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What do you think of the OSL Round of 24?

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jkillashark
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States5262 Posts
January 24 2007 16:29 GMT
#1
So we're in the 3rd season of Shinhan and the 3rd OSL since they've introduced the Round of 24. What do you guys think? Is there an exacerbating amount of games played? Are the games losing their meaning because the loss of spontaneity?

Personally I think it's just way too much of a hassle. Less is more. Too much of a hassle to cover news wise.
Do your best, God will do the rest.
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17743 Posts
January 24 2007 17:16 GMT
#2
I really like it. It makes alot of good games. Like Savior vs. Midas and good hyped matches like Casy vs. July.

Oh but i get what you mean by covering it can be harder and more work.
ils
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
January 24 2007 17:31 GMT
#3
Thing about the Ro24 is that many rookies get in, that simply shouldnt
thus you get really soft groups with jack all skill/qualiy games.. which sucks..
Also the wildcard system basicly ENSURES that you'll get through.. two thirds of the original contestants get through, and those 8 are usually the crappy ones that SHOULDNT have been there in the first place ;;

Just go back to less players, 4 groups of 4.. and start another torny up... gogo
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Addicted`To`Zerg
Profile Joined August 2004
Bulgaria1353 Posts
January 24 2007 17:54 GMT
#4
"I come to TL, but I don't follow OSL"
lol @ this one.
GiveUp
Profile Joined October 2006
Netherlands91 Posts
January 24 2007 18:22 GMT
#5
i think its good...
becuz there will be more players with more chances
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LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
January 24 2007 18:48 GMT
#6
It would be better if racial distribtuion was even (17)


Yes, I demand more gringos
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Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
January 24 2007 19:18 GMT
#7
It sucked when it seemed like every player in Ro8 up was Terran. Or when Anytime and Much were only Tosses (I think it was that.. could be some other tosses). So I'm going with more diversity.
Their are four errors in this sentance.
Wasabi
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States3085 Posts
January 24 2007 23:12 GMT
#8
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SCNewb
Profile Joined June 2006
Canada2210 Posts
January 25 2007 00:56 GMT
#9
more the merrier
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Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20665 Posts
January 25 2007 01:12 GMT
#10
yes! bring affirmative action to OSL!

>< I actually liked Hero Toss OSL where the one protoss got 3rd place XD
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azndsh
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4447 Posts
January 25 2007 01:55 GMT
#11
The round of 24 just adds more games, but not many good games
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
January 25 2007 02:35 GMT
#12
The staff hates it because of the sheer game count.
Fans love it because it's games.

Me? I like watching any games with significance. I do skip a lot of games recently due to obligations with other things... but whenver pokering is going on and OSL is on...
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Leath
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Canada1724 Posts
January 25 2007 02:47 GMT
#13
Less is more, Less is more...
With Chamin® Ultra, LESS IS MORE!!!!!!!

But in OSL, the more the merrier
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useLess
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4781 Posts
January 25 2007 03:54 GMT
#14
I like it. More the merrier, etc, but it also gives the weaker players slightly more chance to advance, and likewise increase the chance for a strong player to fall. And who knows, maybe with more games there will come more great games.
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Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
January 25 2007 04:37 GMT
#15
I like more. Opens up the possibilities for crazy shit happening and upsets.

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Train_Wreck
Profile Joined January 2007
United States15 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-25 04:58:32
January 25 2007 04:53 GMT
#16
Hmmm I agree it is kinda boring and I also agree that it would suck to cover it in the news....But it's cool that they give 'rookies' a chance what if you actually got a few talented people in there....I voted more the merrier because of this
ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
January 25 2007 05:04 GMT
#17
It's all about the race balance. If it's a balanced tournament, I could watch as many rounds as they've got.

But if it's a T/Z fest, the 24 man tournament makes me want to cry, because I'm basically just waiting it out anyway.
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PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
January 25 2007 06:07 GMT
#18
I don't really care about how many games there are, but I hate the actual format. I mean if you go 1-2 during group stages, you still have at least (except in one very specific situation that doesn't happen very often anyway) a 2/3 chance to go through?

16 out of 24 is just BS.
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Pressure
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
7326 Posts
January 25 2007 06:31 GMT
#19
fun, but no p's
Purind
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Canada3562 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-25 08:34:39
January 25 2007 08:33 GMT
#20
I don't mind it. It's pretty good, but I just don't like how they don't play the series all at once (ie. they play game 1's on one day, then another set of game 1's the next day, then a set of game 2's the next day and so on). It's hard to keep track of all these games, and the scores and all that. I understand why they don't do that, as it might be unfair for say... the people who have to play the series on the last Friday, then get 3-4 days to prepare for their next games, whereas other people who play their games the first Friday get almost 2 weeks to prepare, but for the fans, it just kills any sort of excitement seeing the games played so far apart.

Well, I guess with a 8 player playoff, this'll be alot easier to keep track of.
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Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6657 Posts
January 25 2007 08:46 GMT
#21
I'm running out of hardrive. Each OSL use to be around 8~10 gigs, but now it's almost doubled... about 15 gigs... T_T

Plus 12 games of OSL plus 4 games of MSL is too much!
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Arcanis_Li
Profile Joined December 2006
United States37 Posts
January 25 2007 10:13 GMT
#22
Mirror matches can ba entertaining, but too much of them is just lol. Voted for diversity.
Polemarch
Profile Joined August 2005
Canada1564 Posts
January 25 2007 10:46 GMT
#23
voted even racial distribution... but also the more the merrier

i like the group format because we see more bo1s with different players being matched up

but i think they might as well have gone to 32 players, and make groups of 4 with top two advancing... it'd be pretty close to the number of games now anyway (with the 3rd place wildcards, although i didn't calculate), and the group stage games would be more important and more exciting.
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ZaplinG
Profile Blog Joined February 2005
United States3818 Posts
January 25 2007 10:59 GMT
#24
Just highlight the anticipated matches, I think
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mikeymoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada7170 Posts
January 25 2007 12:57 GMT
#25
Racial distribution? Too many Koreans

But seriously. It would be nice to watch the mu's equally.
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[CS]Pablo
Profile Joined September 2002
Brazil338 Posts
January 25 2007 17:16 GMT
#26
On January 25 2007 03:48 LemOn wrote:
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It would be better if racial distribtuion was even (17)


Yes, I demand more gringos


LOL
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Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27174 Posts
January 25 2007 20:13 GMT
#27
I agree with pop that is it bullshit that 1-2 players make it to the playoffs. It just means the round of 24 isnt worth anything.

It also sucks that there are so many games. It is really a chore to stay on top of these tournaments now. I guess it is easier for the casual fan if you just watch your favorite gamer, but to follow everything is almost a full time job.

As I have said before, either a better 24 man format (even 32 man with top two moving on) or go back to 16. Personally, one playday a week per tournament is enough for me. It would also open up the proleague more for coverage.
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jkillashark
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States5262 Posts
January 26 2007 01:41 GMT
#28
On January 25 2007 17:46 Live2Win wrote:
I'm running out of hardrive. Each OSL use to be around 8~10 gigs, but now it's almost doubled... about 15 gigs... T_T

Plus 12 games of OSL plus 4 games of MSL is too much!


Now I just download starting from the Sweet 16 unless there's an amazing game in the Round of 24.
Do your best, God will do the rest.
MyTHicaL
Profile Joined November 2005
France1070 Posts
January 26 2007 02:31 GMT
#29
would be nice to see some more tosses x);:
Overlord
Profile Joined May 2003
Romania651 Posts
January 26 2007 06:10 GMT
#30
Less is more man. I felt the same with the UEFA Champions League and the FIFA World Cup, when they did the same thing to them.
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[Carlodajin]
Profile Joined January 2007
Peru306 Posts
January 26 2007 06:18 GMT
#31
I always love seeing the Korean Progamers matches...so I like it "the more the merrier"...
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Vin{MBL}
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
5185 Posts
January 26 2007 09:27 GMT
#32
the more the merrier
jkillashark
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States5262 Posts
January 26 2007 13:37 GMT
#33
Hmmm I'm very surprised by the poll results actually. TL has always taken pride in quality over quantity. We all know how GG.net loves quantity and um... yeah. I very much prefer high quality games that are few rather than dozens of games with noname rookies getting trashed or playing each other.
Do your best, God will do the rest.
red.venom
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4651 Posts
January 27 2007 01:28 GMT
#34
I should say that I love Starcraft as a spectator. Its almost more fun than playing to me.

But with the maps and some of the match ups(Like having a week of mostly TvT or something) I find it kinda hard to really look forward to anything but the most hyped of matches.

Between OSL, MSL, Proleague and the far too often Super Fights im finding that I dont pay attention to the qualifier leagues at all anymore and I will often skip a week of MSL or OSL if none of my fav players are playing or its all mirrors. And I consider myself MAD hardcore about watching this shit, hardcore enough to consider ordering the Korean pack for Dish network so I can tivo OSL. Hardcore enough to stay up until 5am to watch the games on a semi-often basis.

But if im finding my interest moderately waning... I wonder what a casual fan of the game is going to be like.
Broom
red.venom
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4651 Posts
January 27 2007 02:16 GMT
#35
On January 26 2007 05:13 Manifesto7 wrote:
As I have said before, either a better 24 man format (even 32 man with top two moving on) or go back to 16. Personally, one playday a week per tournament is enough for me. It would also open up the proleague more for coverage.


Definitely think old format with 32 players would be a really good balance between being able to feature more star players along with some new ones and keeping the match count down.
Broom
Yogurt
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States4258 Posts
January 27 2007 08:23 GMT
#36
i think less is more

i don't have time to follow all these reports and the games kind of lose their "specialness"

mlb compared to the nfl
ok dont not so good something is something ok ok ok gogogo
jkillashark
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States5262 Posts
January 27 2007 13:42 GMT
#37
On January 27 2007 17:23 Yogurt wrote:
i think less is more

i don't have time to follow all these reports and the games kind of lose their "specialness"

mlb compared to the nfl


GOOD analogy.
Do your best, God will do the rest.
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
January 29 2007 12:23 GMT
#38
Almost 1/4 of the people don't care. Not viewing OSL and not caring are actually the same thing -_-;;
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20665 Posts
January 29 2007 15:07 GMT
#39
On January 25 2007 17:46 Live2Win wrote:
I'm running out of hardrive. Each OSL use to be around 8~10 gigs, but now it's almost doubled... about 15 gigs... T_T

Plus 12 games of OSL plus 4 games of MSL is too much!


Yeah, I've stopped downloading all except for the games that I really want to keep.
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GoBOXERgogo
Profile Joined June 2006
664 Posts
January 29 2007 18:27 GMT
#40
On January 27 2007 10:28 red.venom wrote:
I should say that I love Starcraft as a spectator. Its almost more fun than playing to me.

But with the maps and some of the match ups(Like having a week of mostly TvT or something) I find it kinda hard to really look forward to anything but the most hyped of matches.

Between OSL, MSL, Proleague and the far too often Super Fights im finding that I dont pay attention to the qualifier leagues at all anymore and I will often skip a week of MSL or OSL if none of my fav players are playing or its all mirrors. And I consider myself MAD hardcore about watching this shit, hardcore enough to consider ordering the Korean pack for Dish network so I can tivo OSL. Hardcore enough to stay up until 5am to watch the games on a semi-often basis.

But if im finding my interest moderately waning... I wonder what a casual fan of the game is going to be like.
I stay up till 5 AM and watch every single game in every single league. <---teh number 1 fan
Cpt Obvious
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Germany3073 Posts
January 29 2007 18:57 GMT
#41
too many true things have been said about this to quote them all.

just following the pro-scene anything near "close" requires me to invest at least 5-10 hours a week, and i'm not even speaking about time difference and the influence on my sleeping habits -_-

less games including higher quality players would be very convenient for me, that would also decrease size of the VOD torrents, which take a lot of my traffic and online time away.

racial balance is another issue, but that is not the leagues fault, its the toss players' incompetence.
Nobody ever reads signatures of people like me, do they?
miniStar
Profile Joined June 2004
Finland143 Posts
January 29 2007 21:39 GMT
#42
It would be far more interesting if they came with the rule to allow only 8 players to advance from group stage. First ranked players with automatic advance, and 2nd ranked players would play another double elimination round for just TWO more spots. That WOULD be a real dog-fight in the groups.

And yeah, 'less is more'
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semioldguy
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States7488 Posts
January 30 2007 02:27 GMT
#43
I like the round of 24, but I think that instead of cutting to 16 that the winners could get a bye and everyone else who would have made ro16 has to compete to make ro8.
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Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20665 Posts
February 01 2007 01:04 GMT
#44
I like the current format. More spots means more abilities to come back - Casy came from wildcards to win entire OSL. A more punitive system with less spots would make that harder.
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