 2 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
PiGosaur Cup #76
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RuFF_SC2 192
Nina 0
StarCraft: Brood War
JulyZerg 158
910 54
NaDa 53
Noble 23
Bale 11
Icarus 5
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm127
League of Legends
JimRising 741
Counter-Strike
Coldzera 1096
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox2280
Mew2King48
Other Games
summit1g7610
C9.Mang0509
WinterStarcraft348
monkeys_forever285
Maynarde131
ViBE19
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1002
BasetradeTV453
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream58
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• practicex 22
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki22
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo883
• Rush745
• Stunt346
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5h 51m
Afreeca Starleague
5h 51m
Snow vs Flash
WardiTV Invitational
6h 51m
SHIN vs Nicoract
Solar vs Nice
PiGosaur Cup
19h 51m
GSL
1d 5h
Classic vs Cure
Maru vs Rogue
GSL
2 days
SHIN vs Zoun
ByuN vs herO
OSC
2 days
OSC
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Escore
3 days
[ Show More ]
The PondCast
3 days
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
Zoun vs Ryung
Lambo vs ShoWTimE
OSC
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
SHIN vs Bunny
ByuN vs Shameless
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
Krystianer vs TriGGeR
Cure vs Rogue
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
4 days
BSL
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Cure vs Zoun
Clem vs Lambo
WardiTV Invitational
5 days
BSL
5 days
GSL
6 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-05-02
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
SCTL 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026

Upcoming

YSL S3
Escore Tournament S2: W6
KK 2v2 League Season 1
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
Escore Tournament S2: W7
Escore Tournament S2: W8
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.