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Which race will win Blizzcon?

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Pandahunterz
Profile Joined March 2013
Netherlands213 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-06 17:54:35
November 06 2013 17:49 GMT
#1
EZ protoss EZ, would be nice to see soulkey or JD win though (don't think they have much chance, despite their good skills and talent). Lot of good terran players too in this tournament (probably biggest names at the moment), but think toss will win.
Nomzter
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden2802 Posts
November 06 2013 17:52 GMT
#2
HerO plays toss
Darkarus
Profile Joined January 2013
United States8 Posts
November 06 2013 17:54 GMT
#3
On November 07 2013 02:52 Nomzter wrote:
HerO plays toss


Taeja plays Terran so Team Taeja FTW but if he gets knocked out I will root for HerO
Taeja and HerO FTW GO Team Liquid Fighting
Headshot
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1656 Posts
November 06 2013 18:11 GMT
#4
My head says Protoss, my heart says Zerg. Jeadong pls.
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JacobShock
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Denmark2485 Posts
November 06 2013 18:13 GMT
#5
On November 07 2013 03:11 Headshot wrote:
My head says Protoss, my heart says Zerg. Jeadong pls.


I feel the same. GO JD! But most likely Dear, that kid is on a roll.
"Right on" - Morrow
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
November 06 2013 18:16 GMT
#6
Terran master race
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Fus
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1112 Posts
November 06 2013 18:29 GMT
#7
Whoever win of Taeja and Deer in the first round. I vote Taeja.
NaNiwa | Innovation | Flash | DeMuslim ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
DivinesiaTV
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland58 Posts
November 06 2013 19:01 GMT
#8
OMFG IF SOMEONE WINS DEAR! :D MATCH OF THE YEAR!
Always look at the bright side of life
gkts
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany56 Posts
November 06 2013 20:16 GMT
#9
Terran just got the most highest skilled players and thus the best chance :p
IcookTacos
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden295 Posts
November 06 2013 20:22 GMT
#10
Depends on what race Jaedong picks in the final game I guess.
Life | Ryung | Mvp | MarineKing | Jaedong | Bisu | HerO
Jerom
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands588 Posts
November 06 2013 22:50 GMT
#11
Given the recent balance, I'd favor Protoss, especially over Terran players. And since this tournement is very terran stacked I see good chances for the protosses. Aswell as Dear being my number one pick for the final winner.
Xrero
Profile Joined August 2010
United States120 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-06 23:00:37
November 06 2013 23:00 GMT
#12
Bow down to your Terran gods.
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
Souldrinkah
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden48 Posts
November 06 2013 23:04 GMT
#13
HerO will teach them all about pOWA
JHRicky
Profile Joined September 2013
Canada4 Posts
November 06 2013 23:07 GMT
#14
Summer may be over but i still believe, go Taeja!
TaeJa!
TaishiCi
Profile Joined September 2013
Korea (South)211 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-06 23:12:38
November 06 2013 23:09 GMT
#15
I don't think there is a chance Terran won't win.
Largest Race represented and the largest race represented from GSL.
Dear is going to be difficult to stop and so is Soulkey. Other than those two Jaedong is the only one that really has a good chance at beating the Terrans there for the championship.
The weakest region, EU, is fielding 3 of the 6 toss. (there is close to 0% chance of Naniwa beating Soulkey)
HerO and sOs are going to face each other in the first round.
Dae Han Min Gook Man Sae!!!
Raketen
Profile Joined May 2013
Sweden14 Posts
November 06 2013 23:35 GMT
#16
I was torn whether to pick Terran or Protoss when I saw the Zerg option. A stab of pain went through my Zerg heart... Voted Terran in the end.
Seeing Blademail on Bristleback makes me cringe.
invisigoat
Profile Joined March 2013
184 Posts
November 06 2013 23:36 GMT
#17
SoulKey!!! <3
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di4m0nd
Profile Joined June 2010
United States297 Posts
November 06 2013 23:53 GMT
#18
MVP!!! One can dream right
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ZerGGling
Profile Joined November 2012
26 Posts
November 07 2013 00:11 GMT
#19
Soulkey or JD ... pleaseee
Who the hell do you think I am?!; Go beyond the impossible and kick reason to the curb! (Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann)
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
November 07 2013 00:13 GMT
#20
Naniwa plays protoss, so...
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
holladoub
Profile Joined July 2012
Canada32 Posts
November 07 2013 00:39 GMT
#21
On November 07 2013 08:09 TaishiCi wrote:
I don't think there is a chance Terran won't win.
Largest Race represented and the largest race represented from GSL.
Dear is going to be difficult to stop and so is Soulkey. Other than those two Jaedong is the only one that really has a good chance at beating the Terrans there for the championship.
The weakest region, EU, is fielding 3 of the 6 toss. (there is close to 0% chance of Naniwa beating Soulkey)
HerO and sOs are going to face each other in the first round.



when Naniwa beats soulkey, i hope you unistall your tl account
naniwa fighting
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
November 07 2013 00:45 GMT
#22
On November 07 2013 09:39 holladoub wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2013 08:09 TaishiCi wrote:
I don't think there is a chance Terran won't win.
Largest Race represented and the largest race represented from GSL.
Dear is going to be difficult to stop and so is Soulkey. Other than those two Jaedong is the only one that really has a good chance at beating the Terrans there for the championship.
The weakest region, EU, is fielding 3 of the 6 toss. (there is close to 0% chance of Naniwa beating Soulkey)
HerO and sOs are going to face each other in the first round.



when Naniwa beats soulkey, i hope you unistall your tl account

Did you install your TL account onto your computer? If so, how and why?
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banjoetheredskin
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States744 Posts
November 07 2013 01:04 GMT
#23
Innovation said he would win no matter what. Robots cannot lie.
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00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
November 07 2013 01:49 GMT
#24
For Protoss I see only Dear and sOs as strong contenders.
For Terran there are Innovation, Polt, Taeja, Maru and Bomber.

Terran has the best chances.
[CCSRAM] BaoQuan
Profile Joined August 2013
United States96 Posts
November 07 2013 02:10 GMT
#25
I think Terran has higher chance, due to the quality and quantity of them going to Blizzcon
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
November 07 2013 06:54 GMT
#26
Hoping for Maru but feeling Dear
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chuiboy
Profile Joined October 2011
55 Posts
November 07 2013 08:13 GMT
#27
I want a zerg to win so badly, but i know it won't happen considering the current balance of the game.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
November 07 2013 08:20 GMT
#28
On November 07 2013 09:39 holladoub wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2013 08:09 TaishiCi wrote:
I don't think there is a chance Terran won't win.
Largest Race represented and the largest race represented from GSL.
Dear is going to be difficult to stop and so is Soulkey. Other than those two Jaedong is the only one that really has a good chance at beating the Terrans there for the championship.
The weakest region, EU, is fielding 3 of the 6 toss. (there is close to 0% chance of Naniwa beating Soulkey)
HerO and sOs are going to face each other in the first round.



when Naniwa beats soulkey, i hope you unistall your tl account


when Naniwa beats soulkey, he's gonna take that tournament. mind my words!
TrOn_sc2
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany91 Posts
November 07 2013 08:40 GMT
#29
Who the hell thinks that a Terran would win, if there are so many good Protosses?
Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
November 07 2013 09:36 GMT
#30
Maru is the best in the world right now in my opinion. In my eternal quest for a SC2 bonjwa he is my next target.
ilovegroov | Blizzards mapmaker(s?) suck ass | #1 Protoss hater
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3751 Posts
November 07 2013 09:44 GMT
#31
Dear will win this and then he will continue to climb Mount Bonjwa.
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
November 07 2013 09:53 GMT
#32
terran, im glad we agree
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FluffyBinLaden
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States527 Posts
November 07 2013 11:11 GMT
#33
My heart wants Jaedong. All these write-ups are confusing me though, how can I not root for Duck? Or MMA? Or MVP? Or everyone else?

I just want my Zerg bias back.
Riddles in the Dark. Answers in the Light.
Cereb
Profile Joined November 2011
Denmark3388 Posts
November 07 2013 12:18 GMT
#34
This question is so interesting right now!

Terran is just so consistent in tournaments and has had an incredible ability to do well with stable performances since day 1!

Protoss seems more scary than ever and a few of the players are actually starting to show some serious consistency! The thing they've been lacking all along! Now that is scary!

Ever since Fruitdealer, Zerg has shown that regardless of numbers or the state of the game, they somehow just show up and grab the throphies anyway!


Still gonna give the edge to Terran because of the sheer numbers (and the rumors that Innovation is back to his A game), unless Dear just continues his completely uncontested play! My heart is of course still gonna stay with the swarm (JD, please! )
"Until the very very top in almost anything, all that matters is how much work you put in. The only problem is most people can't work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they don't have a real passion for. -Greg "IdrA" Fields
TaishiCi
Profile Joined September 2013
Korea (South)211 Posts
November 07 2013 13:23 GMT
#35
On November 07 2013 09:45 Darkhoarse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2013 09:39 holladoub wrote:
On November 07 2013 08:09 TaishiCi wrote:
I don't think there is a chance Terran won't win.
Largest Race represented and the largest race represented from GSL.
Dear is going to be difficult to stop and so is Soulkey. Other than those two Jaedong is the only one that really has a good chance at beating the Terrans there for the championship.
The weakest region, EU, is fielding 3 of the 6 toss. (there is close to 0% chance of Naniwa beating Soulkey)
HerO and sOs are going to face each other in the first round.



when Naniwa beats soulkey, i hope you unistall your tl account

Did you install your TL account onto your computer? If so, how and why?

LMFAO.
Didn't you know? You can install TL which will meld your mind to the computer like Matrix.

...^^ Soulkey loses to Naniwa? It is going to be a huge ROFL stomp with Naniwa being BM to the extreme.
I don't get how this classless guy has such a huge following.
I guess his fans don't have any class either.
Dae Han Min Gook Man Sae!!!
Jerom
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands588 Posts
November 07 2013 14:47 GMT
#36
On November 07 2013 17:40 TrOn_sc2 wrote:
Who the hell thinks that a Terran would win, if there are so many good Protosses?

well.. I don't think Duckdeok or naniwa have a chance winning this tournement. I consider MC's chances very small aswell. With HerO and sOs facing eachother in the round of 16, there are basically two serious contenders for the prize. Compared to all of those extremely skilled Terran players, that all have a real chance to win it all.
weiliem
Profile Joined January 2008
2071 Posts
November 07 2013 15:26 GMT
#37
Dear is too good atm.... I dont think anybody is capable of beating him....
Oppa feeding style
mihajovics
Profile Joined April 2011
179 Posts
November 07 2013 16:34 GMT
#38
terran always wins in the end
Torigon
Profile Joined December 2012
France32 Posts
November 07 2013 16:42 GMT
#39
Dear, for history !
"I have no girlfriend, but I have a good TvP." Day9
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 07 2013 17:17 GMT
#40
What race is Dear?

Exactly
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Incubus1993
Profile Joined February 2013
Canada140 Posts
November 07 2013 17:20 GMT
#41
Korean Terrans are too good. I doubt that a Protoss or Zerg can win this, especially when they both combine to make 50% of the players here.
"I like to keep an open mind, but not so open my brains fall out."
GWdeathscythe
Profile Joined November 2012
Brazil1091 Posts
November 07 2013 18:30 GMT
#42
JD or Soulkey.. a Zerg shall be the champion.
ps: JD most of all, plz make it happen.
JD is BONJWA!
Waste
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden84 Posts
November 07 2013 19:15 GMT
#43
Naniwa!! :D
nullroar
Profile Joined August 2010
United States32 Posts
November 07 2013 20:27 GMT
#44
Dear has been playing on another level, lately. He's been making the best players in the world look like frauds. I've never seen the sheer piles of helplessness he turns other players into, outside of Innovation in his glory days or, say, old BW legends. If he maintains that level of play, I don't know if there's anyone in the world capable of pulling a map off him outside of stars-aligning lucky cheese.

The only two players I would *really* want to win - Jaedong or NaNiwa - are the two I think are also least likely >.<
An MC win wouldn't be terrible - but that's also low chance : (

WHY?!

figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
November 07 2013 21:56 GMT
#45
terran or dear
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Muffloe
Profile Joined December 2012
Sweden6061 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-07 22:00:36
November 07 2013 21:59 GMT
#46
On November 07 2013 22:23 TaishiCi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2013 09:45 Darkhoarse wrote:
On November 07 2013 09:39 holladoub wrote:
On November 07 2013 08:09 TaishiCi wrote:
I don't think there is a chance Terran won't win.
Largest Race represented and the largest race represented from GSL.
Dear is going to be difficult to stop and so is Soulkey. Other than those two Jaedong is the only one that really has a good chance at beating the Terrans there for the championship.
The weakest region, EU, is fielding 3 of the 6 toss. (there is close to 0% chance of Naniwa beating Soulkey)
HerO and sOs are going to face each other in the first round.



when Naniwa beats soulkey, i hope you unistall your tl account

Did you install your TL account onto your computer? If so, how and why?

LMFAO.
Didn't you know? You can install TL which will meld your mind to the computer like Matrix.

...^^ Soulkey loses to Naniwa? It is going to be a huge ROFL stomp with Naniwa being BM to the extreme.
I don't get how this classless guy has such a huge following.
I guess his fans don't have any class either.

Lol, is this just some random smacktalk or are you actually being serious?
Warheart
Profile Joined June 2012
Italy25 Posts
November 07 2013 23:32 GMT
#47
my heart says Polt, my head says protoss :/
war is in my heart,death is by my side!
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
November 08 2013 00:07 GMT
#48
Well Dear is going to die to Taeja, then I don't think any Zerg or Protoss can withstand the Terran onslaught.

Terran wins
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Dogfoodboy16
Profile Joined October 2013
364 Posts
November 08 2013 00:36 GMT
#49
On November 07 2013 15:54 Shellshock wrote:
Hoping for Maru but feeling Dear


Wait until Maru figures out about dem Ghosts
invisigoat
Profile Joined March 2013
184 Posts
November 08 2013 00:45 GMT
#50
On November 07 2013 09:39 holladoub wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2013 08:09 TaishiCi wrote:
I don't think there is a chance Terran won't win.
Largest Race represented and the largest race represented from GSL.
Dear is going to be difficult to stop and so is Soulkey. Other than those two Jaedong is the only one that really has a good chance at beating the Terrans there for the championship.
The weakest region, EU, is fielding 3 of the 6 toss. (there is close to 0% chance of Naniwa beating Soulkey)
HerO and sOs are going to face each other in the first round.



when Naniwa beats soulkey, i hope you unistall your tl account

SoulKey has never lost a BoX series against a foreigner EVER so it seems unlikely
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3751 Posts
November 08 2013 01:26 GMT
#51
On November 08 2013 09:45 invisigoat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2013 09:39 holladoub wrote:
On November 07 2013 08:09 TaishiCi wrote:
I don't think there is a chance Terran won't win.
Largest Race represented and the largest race represented from GSL.
Dear is going to be difficult to stop and so is Soulkey. Other than those two Jaedong is the only one that really has a good chance at beating the Terrans there for the championship.
The weakest region, EU, is fielding 3 of the 6 toss. (there is close to 0% chance of Naniwa beating Soulkey)
HerO and sOs are going to face each other in the first round.



when Naniwa beats soulkey, i hope you unistall your tl account

SoulKey has never lost a BoX series against a foreigner EVER so it seems unlikely

And how many did he play? Like one series against IdrA and one against TLO and was there any other BoX against foreginer? Not many foreigners in Korea and not much Soulkey outside of it.
SaintEaon
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States38 Posts
November 08 2013 02:35 GMT
#52
There are two important things to remember here:
Winter is Coming
HerO is playing.

I hope you built your wall high enough and put lots of Bunkers up and have more than three populated, otherwise, the Warp Prisms are coming.
Humanity is overrated.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
November 08 2013 02:48 GMT
#53
On November 08 2013 09:45 invisigoat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2013 09:39 holladoub wrote:
On November 07 2013 08:09 TaishiCi wrote:
I don't think there is a chance Terran won't win.
Largest Race represented and the largest race represented from GSL.
Dear is going to be difficult to stop and so is Soulkey. Other than those two Jaedong is the only one that really has a good chance at beating the Terrans there for the championship.
The weakest region, EU, is fielding 3 of the 6 toss. (there is close to 0% chance of Naniwa beating Soulkey)
HerO and sOs are going to face each other in the first round.



when Naniwa beats soulkey, i hope you unistall your tl account

SoulKey has never lost a BoX series against a foreigner EVER so it seems unlikely


Bogus hadn't either...UNTIL:

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NKexquisite
Profile Joined January 2009
United States911 Posts
November 08 2013 02:54 GMT
#54
Protoss is on a roll right now... They are really figuring out solid and safe ways to play both PvT and PvZ it seems.
Whattttt Upppppppp Im Nesteaaaaaa!!
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
November 08 2013 04:25 GMT
#55
I can't believe more then 2000 people are so grievously misinformed. Jaedong to win it all :D
Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
November 08 2013 09:02 GMT
#56
Dear's gonna take it!
(•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) ~Keep calm and inject Larva~
Sakkreth
Profile Joined February 2011
Lithuania1096 Posts
November 08 2013 15:58 GMT
#57
Dear is the best player, if he doesn't win it's either Soulkey or some Terran, ok ok or NaNiwa.. gotta believe... So hard to tell the race.
WhiteRa, NaNiWa, Creator, sOs, Krr, ForGG, MMA, Zest ||
TaishiCi
Profile Joined September 2013
Korea (South)211 Posts
November 08 2013 16:07 GMT
#58
On November 08 2013 06:59 Muffloe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2013 22:23 TaishiCi wrote:
On November 07 2013 09:45 Darkhoarse wrote:
On November 07 2013 09:39 holladoub wrote:
On November 07 2013 08:09 TaishiCi wrote:
I don't think there is a chance Terran won't win.
Largest Race represented and the largest race represented from GSL.
Dear is going to be difficult to stop and so is Soulkey. Other than those two Jaedong is the only one that really has a good chance at beating the Terrans there for the championship.
The weakest region, EU, is fielding 3 of the 6 toss. (there is close to 0% chance of Naniwa beating Soulkey)
HerO and sOs are going to face each other in the first round.



when Naniwa beats soulkey, i hope you unistall your tl account

Did you install your TL account onto your computer? If so, how and why?

LMFAO.
Didn't you know? You can install TL which will meld your mind to the computer like Matrix.

...^^ Soulkey loses to Naniwa? It is going to be a huge ROFL stomp with Naniwa being BM to the extreme.
I don't get how this classless guy has such a huge following.
I guess his fans don't have any class either.

Lol, is this just some random smacktalk or are you actually being serious?

Because Naniwa has shown so much professionalism and accountability throughout his career?
Because his fans don't mass post outrageous insults on other players' fan clubs whenever Naniwa loses?
Dae Han Min Gook Man Sae!!!
Jornada
Profile Joined February 2012
United States223 Posts
November 09 2013 02:02 GMT
#59
On November 07 2013 02:49 Pandahunterz wrote:
EZ protoss EZ, would be nice to see soulkey or JD win though (don't think they have much chance, despite their good skills and talent). Lot of good terran players too in this tournament (probably biggest names at the moment), but think toss will win.



You make it seem like their are no good Protoss players at blizzcon....... so many kids complain these days IMBA, IMBA, OP, OP... but at this high level it is the players that make the difference not the race... Sick of all the protoss flame when its not true.
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NiXy
Profile Joined October 2013
Poland2 Posts
November 09 2013 16:24 GMT
#60
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Metap
Profile Joined September 2012
31 Posts
November 09 2013 23:41 GMT
#61
ZERG OFC !
Those "smart" guys think Cannabis Oil can treat some pain and that's it. They have no idea that Cannabis Oil will actually completely kill the cancer, cure and recover the body to the full. Do a research and be amazed how easy it is to kill cancer.
asdfOu
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2089 Posts
November 10 2013 03:58 GMT
#62
why would anyone vote terran? lol
rip prime
BatesCsC
Profile Joined June 2013
United States99 Posts
November 10 2013 05:11 GMT
#63
I've got a good feeling it will be protoss
@BatesCMB
Rhodesian Ridgeback
Profile Joined February 2013
United States20 Posts
November 10 2013 16:57 GMT
#64
I'm almost 100% sure it will Protoss
FUCK YOU, Starcraft isnt dead cause I'm playing it! :)
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
November 10 2013 17:50 GMT
#65
Why is this poll still open? ._.
NEEDZMOAR
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1277 Posts
November 10 2013 22:21 GMT
#66
sOs showing what protoss is all about; being as annoying and abusive as possible :O
banjoetheredskin
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States744 Posts
November 11 2013 01:01 GMT
#67
all those people who voted protoss after sOs won... smh
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Billinator
Profile Joined July 2012
United States86 Posts
November 12 2013 21:24 GMT
#68
Hilarious how protoss percentatge wet up like 15% after sOs won....
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