I think zvt is pretty much balanced at temple except for 12 vs 3, then t>z.

WCG maps are just really bad for p.. unless it's best of 3 and both may pick a map (this means protoss can pick Valhalla against zerg), but if the maps are drawn like last year there's a huge chance z>p at whatever map comes out.

Waxangel

United States33681 Posts

October 15 2002 07:33 GMT

#25

good to see cas at work

AlmostSexy

United States150 Posts

October 15 2002 10:44 GMT

#26

I agree with Mensrea!!! And i want/think Nazgul's gonna win, because that would be coolest and im huge P fan.

[CS]Pablo

Brazil338 Posts

October 15 2002 11:22 GMT

#27

On October 15 2002 03:36 mensrea wrote: I think a zerg player may win it this year based on the maps. Yellow or the new-and-improved Junwi have a shot. Blackman's said to be excellent, but don't think he compares favorably to the best zerg players from Korea. Boxer will ALWAYS be a contender in Big Games. Watch for the guy in the finals.

Dream Final: Boxer v Nazgul. Man, talk about breaking onto the scene in style. Nazgul would be the talk of the town if he pulls it off.

And Nazgul will win using psi storm and disruption web (and maelstrom if Boxer goes bio

)

Muhweli

Finland5328 Posts

October 15 2002 14:13 GMT

#28

Actually it's nice to see some people have a vision of other players winning. It's a nice illusion and makes the poll worthy althought it's most certainly gonna be boxer or yellow

RedMeat

United Kingdom490 Posts

October 15 2002 14:29 GMT

#29

Tsk :p. Boxer's proved he can be beaten

RedMeat

United Kingdom490 Posts

October 15 2002 14:32 GMT

#30

Bah! I hadn't finished typing then. I was also going to say that yellow is always a strong contender but is not a certainty. Damn cpu

NoName

United States1558 Posts

October 15 2002 14:53 GMT

#31

On October 15 2002 23:29 RedMeat wrote: Tsk :p. Boxer's proved he can be beaten

Reach isn't in WCG. It has yet to be proven anyone other than Reach can beat Boxer.

Born)Slippy

Norway1904 Posts

October 16 2002 02:33 GMT

#32

I think that there's no way Grrr will pull this off. Someone was using the WCG Canada games as examples to his skill, but wtf, it's not like he was playing vs all gosu people in Canada. Ill is, as far as I know, relatively unexperienced compared to him, Smuft quit and the dude he played in the finals - Mission? - wasn't all that good, imo. You should instead look at his win/loss record the latest six months in Korea, which I believe is going towards larger % loss than win. He was really amazing once, but he's old and worn now, he's admitted several times over that he's tired of BW. And, finally, for Grrr to really shine he has to face toss. Fat chance.

I don't think either Froz or Blackman can really do good in there, because what I've seen from them isn't good enough to defeat players like Yellow and Boxer, plain and simple. And the Brazilian guy....

Finally, we have the following: Yellow, Boxer, Junwi, Elky, Nazgul and Oddysay. Two zergs, one toss and three terrans. I am fairly certain Junwi will face defeat in the face of any of these, Elky or Boxer in particular. Oddysay is soooooo good recently, but his tvz is questionable, at least compared to his tvt, so I predict he will go down vs Nazgul or Yellow.

Now... Boxer can die. Oddysay has a *killer* tvt and has proven himself able to give even Boxer some SERIOUS competition. Yellow can easily lose in the face of a vengeful Elky and a concentrated Nazgul. Hell, everyone can lose, and everyone of this final listing can, imo of course, win. I just think that it's more reasonable to assume that Boxer, Yellow, Nazgul or Elky will.

But: I see two lackings in this list. First of all, Fisheye. Second, sVEN. I know that Fisheye is going, and he's an awesome player online, and has proven himself live as well. I seriously think he can be a wildcard, together with sVEN, if he's going. Not many of you, I guess, know of sVEN - he's Slayer's friend and in my view not the follower of him, but his replacer. sVEN is *very* good if he just gets his act together.

So there you go.

Liquid`Nazgul

22427 Posts

October 16 2002 02:47 GMT

#33

I think everyone knows sVEN, but those people also know that Norway doesn't have a WCG

ToKoreaWithLove

Norway10161 Posts

October 16 2002 04:33 GMT

#34

what the fuck is junwi and oddy doing all down there? Junwi just beat up ElkY and Xellos, not to mention Nal_Ra and a ton of other gosus in the preelims. Oddy finished 4th at NATE, and are now qualified for yet another staleague.

RedMeat

United Kingdom490 Posts

October 16 2002 05:39 GMT

#35

I was using the WCG Cananda games as an example of his skill as they weren't even close, he comprehensively destroyed everyone he played. Sure they weren't that good but he showed he's not playing at anything like the same level as they are, I didn't say he would win but he showed some skills and you can never completely dismiss someone that's been around for that long. I'm hoping he'll do quite well, that's all

Born)Slippy

Norway1904 Posts

October 16 2002 08:48 GMT

#36

Nal_ra and Xellos are both relatively untested (yes, I am aware that Ra has been around for a few months) and I don't feel that you can really determine a players skill based on beating them. Elky, on the other hand, is quite a feat, but unless Junwi can show that he can consistently beat people like Boxer and Yellow, I'm not buying into him. I've already posted my thoughts on Oddy.

Redmeat: I never said he wasn't skilled, that would be an idiotic statement. I don't feel he can pull anything off on WCG tho.

Nazgul: Didn't Norway send people aside Slayer last year...? I'm fairly sure sVEN was around in WCG then, or am I completely lost? And as far as I've experienced, a LOT of wannabe know-it-alls hasn't heard of either sVEN or Fisheye, or you for that matter.

RedMeat

United Kingdom490 Posts

October 16 2002 08:57 GMT

#37

You're probably right but me still

Grrrr anyways

. Go Grrrr!

fZ-SolutioN

Canada4 Posts

October 16 2002 11:31 GMT

#38

We cant underestimate Grrrr... Just look at last year in WCG. everyone thought he was old and washed up then but he pulled off a 6-0 record in his pool beating alot of great players. such as sven, maynard, sobad[rush], maddi[pg]
you may have seen some of his recent replays where he has beaten Nada, Elky, kimdongwoo, i remember watching a vod 2-3 months ago of him beating TheMarine. We've seen him take out many top names and for him to do it again wouldnt surprise me. I mean what does he have holding him back? more experience than last year? you might see replays of him bein beaten on battle.net. but does he really try his hardest on bnet? how many times have we seen Grrrr... pull through and win tournies when they count

fZ-SolutioN

Canada4 Posts

October 16 2002 12:10 GMT

#39

I did my research and put together some interesting facts about Grrrr.. and WCG play for him
the last 2 years. Grrrr... is 19-2 in WCG play both in Canada and in Korea.
his 2 losses are once to CQ~2000 (his 2nd 'loss' to 2000 was disqualification due to grrr being late coming back from a talk show.)
and his other loss was one of his games vs Yosh in a best of 3 WCG Canada final last year.
So Grrrr... to me looks like a WCG Emperor!!! Look out.