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Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27148 Posts
November 13 2006 18:53 GMT
#1
To view the news and discussion, check out the original thread in the Recommended threads section here. Posted by Honestea.
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
November 13 2006 19:31 GMT
#2
... bad. This could start a dangerous trend.

imagine pros chosing 'SL's based on the players attending...
Hey, saviors playing in MSL soooo im going to play OSL

imagine fans watching the games on tv, unable to watch their favourite gamer outside of PL because they cant get MBC Game or Ongamenet in their area

imagine what teams that are sponsered by tv companies will do...
MBC Hero -> only OSL, OGN Sparkyz -> only MSL
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42653 Posts
November 13 2006 19:45 GMT
#3
They could just practice for OSL and play in MSL as well. Or visa versa. Sure, you won't be absolutely perfect on the maps so a timing based build might not work. But they're pros, if they practice hard for OSL it's hardly going to make them worse in MSL.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Zea!
Profile Joined November 2006
9589 Posts
November 13 2006 20:17 GMT
#4
Bad Of Course..
The Real Power~
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-11-13 21:32:31
November 13 2006 21:32 GMT
#5
Bad, it would really suck to have two seperate 'leagues' with every player either in OSL or MSL, without any mix. Imagine nada being on one side continuously, and ipx on the other!
SCNewb
Profile Joined June 2006
Canada2210 Posts
November 13 2006 22:01 GMT
#6
Voted for bad. If other teams start doing this it could be chaos. Also, if a player chose one league and didn't make it past the qualification rounds he'd be out of both leagues. For example, Oov chose OSL, but if someone beats him in the qualification rounds he'll be screwed over. Lastly, I think that players will have even a higher pressure to do better.
Huge iloveOov fan
Wasabi
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States3085 Posts
November 13 2006 22:50 GMT
#7
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wXs.Havok
Profile Joined October 2006
Argentina529 Posts
November 13 2006 22:52 GMT
#8
they are overworked man

all time practicing

come on! they need a life

they have the right to have free time
Read this and you`re gay
Red_Dragon
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Croatia2862 Posts
November 13 2006 23:05 GMT
#9
IMO KeSpa should get involved in this "incident". They should also define rules for this kind of situations. I mean coach shouldn`t be able to order a player you have to choose between leagues. It is totally disrespectful toward MSL starleague in this case. Other teams have tight schedule too. Most likely other teams will not fallow this example.
Climbing walls of an endless circle
Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
November 13 2006 23:14 GMT
#10
I think it's stupid. They're overestimating the "practice" issue. Let those who cant qualify for the big leagues take care of the 2v2 that particular season, instead of using players who are involved in both individual leagues spend time to practice 2v2. The maps are the same in proleague for 1v1 as in the individual leagues, so this isnt really a problem.

A desperate way to clung on to the sponsors imo. Basically they're saying to everyone sponsors included "We only did bad in PL because we had players in two individual leagues, not because our players performed bad/arent as good as previously assumed"

Also it sucks not being able to get starstudded leagues in both MSL and OSL.
Live2Win is awesome. Happy new year scarabi!
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
November 14 2006 00:08 GMT
#11
Hmm... I think it would be a good trend as it gives progamers more free time to relax and have a life. However, I don't think it's a good decision if ONLY SKT1 do such a thing. It just isn't fair.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
November 14 2006 00:40 GMT
#12
On November 14 2006 07:52 wXs.Havok wrote:
they are overworked man

all time practicing

come on! they need a life

they have the right to have free time

They chose for this life themselves, so they have to work for it. Just like lawyers have to work up to 12 hours a day, it's their job, their life, and their payment and they chose for it themselves.
ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
November 14 2006 01:40 GMT
#13
Bad.

They're trying to blame distraction when the issue is obviously something else, like coaching, or the house atmosphere. The better run teams have, in truth, been better run for a loooooong time now.

Seems like SKT1 management is getting frustrated and is on a witch hunt to place blame. Not a good sign.
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PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
November 14 2006 01:56 GMT
#14
I think it's better if we discuss it in only one place:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=46334
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SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-11-14 04:06:58
November 14 2006 04:06 GMT
#15
They're just scared fo Savior in the MSL really...
You have to protect something's reputation like the terran dynasty..
So they use a genius ghost card and dodge. How pro.
POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
GaG[SharKy]
Profile Joined November 2006
New Zealand221 Posts
November 14 2006 05:20 GMT
#16
i think they are overworked... but then again, they get paid to play and quite abit too.. so..hmm not sure
a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5085 Posts
November 14 2006 06:10 GMT
#17
i think their overworked but it should be their choice not the teams
you wouldnt feel that way if it was your magical sword of mantouchery that got stolen - racebannon • I am merely guest #13,678!
lawl mart v2.0
Profile Joined November 2006
United States108 Posts
November 14 2006 07:17 GMT
#18
On November 14 2006 15:10 a-game wrote:
i think their overworked but it should be their choice not the teams

agreed

the coaches shouldnt be the ones to determine who/where they play
proleague is proleague, but the individual leagues are for individuals, not for other people to make the choice for you

i hope i didnt read something wronge and sound like a jackass lol
closed thread forum, where the cool kids hang out
merz
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Sweden2760 Posts
November 14 2006 14:41 GMT
#19
lmao this sucks.

They're just trying to find something to blame after failing horribly in proleauge.

I'd want to see any individual sport-star going "I'm only going to participate in this one leauge" pfft..
Winners never quit, quitters never win.
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
November 15 2006 00:16 GMT
#20
Map practice does make a big difference.
POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
lawl mart v2.0
Profile Joined November 2006
United States108 Posts
November 15 2006 06:23 GMT
#21
On November 14 2006 23:41 meRz wrote:
lmao this sucks.

They're just trying to find something to blame after failing horribly in proleauge.

I'd want to see any individual sport-star going "I'm only going to participate in this one leauge" pfft..

but still, you cant compare something like a football player to a starcraft player

its like apples and oranges, football players dont have to practice timing and strategies for each match/matchup for every league.

i see what your saying about them using it as an excuse, and that could be it, but you still cant blame them for trying something new
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Vin{MBL}
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
5185 Posts
November 15 2006 08:48 GMT
#22
On November 14 2006 10:40 ManaBlue wrote:
Bad.

They're trying to blame distraction when the issue is obviously something else, like coaching, or the house atmosphere. The better run teams have, in truth, been better run for a loooooong time now.

Seems like SKT1 management is getting frustrated and is on a witch hunt to place blame. Not a good sign.


Ahhh... Good point mana!
yea this is like where instead of fixing the problem they blame it on someting else

FOR EXAMPLE
WGT taking so long to launch!
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
November 15 2006 14:57 GMT
#23
If they are doing something drastic like this, I would give them the benefit of the doubt that there are serious issues that actually occurred. Maybe to the fans this really sucks, and I do not know the labor arrangements in proteams to comment on the player side of things, but given teh busy schedule of these progamers it is at least not a onesided horrible thing.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Purind
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Canada3562 Posts
November 16 2006 04:40 GMT
#24
On November 15 2006 15:23 lawl mart v2.0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2006 23:41 meRz wrote:
lmao this sucks.

They're just trying to find something to blame after failing horribly in proleauge.

I'd want to see any individual sport-star going "I'm only going to participate in this one leauge" pfft..

but still, you cant compare something like a football player to a starcraft player

its like apples and oranges, football players dont have to practice timing and strategies for each match/matchup for every league.

i see what your saying about them using it as an excuse, and that could be it, but you still cant blame them for trying something new


I don't think he's comparing it to football players (they typically only have one league that they concentrate on anyway). He clearly indicated individual sports, so something like Tennis or Golf. And umm.... I'm pretty sure there are players out there that only concentrate on say.... playing on clay.
Trucy Wright is hot
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
November 16 2006 07:09 GMT
#25
They are definitely over-worked. This is good for them.

On November 14 2006 09:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2006 07:52 wXs.Havok wrote:
they are overworked man

all time practicing

come on! they need a life

they have the right to have free time

They chose for this life themselves, so they have to work for it. Just like lawyers have to work up to 12 hours a day, it's their job, their life, and their payment and they chose for it themselves.


You are right, it's THEIR life, and right now, they chose to participate in one league. If they don't like their team decision, they can switch teams.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Zea!
Profile Joined November 2006
9589 Posts
November 17 2006 00:39 GMT
#26
On November 14 2006 15:10 a-game wrote:
i think their overworked but it should be their choice not the teams


I think they practice the same amount of hours even if they're in only one of the two leagues..
The Real Power~
MyTHicaL
Profile Joined November 2005
France1070 Posts
November 17 2006 20:42 GMT
#27
give the players the freedom to do what they want.
MyTHicaL
Profile Joined November 2005
France1070 Posts
November 19 2006 22:39 GMT
#28
ch-ch-ch-cheapshot~~
Luhh
Profile Joined October 2003
Sweden2974 Posts
November 21 2006 06:48 GMT
#29
The dangerous trend of scapegoating or what?

Individual leagues will count for more no matter what the teams say. Fans want to see the best of the stars play, not think of them as teams.

With that said, the ones who play more individual tournaments and do well in them will be more popular (unless they're fugly and play completely lame).

Conclusion, it's just an excuse and it means squat.
I wouldn´t call him stupid, but let´s just say he´s unlucky when thinking...
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