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On a semi-related note, & just plain common sense.
There's times where you don't play yourself so you say you play badly.
Then there's times you play your average game and you shouldn't say anything.
Your average game should be among your best games though so it shouldn't be something excusable.
i.e. I played extremely badly vs Sen in that showmatch I got crushed and that certainly wasn't my average game. However I played my average game against Draco in PGL when I got both outsmarted and outplayed.
The only thing is, it may be the truth, but it comes off to others as a bad sport. However almost any honest person in that position if asked would say the same if they felt it were true.
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ahh well sometimes you lose a game and think "i did everything i could" and sometimes you lose a game and think "i made a lot more mistakes than usual" ... sometimes players make intelligent decisions and one just comes up short and other times a player makes plainly incorrect decisions ... if you agree with me that there are these different kinds of games, and different kinds of losses, then in this case, im just saying it was one kind of loss and not the other. no disrespect to mondragon and im not implying that if i "play my best" that i'd automatically win.
maybe i've made a lot of these comments but i guess it's because i have horrible consistency. most of my losses fall into the category of "i made a lot more mistakes than usual" rather than "i did all i could and my opponent did something better". in my opinion, the only reason i've won more things and gotten more famous and recognized as a good player recently, is because i've improved my consistency. my micro, macro, multitask and strategy in my best games nowadays are not that much better than my best games from over a year ago. it's just that now im much more consistent and have been able to do my best when im in a "must-win" situation. so that has been my perspective for a long time, to improve consistency, and there is no foreigner to look up to better than mondragon in that respect ^.^ nobody has a bad game vs mondragon and wins
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On April 04 2008 11:23 Hot_Bid wrote:
Every single truly competitive player, when they lose, believes they could have played better. Its the mark of someone who truly believes in himself and thinks he can win. Saying "I played badly" or "I can play better" is far different a reason for losing than "my hands were cold" or "it was laggy." One of these reasons put the blame and ability to affect change squarely in the players' hands; the other puts the loss on external factors that the player has no control over.
In a way, saying "I played badly" is the antithesis of excuse--it's assuming and internalizing more responsibility. What do you expect him to say, "I played my absolute greatest and there's no way I can beat Mondragon no matter how hard I try."
I'd much rather players believe they could beat each other than admit they have no chance.
No remark is every really innocent, it is often suggestive.
Even if he meant it in a benign sense, his comment still has implications. By publicly making a statement, one could argue that he has the intent of being suggestive.
It was far from improper, but it is no singular incident. I stand by my views.
Similarly my comment could be misconstrued, though it is merely an observation and a emotional response to his words. However by responding in a public forum, you could say I'm being suggestive.
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joohyunee
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On April 04 2008 02:43 iCCup.Raelcun wrote:I got in my own questions! + Show Spoiler +
LOL I ASKED HIM THE SAME QUESTION TODAY
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On April 04 2008 11:43 NonY[rC] wrote:
blah blah no disrespect to mondragon blah blah micro, macro, multitask and strategy blah blah
That's nice and all but us, the public, would like more replays prz!
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Nony vs Mondragon MOTC Finals
rooting for nony, the underdog here
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On April 04 2008 12:09 joohyunee wrote:LOL I ASKED HIM THE SAME QUESTION TODAY
yeah but did you get an answer? LOL he was pretty active in the channel today and kinda funny especially when he was making fun of Testie for not gaming yet
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Testie are you playing in this ladder?
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anyone check his profile? like 90% of his games are zvsz T_T
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I always felt saying something like "he did not let up" carries just as much implications of "damn, I got cut to pieces -.-" even if you state earlier disappointing play as it does "aaah, I could take him if I didn't screw XYZ* up".
Mondragon looks on form and angry, so this will be an exciting event all around.
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I made mistakes is not a bad thing, Firstprobe you are overly critical.
Of course he played lesser than his "peak". He had reavers shagging themselves without moving around and stuff. Mistakes happen, people screw up and what he meant was exactly what he said, he "made a lot more mistakes than usual". Stop being so judgemental on him : /. He didn't mean to diss Mondragon (a person who has obviously accomplished a lot more), he just felt pretty dumb that a game he lost because he played worse than what he usually does was posted and gets so many downloads. That's being human. He's got every right to defend himself. And he's pretty hawt on rankings so gogo nony <3.
And why is Testie not playing in this ladder?!!!
On April 04 2008 16:00 We Are Here wrote:
anyone check his profile? like 90% of his games are zvsz T_T
How does one check the profile?
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ermm you click on their name, it links you to their personal profile, then click on gaming profile(near the top)
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Nice interview. Thanks alot.
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Mondragon cannot be beaten by Protoss Best of 5 @ anyone who is looking forward to a final of Mondragon vs P :D
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On April 04 2008 19:14 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Mondragon cannot be beaten by Protoss Best of 5 @ anyone who is looking forward to a final of Mondragon vs P :D
Draco perhaps?
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people can't handle the truth! i rather hear an honest opinion than some bs.
anyways, just enjoy the replay :p
nony beats A2 in motc
so Nony vs Mondragon grandfinal for motc tournament.
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Mondragon is a cool dude, last time i saw one of his replays must have been 2 years ago. I remember him being one of those amazing gamesense type of players.
Thx for the interview!
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On April 04 2008 19:35 Elsi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2008 19:14 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Mondragon cannot be beaten by Protoss Best of 5 @ anyone who is looking forward to a final of Mondragon vs P :D Draco perhaps?
Maybe when he was at his best, i really doubt he could do it now. I saw some of his PvZ's from TSL and while he did beat the players it was nothing amazing, unless you play amazing you're not gonna beat Mondragon in a BO5.
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Nony is 52% hotkeys in the replay Mondragon gave Oo
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EPT![[image loading]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v98/Koyiro/mondie2.jpg)
