EPTWhich SC2 teamleague do you enjoy the most?
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HeeroFX
United States2704 Posts
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
ATC and SC2L are leagues like the eg league or whatever league not that importent i feel, and the proleague is to bad made for me (sry not my casters, not my caststyle etc) so gstl is for me at least far above | ||
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vrok
Sweden2541 Posts
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bourne117
United States837 Posts
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r1flEx
Belgium256 Posts
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Hayl_Storm
The Shire633 Posts
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zyzq
United States3123 Posts
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MtlGuitarist97
United States1539 Posts
On September 04 2013 23:50 bourne117 wrote: Proleague has the best games but I can't stand the commentary. GSTL is so expensive if you cant watch live though. Hard choice. I agree with you in terms of the pros/cons of each, but for me it's an easy choice. I have (and always will) like GSTL more. The format, quality, production, and overall feel of GSTL is more professional (at least for the English stream) and I like the eSF teams more. | ||
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Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
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Destructicon
4713 Posts
The team aspect of GSTL seems lost when you can have a super ace or two on your team and they end up all-killing or nearly all-killing and then someone cleans up. On an individual level it provides excitement in that you want to see if the certain player can go the full distance, but the team aspect is just lost in all of it. This is why I voted for Proleague, I think they can and will fix the commentary part and the production value will go up in time and with the superior format I can't see it not winning out. On the plus side Proleague can afford to and does bring out truly unique and crazy map, because the format is such that if a map is really race favored then you just send that race on the map and it evens out until the map is rotated out, this has lead to us seeing some truly unique maps and games and maps this year, and while not all of them where successful or good, at least in the end we had some added entertainment. | ||
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MuATaran
Canada231 Posts
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PerSe
United Kingdom550 Posts
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desRow
Canada2654 Posts
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jbeL
United States13 Posts
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Atlasy
Hungary229 Posts
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Gendo
United Kingdom216 Posts
As a person that played and appreciates BW but not fanatic about it i don't see any particular appeal over GSTL, they have long breaks between matches, average casting and little content that appeals to foreigners. On the other hand GSTL has great casting, good music and info in between matches, proper format with well translated interviews. Not to mention GSL before all the WCS confusion... | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
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chichom27
Ecuador56 Posts
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VanSCPurge
United States169 Posts
SC2L edges out GSTL for me; I enjoy them both but the tiebreaker is airtime. Much more convenient for me being in the US. | ||
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Gendo
United Kingdom216 Posts
On September 05 2013 05:52 chichom27 wrote: maybe there should be a "Dont watch team leagues"option? Any reason why you don't? | ||
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y0su
Finland7871 Posts
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HeadlessWonder
United States1096 Posts
ATC - The Karont3 decision and the stupid revive rule (the one that allows one guy (Taeja/Yugioh/Huyn, etc) to play 3 times) lessened my enthusiasm for this league quite a bit, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't really excited for the start of season 2. SC2L - This one I think is pretty cool, but the erratic broadcast days was kind of annoying. ProLeague - So I had watched SC2 for a few months and started learning who the players (eSF guys) are and then suddenly there are twice the Korean players and Teams? Sorry, but I'm not going to be excited about a league with players I don't care about (didn't watch BW) with casting I didn't like and whose stats overlays look like they are straight out of the mid 90's. I watched a couple of EGTL's games but that was it. That being said, the tiny GSTL is quite saddening and I'm thinking it will probably end up merging into PL. I'd happily watch it then. My favorite league of all time was definietly the IPTL though. More specifically, the IPL TAC3 (the one where TaeJa killed everybody). Kevin Knocke and DoA casting, TaeJa picking up TL and dragging them to the finals...I doubt any league will ever beat that in my mind. | ||
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wayheyha
Germany2 Posts
 But yeah.. its proleague.. | ||
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TJ31
630 Posts
Pro league was ok, but english commentary killed it for me. Still watched some korean streams, but only chosen ones and when I didn't had anything better to do. Don't care about the other 2 at all. | ||
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tl2212
Belize731 Posts
plus the grand finals are epic in pl | ||
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LittleRedBoy
United States229 Posts
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On September 05 2013 02:16 PerSe wrote: GSTL production and commentary is superior to Proleague, but in terms of the actual games and format of the league, Proleague is superior. Pretty much this. | ||
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dyDrawer
Canada438 Posts
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
This season I can't say I really care as much for GSTL. I still watch, but there's nobody I can really get behind as much as IM. I'm rooting for FXO, but with significantly less passion had IM still been playing. The format for GSTL is a lot better this season though, with better maps...it's still cool I guess. SPL isn't around just yet, but I suppose I'll vote that since it owns in production, format, and longevity. Not to mention, IM seems likely to join. edit: oh, and how could I forget SPL's finest point...MAPS! I love the rotations between rounds. Also, SPL on average has much more of an audience. I didn't really care much for SNM as a caster though, I felt like he held Whiplash back. It seemed like Whiplash would try to inject some humor every now and then into the cast and SNM would kind of shoot it down. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13974 Posts
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Survivor61316
United States470 Posts
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Meadowlark
United States349 Posts
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Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
Hoping for more teams though next season, would be awsome. | ||
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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
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padiseal2
Austria721 Posts
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Elite_
United States4259 Posts
Oh well, still GSTL since they're the only one to consistently have an English broadcast and two casters that know what they're talking about at least 95% of the time. Oh yeah, and they have a set broadcast time so I know when to be awake to watch and they don't change the broadcast time mid-season. | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On September 05 2013 06:14 y0su wrote: I really wish team leagues incorporated some team games... maybe start off with a 2v2 to give either team an advantage (like picking the first map etc). It was really nice back in Proleague in BW , but i don't know why they removed it ... | ||
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winthrop
Hong Kong956 Posts
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NeThZOR
South Africa7387 Posts
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Ship
United States24 Posts
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BradenKuntz
Canada59 Posts
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Frankenberry
Denmark302 Posts
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Havik_
United States5585 Posts
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splasha
Brazil86 Posts
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gobrin
Canada96 Posts
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Cricketer12
United States13974 Posts
GSTL players are farrrrr more recognizable proleague commentators are terrible and unrecognizable | ||
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Pwny_Danza
United States11 Posts
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CCa1ss1e
Canada3231 Posts
>_> | ||
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k3n705
Canada134 Posts
GSTL: Good commentary/production, includes many of my favourite players/teams, awful airtime for my zone Proleague: Satisfactory commentary/production, includes players/history less familiar to me, good airtime SC2L: Good commentary, decent production, includes many good players but not the best, good airtime ATC: Didn't watch enough to judge | ||
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Chvol
United States200 Posts
And of course, EGTL made it extra fun. | ||
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Sakkreth
Lithuania1096 Posts
On September 05 2013 05:52 chichom27 wrote: maybe there should be a "Dont watch team leagues"option? Well then you don't vote | ||
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astray71
United States325 Posts
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Fuell
Netherlands3111 Posts
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Weavel
Finland9221 Posts
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LawnMower
Sweden557 Posts
Never really watched SC2L, always at a bad time for me. The ATC finals where awesome though, should watch more of that. | ||
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nimbim
Germany984 Posts
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yoshi245
United States2969 Posts
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Nomzter
Sweden2802 Posts
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
Why is that? Watch out, completely non-objective opinion incoming: GSTL has the most fun format. Players actually do sometimes show a sense of joy when they won. Plus, GSTL SC2 history (SlayerS vs. FXO ...) is just great. Proleague - raw display of skill. It's KeSPA. It's traditional from BW. It's like "there is a duty to watch this if you're into SC2!" (and I would not follow Proleague as much as I do without EGTL. I simply don't care for hugely skilled players that do not care for fans. "Cheer for me, thanks to sponsors" is not what I call caring for fans.) ATC - European time zone (mostly). Was fun to watch, and I do like not-kr based teamleagues, because it shows the growth of the scene. Also, I do enjoy Acer supporting the scene pretty much. BUT: In terms entertainment, ATC clearly wins. In terms of skill displayed, Proleague wins. Of course. SC2L - not really watchable for EU ppl due to timezone (well, same for KR tournaments - but they do have the calibers of players that make me get up at 5 or 6 in the morning at the weekend). | ||
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Whatson
United States5356 Posts
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Tradeoff
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MarlieChurphy
United States2063 Posts
I never followed any sort of team leagues at all. Not even in bw. Doesn't appeal to me. I don't like team anything really. Also, the matches are usually a weird bo1 KotH format which is not the same as outplaying someone in a series. It seems like there is less skill and hardwork involved. I'll watch individual games if they are good or interesting when people talk about them though. | ||
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Sanders
97 Posts
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KaiserKieran
United States615 Posts
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MicMacAngl
Germany11 Posts
I even enjoyed Supernovamanic and Whiplash, I think they are quite funny. The Maps are cool, and you can see many many games per week on highest level, no matter even who plays. | ||
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Taco87
Norway72 Posts
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Arkani
Austria60 Posts
sc2l for fun games with high entertainment value due to the casters havent watched gstl in a long time, never seen atc | ||
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wrier
Canada291 Posts
Proleague's length makes it feel a lot more like a very, very professional league. I enjoy how each team plays every other team 6 times, it's also nice for teams, because if you don't have a good round, you can try to do better next round and hopefully fix the issues. Most importantly, I love the proleague format, makes it feel more "team" based because you can't just rely on a super power like innovation or rain or flash to carry the entire team. GSTL has the best english production down. Players in booths, high quality streams and VOD's and two of the best casters around. the teams they have are incredibly skilled and the matches are usually very cool to watch. SC2L and ATC are basically tied, the SC2L only wins slightly because it has more foreign teams, and it's not like I have a hard on for foreigners over koreans like a lot of sc2 fans do, but it is nice to have a league where more foreigners are playing because there is GSTL and Proleague already and I love how each player can be entertaining to watch even if they aren't the highest level of skill. | ||
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MCXD
Australia2738 Posts
I think this upcoming proleague is a lot more exciting than the current GSTL, though. | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5214 Posts
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WoodenSky
France66 Posts
Entertainment quality : Proleague Players' range of involvement : Proleague As for the shoutcasting... I'd rather not mention it, it's sort of irrelevant in the vote. | ||
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Pursuit_
United States1330 Posts
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tozi
United States506 Posts
Kespa all the way | ||
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trada
Germany347 Posts
its probably still the best among the 4 but I dont watch it regularly. | ||
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Conklin
Germany11 Posts
ps. yes i know that proleague was the shit back in bw, but i never followed professional bw. | ||
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Frajs
Sweden4 Posts
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
On September 08 2013 00:05 Sanders wrote: Proleague... it's got the players and history that no other league can hope to compete with... and lets face it, history is one of the few things that SC2 has that sets it apart from the others. Don't Counterstrike, Quake and Dota all have long histories? | ||
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Darrkhan
Finland1236 Posts
I like ATC a lot too SC2L is kinda cool not up there with GSTL, PL and ATC but I watch it when I have time | ||
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goody153
44121 Posts
GSTL is the best i think if you count the casters | ||
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blackbrrd
Norway477 Posts
(I can watch youtube 1080p videoes fine.) | ||
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Swiv
Germany3674 Posts
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BombaySensei
United States282 Posts
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Witten
United States2094 Posts
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sunless
62 Posts
Yea, (at least, English) commentary and production is so superior, that I voted GSTL. But clearly Proleague has the exciting games. But now GSTL has Innovation... | ||
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SampritB
United Kingdom56 Posts
ATC was good as well, but I only watched the offline finals. | ||
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Myusen
Germany29 Posts
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OmniEulogy
Canada6592 Posts
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
Therefore I'm stuck with ATC, but I have been enjoying it quite a lot. While the quality of the games might not be as high as in Proleague, the crew of Take are definitely the better cooks.  | ||
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tomastaz
United States976 Posts
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ratty
New Zealand275 Posts
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banjoetheredskin
United States744 Posts
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Nakwa
Sweden93 Posts
People playing good there, usually are the ones climbing fast later in the GSL/WCS. | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
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Lorch
Germany3682 Posts
On September 04 2013 23:54 r1flEx wrote: proleague, then gstl. don't even watch the others so much this. Every other teamleague is played online, and I really couldn't care less about any form of online competition, especially given that most of them are casted from replays. Also watching foreigners play vs koreans, or even worse vs other foreigners, is kinda sad nowadays. I like proleague more because I like the kespa teams more and the format is way more appealing to me, plus personally since I never pay any attention to what exactly the casters are talking about, I prefer proleague as they don't shout as much as khaldor. | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17676 Posts
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
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icegoblin
1 Post
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Chemist
Austria127 Posts
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lynchkin
United States14 Posts
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Elasticity
3420 Posts
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jax1492
United States1632 Posts
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