• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 04:33
CEST 10:33
KST 17:33
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Aug 3-9): Protoss get shut out, overreactions imminent?0RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-2212Weekly Cups (July 27-Aug 2): SHIN's big week0SC4ALL II: Brood War - $2500 - Dec 5-69SC4ALL II announced - $10,000 prize pool, Dec 5-64
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Aug 3-9): Protoss get shut out, overreactions imminent? SC4ALL: II Talent Announcement! Protoss AoE skill expression August World Ranking: Clem climbs to #2 Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16)
Tourneys
RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) Tasteless Time Warp: SC Evo Showmatch (May 25)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 538 Media Blackout The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 537 Hostile Territory Mutation # 536 Railroad Switch
Brood War
General
ASL22 General Discussion Are you ready for ASL 22? NEW HYPE VIDEO BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ How FlaSh Nearly Forfeited MSL Finals being late BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues 2v2v2v2 Tournament KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3 Escore Tournament - Season 3
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Any training maps people recommend? Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread EVE Corporation Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Diablo 2 thread
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Iain M Banks Says He Has Cancer And Months To Live European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread NBA General Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
Are High-Level Gamers more A…
TrAiDoS
Cathedral Of CS And NY pizza a…
FuDDx
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
Hello guys!
LIN1s
ASL S22 English Commentary…
namkraft
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 3789 users

Nal_rA v HwaSin[s.sir]luna - Page 2

Forum Index > Replays
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 All
HowitZer
Profile Joined February 2003
United States1610 Posts
January 14 2005 14:01 GMT
#21
or he can scan ra's expo before moving in to it :o i think he underestimated temp's power...


the terran tried to snipe the temps with vults but i think some were hidden in shuttles so he didn't account for those. Also it seemed like the t was being super aggresive towards the end but nalra just took it in stride and used it to his own advantage.
Human teleportation, molecular decimation, breakdown and reformation is inherently purging. It makes a man acute.
J1
Profile Joined December 2004
Canada579 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-01-14 15:15:42
January 14 2005 14:20 GMT
#22
i think the reason why HwaSin[s.sir] lost is because he tried to play overly aggresive without preconception.
Playing games in the ways of the DIAO...
EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22260 Posts
January 14 2005 18:52 GMT
#23
The ending pissed me off... It felt like HwaSin losing, not rA winning.
Moderatorhttp://carbonleaf.yuku.com/topic/408/t/So-I-proposed-at-a-Carbon-Leaf-concert.html ***** RIP Geoff
Regentropfen
Profile Joined July 2004
Germany277 Posts
January 14 2005 22:01 GMT
#24
ne1 noticed the terran (accidently i think) upgraded air weapon instead of ground?
War is not about whos right, its about whos left
Sir Alex
Profile Joined March 2004
United States159 Posts
January 15 2005 00:54 GMT
#25
On January 15 2005 07:01 Regentropfen wrote:
ne1 noticed the terran (accidently i think) upgraded air weapon instead of ground?


Yeah, I've been seeing that surprisingly often in replays lately. This game, Pride's RWA of LindsayLohan vs Sabbath, and a couple others I can't remember... never saw it before a little bit ago, so I thought it might be a display error just for me. Guess it's just coincidence though. A shame, too, having an extra upgrade might've really helped Hwasin swing things around.
evanthebouncy
Profile Joined November 2004
China491 Posts
January 15 2005 12:24 GMT
#26
On January 15 2005 03:52 EvilTeletubby wrote:
The ending pissed me off... It felt like HwaSin losing, not rA winning.

hehe, the ending they where trying to cut down each others mining and ra's carrier is amazing, c how his DT slice the cc half to death and gol showed up killed DTs and 4 carrier pop out of nowhere killed the cc :D
BOINK BOINK! Recursively defined
GroT
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Belgium3003 Posts
January 15 2005 13:18 GMT
#27
On January 14 2005 11:56 MPXMX wrote:
At the end of this replay I was literally laughing with joy...

What a fabulous game! It's also interesting to note that Nal_ra's APM was below 200 in both games and hwasin's is inflated with 46% hotkey ... He's trying to do things too quickly, as you can see his macro is good but his supply placement is sloppy (which matters) and he had many idle scvs. He's concentrating on mechanical speed more than strategy. An unfortunate circumstance for Hwasin was either his neglect or just miscalculation of income and production ability - after annihilating Nal_ra's first army, and pushing into the natural, Hwasin had about 2k of both mins and gas, although he did not stop production. I believe someone like Oov would have planned ahead by building more factories or getting more expos and would be maxing out at 200/200 at that time instead of watching his funds increase.

WIth that said, it was a masterpiece of gaming


hm I disagree, every gamer with more than 300 apm has 40% hotkey regularly, and supply placement doesn't matte in my opinion
DANCE ALL DAY
GroT
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Belgium3003 Posts
January 15 2005 13:19 GMT
#28
the difference in apm and hotkey is more because nal ra plays protoss and hwasin plays terran
DANCE ALL DAY
MPXMX
Profile Joined December 2002
Canada4309 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-01-15 13:54:32
January 15 2005 13:51 GMT
#29
He's below 300 and above 40% so your argument is flawed Supply placement is just one example of sloppy play... others include not makign enough factories, researching air instead of ground armory upgrade and of course the encounters with the templars...From what I've seen most Terran pros are above 300 by a fair margin and close to 40% in hotkey percentage.

By the way I wasn't really comparing their APMs. It was just interesting to see that Nal_ra plays INCREDIBLE pro level protoss with <200 apm, while, say, NoNy (not to diss or anything ) played at over 200 at a significantly lower level a year or so ago. I'm not 100% certain about the NoNy comment but I believe he said his apm was 200+ when nGi first opened...
Prev 1 2 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 27m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft511
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 4504
Hyuk 677
firebathero 554
Larva 208
Free 153
Killer 106
Dewaltoss 84
EffOrt 76
Barracks 52
ggaemo 48
[ Show more ]
JulyZerg 33
Dota 2
XBOCT1349
febbydoto23
League of Legends
JimRising 464
Counter-Strike
olofmeister711
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King114
Other Games
singsing881
ceh9503
Happy259
Sick148
amsayoshi50
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick521
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 8
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 17
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2200
League of Legends
• Stunt543
• HappyZerGling114
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1h 27m
PiG Sty Festival
3h 27m
PiGosaur Cup
15h 27m
Replay Cast
1d
Kung Fu Cup
1d 2h
Replay Cast
1d 15h
The PondCast
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Escore
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
Rush vs Hm
Bisu vs Shuttle
WardiTV Weekly
6 days
The Patches Monday
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-08-10
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
Acropolis #5
RSL Revival: Season 6
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W7
CSLAN 4
ASL Season 22
Escore Tournament S3: W8
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSA
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
META DYMY #4
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Thunderpick World Champ.
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.