EPThttp://www.esl-world.net/masters/season6/cologne/news/167823/
yeah these pools are wrong.
IEM Cologne Group of Death?
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Sermokala
United States13925 Posts
http://www.esl-world.net/masters/season6/cologne/news/167823/ yeah these pools are wrong. | ||
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Kaiwa
Netherlands2209 Posts
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netsky4
Austria511 Posts
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thehitman
1105 Posts
Empire.Kas Beastyqt IdrA PuMa http://www.esl-world.net/masters/season6/cologne/news/167823/ Is pool wrong? | ||
FastAce
Bosnia-Herzegovina22 Posts
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
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AirbladeOrange
United States2573 Posts
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Choboo
Sweden2088 Posts
Puma, Mana, Stephano, Sase is easily the best group. The Huk, Tarson and Nerchio group is slightly behind. MC will crush his group unless team Empire BRINGS IT, don't see Idra making it out tbh. Anything could happen tho | ||
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babybell
776 Posts
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Swad1000
United States366 Posts
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CeriseCherries
6170 Posts
Group B is definetly group of death. Sase and Mana are both recently turning up top form, and Stephano is always a badass. Puma is Korean and manhandled most people at NASL and I expect him to take the top spot, but it seems really hard to call who wins what. Group C should see Huk take 1st and Nerchio 2nd (or the other way around) Not really deadly, just hard to call exact order. Group D has Socke who has the potential to come out, but hasn't impressed recently. I see Killer taking it, and assuming by the recent bnet invitationals standards, Select has regained form and can easily take 2nd and challenge for 1st. | ||
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Aven
Netherlands392 Posts
Funny how MC and Idra keep getting matched up | ||
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godemperor
Belgium2043 Posts
On August 15 2011 07:00 sermokala wrote: Are these actuite I'm pretty sure I saw Puma and Idra in the same pool? http://www.esl-world.net/masters/season6/cologne/news/167823/ yeah these pools are wrong. On August 15 2011 07:08 thehitman wrote: Group A Empire.Kas Beastyqt IdrA PuMa http://www.esl-world.net/masters/season6/cologne/news/167823/ Is pool wrong? They switched after MKP dropped out and MC came. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253239 | ||
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TemplarCo.
Mexico2870 Posts
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noname_
456 Posts
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WightyCity
Canada887 Posts
On August 15 2011 07:53 noname_ wrote: None. i agree | ||
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Kaane
Sweden8 Posts
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FryktSkyene
United States1327 Posts
On August 15 2011 07:53 noname_ wrote: None. I agree but I chose mc purely because mc and idra are in there. The only group with 2 "Major" names. | ||
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Mastermind
Canada7096 Posts
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Accidentus
59 Posts
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iKlutz
United Kingdom42 Posts
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
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Lewan72
United States381 Posts
 Idra must be like "fuck I'm against MC AGAIN?!" | ||
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red4ce
United States7313 Posts
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
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Neoattitude
Guam172 Posts
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NEgroidZerg
United States244 Posts
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
On August 15 2011 08:08 Accidentus wrote: Pool D. People are voting Pool A because IdrA's overrated. No, people are voting Pool A because of the perceived Idra vs MC rivalry and are not looking at current form (both Idra and MC slumping) but at overall past results (i.e. two of the top 5 most decorated players). | ||
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Nfi
United States357 Posts
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Jinivus
747 Posts
On August 15 2011 09:19 Nfi wrote: MC is not in group A he isn't even in the tournament... Replaced MKP like people have said 5 times. Even though MC is slumping a bit in korea, if he plays anything like he did at NASL finals he will destroy his group so hard, bit of a mismatch TBH. So group of death is deifnitely D. | ||
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knyttym
United States5797 Posts
MC about equal to Puma judging solely from NASL and MC's current struggles. Mana, stephano, and sase are at least equal to kas/idra if not above a level. Beastyqt don't know much about him but judging by his recent record, he isn't on the same level as the other 5. | ||
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Ammanas
Slovakia2166 Posts
I mean... Puma obviously Korean, NASL winner, favourite not only of this group, but of the entire tournament, but... Stephano: top 3 EU (and possibly EU+NA) zerg - only competition for him is Dimaga, Idra, Morrow, Nerchio, Sen and Ret. But, recent form is in favor of Stephano, only Ret and Dimaga may be better right now. I saw him @ Assembly summer, really genius play, falling only to Dimaga in best ZvZ I saw in pretty long time. I wouldn't be surprised if he toke a game from Puma, maybe even whole set! Next up - SaSe: Great player, practicing in Korea for last week, surely he has learned something in that week. Also, he is great overall and he could fight for the top spot in any other group, but this one I don't think so... But we will see, he is surely capable of taking games off his opponents. And last but not least - MaNa: He's in such great form lately, second at Assembly, third at IPL (although I don't know when were these games played), already qualified for IEM China... And he is the best Protoss in the EU/NA in PvT imho (yes, even better than HuK/Naniwa) fully capable of beating Korean terran (MaNa vs Nada anyone?). If Puma won't play 1-1-1 vs him, I just don't think he could lose. This will be "upset" for many, not for me though. Of course, 1-1-1 (with no mistakes from terran) can't be defended, so it's up to Puma if he decides to play fair games or just win... So yeah... group of death it is. | ||
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Aurdon
United States2007 Posts
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samd
United States77 Posts
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fant0m
964 Posts
On August 15 2011 08:58 NEgroidZerg wrote: Ya'll are crazy Nerchio is a BEAST Exactly. Group C = group of death! | ||
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TheTurk
United States732 Posts
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ptrpb
Canada753 Posts
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ZergMaestro
United States169 Posts
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SafeAsCheese
United States4924 Posts
On August 15 2011 10:30 samd wrote: How the hell is the MC-Idra group ahead of "Puma, Mana, Stephano, Sase"??? I can't understand it at all. Because Kas and Beastyqt are not worth noting to you? | ||
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corpsepose
1678 Posts
in all other respects its puma's group | ||
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ELlminator1
Australia344 Posts
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El_Deuz
Mexico71 Posts
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paradox_
Canada270 Posts
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Marou
Germany1371 Posts
On August 15 2011 08:04 Kaane wrote: People are wrong. Sase, Stephano, Mana and Puma is the group of death by far. i have to agree one this, all of those players are in a "hot" period and are chopping nerd heads left and right, this is were the shit is | ||
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Fig
United States1324 Posts
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Eisenheim
France229 Posts
Stephano is clearly in Top 5 Z world (except Korea) | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
With that said I went with Puma, Mana, Stephano and Sase. If anyone of these guys decides to show up it's lights out. A close second would be HuK, Nerchio, Tarson and Moonglade. Only reason why I didn't select the last one is because I haven't seen Moonglade in action for a while, so he's a bit of a unknown factor for me. On August 15 2011 08:08 FryktSkyene wrote: I agree but I chose mc purely because mc and idra are in there. The only group with 2 "Major" names.  | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10333 Posts
i mean, if there was really a group of death, i think opinion on it would be pretty unanimous o.o | ||
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Spicy Pepper
United States632 Posts
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Spicy Pepper
United States632 Posts
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insomdapowahouz
Canada58 Posts
any of them could take this tourny | ||
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castled
United States322 Posts
And I don't mean to belittle the other players, but the koreans (inc. huk) are playing at another level still. | ||
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Archerylady
277 Posts
stephano > idra mana > kas/beastyqt sase training in korea The answer is obvious!  | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
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AnxiousHippo
Australia1451 Posts
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koolaid1990
831 Posts
On August 15 2011 12:21 Eisenheim wrote: Puma, Mana, Stephano & Sase ! Stephano is clearly in Top 5 Z world (except Korea) Dimaga, Nerchio, Sen, Ret, Morrow - in no particular order I would put either stephano, sheth, or idra at 6th. Stephano is good, but he has yet to prove himself in a big tourney. | ||
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ZergMaestro
United States169 Posts
The closest group in terms of being closely matched in skill is Killer, Select, Socke, Diestar. | ||
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SpaNkinG
Turkey89 Posts
anyone of these could win the tournament! | ||
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sVnteen
Germany2238 Posts
On August 15 2011 08:08 FryktSkyene wrote: I agree but I chose mc purely because mc and idra are in there. The only group with 2 "Major" names. not really !? i mean in group 1 there is obviously idra and mc but in group 2 there are Puma Mana AND Stephano (stephano is not like a super big name yet but he is sooooooooooo good) then in group3 there are Huk and nerchio (nothing to say about those i guess) and in group 4 there are Killer Select AND Socke which are not doing to well recently but still big names | ||
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Eisenheim
France229 Posts
On August 15 2011 15:43 koolaid1990 wrote: Dimaga, Nerchio, Sen, Ret, Morrow - in no particular order I would put either stephano, sheth, or idra at 6th. Stephano is good, but he has yet to prove himself in a big tourney. I Agree for Dimaga but Ret/Sen ? Really ? IdrA doesn't make anything in USA for the moment, Sheth, make 1 final and you say "Sheth ? TOP Z" Look the lan assembly, Stephano > Sen and Epic match on Tal'Darim vs Dimaga. | ||
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DrNo
Denmark64 Posts
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fenX
France127 Posts
On August 15 2011 14:07 Spicy Pepper wrote: Poland is really representing in this one. Yeah, that's surprising, usually you see more sweden and germany flags, only one of each there. Voted for group D with Stephano/Mana/Sase/Puma, I think it will be the closest group. All of them are good players and all in good shape recently. Stephano is really strong in ZvT and ZvZ, probably even better than most korean zergs except DRG and Nestea, I think he can beat Puma, but I'm not sure about his ZvP and there are 2 protoss in the group. Mana and Sase have a chance against Puma too, even a small chance, depend on the mappool I think. And then PvP is still quite random. Anyone can take the group. Anyway about Stephano he is probably top5 for his ZvT and ZvZ, maybe not top5 overall because of his ZvP yet, but keep in mind he is only 17 and already plays very smart and calm, this kid will be top5 for the next 10 years if he keeps playing. For all other groups I see 2 players taking top top2 easily, so no group of death. Group A : MC and Kas, Group B : Socke and Select, Group C : Huk and Nerchio | ||
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
I see a clear favourite in each group, a likely runner-up and two underdogs. | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
MC,Kas Puma;Stephano Huk,Nerchio Socke,Killer | ||
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paradox_
Canada270 Posts
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Razakel
Ireland466 Posts
Some GSL spoilers about MC if you haven't watched his latest GSL games (GSL August) don't click). + Show Spoiler + MC getting his ass handed to him by MVP and Noblesse respectively, with two good Terran's in his group, we could be seeing the two time GSL champion fall into a bit of a slump. Also when he was called out as the Ace for oGs, he was beaten fairly soundly by Revival in GSTL. Note: I'm not badmouthing MC, he's likely the best SC2 Protoss, but you have to admit, recent history isn't going in his favour. With all that in mind I picked Puma, Mana, Stephano and Sase. I think a lot of people will predict Puma to take that group, but Sase's PvT is amazing and Mana has been showing great performance in the IPL. Stephano is also a stellar Zerg, and I think this tournament will really show off his skill. Anyway, those are my picks and this ended up being a lot longer than I originally planned ^_^ | ||
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zul
Germany5427 Posts
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SamsLiST
Germany184 Posts
wtf, the Gracken alone is more than enough Drama for one group -.- ________________ I have my money on Stephano and Nerchio, sick potential and way underratet E: my hope for advances are easy: MC,Kas Puma;Stephano Huk,Nerchio Socke,Killer agree on the most part, but I suppose MC is gonna have a harder time fighting those 2 Terrans than Idra does (due to meatagame issues, not Skill:D) | ||
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tmtProdigy
Germany23 Posts
On August 15 2011 08:08 Accidentus wrote: Pool D. People are voting Pool A because IdrA's overrated. Amen. | ||
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Uriah
France54 Posts
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asperger
Sweden1310 Posts
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namste
Finland2292 Posts
Also, I'm calling Kas and Beastyqt to make it out of Pool A. | ||
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AIOL!
France962 Posts
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
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StateAlchemist
France1946 Posts
Tarson fighting, this guy is so nice ! :D | ||
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Therg
Sweden238 Posts
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
Considering the current state of the players, the best group is the Puma group by far. | ||
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NexaS
United States202 Posts
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voy
Poland348 Posts
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Asha
United Kingdom38253 Posts
Puma is an incredible terran, but we don't know much about how he's playing lately, if he tried to qualify for Code A he failed again. Mana is in perhaps the form of his career with awesome performances in the IPL and Assembly. Stephano is one of the hottest Zergs on the planet, and perhaps the fastest improving player around. Sase is a beastly protoss fresh off a runners up spot at the CPL, and while I doubt his time in Korea is paying off just yet, he'll definitely be highly motivated going into this. All 4 of them are awesome, and they all perform well in a LAN setting. Group A is close behind; but MC and Idra aren't currently the forces they once were, Kas is still struggling to bring in consistent results at LAN events, and beastyqt is perhaps a level below still. | ||
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kethers
United States719 Posts
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zeenix1
Sweden89 Posts
MaNa and SaSe has become European powerhouses (in Europe) and Stephano is the brightest up and coming star right now in impeccable fashion. PuMa I dont know who it is, but he's korean and probably won something to get invited here.. | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
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DailYLeet
Germany827 Posts
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
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Jinivus
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Xenogears
France87 Posts
Gogo Select ! | ||
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PiRate647
Belgium187 Posts
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Baeras
United States140 Posts
http://www.esl-world.net/masters/#/masters/season6/cologne/ MC revisits Europe Unfortunately we have to replace one of our recently announced Korean invites for next week's Global Challenge Cologne. MarineKing won't be able to travel to Germany. Nevertheless, his substitute isn't less popular or successful. Two-time GSL champion MC from SK Gaming and oGs is not only a great addition to our tournament, but will also even out the overall ratio of Protoss and Terran with 6 representatives each. MC won't be placed in group D. He will start in group A and PuMa moves to group D instead, to avoid having two groups with three players of one race. This was done in agreement with all affected players. Group A Empire.Kas Beastyqt IdrA MC Group B Socke DieStar SeleCT Killer Group C Tarson Nerchio mOOnGLaDe HuK Group D Stephano MYMSaSe MaNa PuMa pools are correct and im super excited to see group A Group D is probably gonna be the second most interesting group to watch i see huk taking his group quite easily | ||
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R0YAL
United States1768 Posts
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lunis
Germany104 Posts
On August 16 2011 03:14 R0YAL wrote: Idra got MC again! Well played fate.. Well played.. Idra won't be at IEM http://twitter.com/#!/IntelEM/status/103107015093661696 | ||
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Mellon
Sweden917 Posts
B Isn't that scary really... C If Nerchio plays his best he and Huk should definately advance... Kind of easily aswell. | ||
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obsKura
Ireland1061 Posts
SaSe MaNa PuMa is a pretty scary group - you have to consider that all Stephano, MaNa and SaSe have improved so much within the last couple of months | ||
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The Final Boss
United States1839 Posts
 MC,  IdrA,  Kas, and Beastyqt is a scary group, no doubt--MC is the best Protoss in the world, Kas is one of the best European Terrans despite most of his accomplishments being in smaller tournaments (other than TSL I haven't really seen him deep into any big tournaments), Beastyqt is a good player, but not quite as well known as the other members of the group, and of course: IdrA. Everybody's favorite player to hate and one of the best Zergs in the world. I was pretty certain I would vote that group (IdrA+MC how is that not a scary group), but then I saw another group that caught my eye and struck fear into my heart:PuMa, MaNa, Stephano, SaSe. Holy crap. First off, the gentlemanly Korean President Terran himself. I don't know who else watched all his matches at NASL or his play in the GSTL (before EG stole him, just kidding, but seriously), but that dude is a sick-baller-nerd (alternatively if you don't speak Tastosis that means really, really, good). MaNa is an especially good Protoss player who I don't think ever got super far in tournaments because his PvZ was so weak compared to his other match-ups (not InCa weak, but certainly weak). That being said, recently, MaNa's PvZ has been exceptionally well played:+ Show Spoiler + Stephano is definitely one of the top Zergs outside of Korea. Better than IdrA? That one is hard to say but he certainly has better composure than IdrA; so while a IdrA playing at his best might be a better player than Stephano, if it comes down to the crunch time in a tournament, and MC just calmly types "are you angry?" I can't see IdrA playing as well as the Frenchman, Stephano. Then SaSe, another great European Protoss player who has been training in Korea. I think that his time in Korea will allow him to prepare super well for this tournament and be even scarier of a competitor than he usually is. And that is why I voted for PuMa, MaNa, Stephano, and SaSe's group, because while IdrA, MC, Kas, and Beastyqt has the most votes, I think that's mainly because it has two of the most popular players. MC vs IdrA definitely has the potential to be a great set so long as IdrA doesn't decide to randomly rage quit unpredictably, but overall PuMa vs MaNa will be a great match, and PuMa vs Stephano, and PuMa vs SaSe, and MaNa vs Stephano, and Stephano vs SaSe. Yeah basically all the matches are going to be awesome (minus PvP haha). | ||
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00Visor
4337 Posts
Puma, Mana, Stephano, Sase | ||
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Contagious
United States1319 Posts
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onedayclose
United States1145 Posts
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Techno
1900 Posts
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PartyBiscuit
Canada4525 Posts
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Ouga
Finland645 Posts
I don't see Idra as even favorite to get out of group. People are ofc interested in seeing yet another match between idra and MC and thus voting, but I don't think there's anything very deadly about that group. MC has turned out to be beatable lately, beasty is new star when it comes to LANs and idra has done a bit poorly too. They're all good, but without a doubt puma's group currently has way more effectiveness. | ||
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ELESSAR
Bulgaria173 Posts
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DanCaek
Lebanon71 Posts
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virpi
Germany3598 Posts
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
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Swiftly
Iceland160 Posts
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mnck
Denmark1518 Posts
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Fatze
Germany1342 Posts
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Idnan
54 Posts
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RouaF
France4120 Posts
Shouldn't the poll be remade ? | ||
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The Storm
United States1 Post
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nucLeaRTV
Romania822 Posts
Beasty is also a great Terran player, very under rated. | ||
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Tassix
Canada26 Posts
To me a group of death should include at least one player higher than exit slots, in this case 3, that have a fairly high likelihood of winning the tournament. This would require something like a MC/Huk/Puma group. | ||
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Ryka
United Kingdom254 Posts
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
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thOr6136
Slovenia1775 Posts
On August 17 2011 04:28 The KY wrote: Anyone who didn't vote 'Puma, Mana, Stephano, Sase' is fucking insane. Puma is Puma. Mana has been on a tear, and shows up to these things and just crushes them. Stephano is an increasingly incredible zerg. Sase is a real talent. I can see all of these players as contenders for the top spot(s), don't get that in the other groups. Hah i was thinking exactly the same | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
Huk's group can surprise and I hope Nerchio and Tarson go through, but favourites are Huk and Nerchio. MC will crush his group Kas should go 2nd. Select and Killer in whatever order from their group, but I hope Socke will surprise and his PvP was good, hopefully still is. From group D I hope for Stephano and Mana, but unless Mana cheeses PuMa I fear it won't happen so probably PuMa, Stephano. | ||
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Xanwi
United Kingdom114 Posts
Yep, I'd say it's the only group impossible to predict. | ||
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CycoDude
United States326 Posts
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Disdain
Denmark26 Posts
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On August 17 2011 16:51 Disdain wrote: Group D: Stephano, MaNa, SaSe & MKP - how is group A voted higher? Seriously. Yeah, especially with IdrA not even in group A anymore... | ||
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dcemuser
United States3248 Posts
There's no way you could honestly think ALL FOUR players in that group are as close in skill as Group D. Edit: And now the group A votes look even more silly after Idra withdrew, rofl. | ||
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kabar
United States616 Posts
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nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
On August 17 2011 16:51 Disdain wrote: Group D: Stephano, MaNa, SaSe & MKP - how is group A voted higher? Seriously. yeah... usually these polls are very spot on but damn this group is so much death ^_^ | ||
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LaughingTulkas
United States1107 Posts
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TopStarcraft
United States13 Posts
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SolidMustard
France1515 Posts
On August 15 2011 08:08 Accidentus wrote: Pool D. People are voting Pool A because IdrA's overrated. +1, looks like if you want to be seen as a good player, what you have to do is repeat that you are one all the time, and never win any events  | ||
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landaishan
Australia104 Posts
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Aftershock912
United States15 Posts
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NightHawk929
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L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
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Ariandrise
United States3 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
Too many fan boys! Nerchio and Tarson do it again. Guess I should have trusted Moonglade to bring some smoke and mirrors after all even though he made several bad decisions his play was unique and shit he pulled some stuff off nicely. | ||
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Tuthur
France985 Posts
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Sluggy
United States128 Posts
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PresenceSc2
Australia4032 Posts
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Mr Showtime
United States1353 Posts
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Gnax
Sweden490 Posts
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Swad1000
United States366 Posts
On August 15 2011 07:32 Swad1000 wrote: Socke gonna go 700-0 and rip some nerd hearts out this tournament. Hope he wins this one and gets some more recognition. Well I was right about him getting more fans. PvPs a bitch. | ||
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Seldentar
United States888 Posts
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AIOL!
France962 Posts
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ejozl
Denmark3379 Posts
Puma>MC, MaNa>Idra, Stephano=Kas, Sase>BeastyqtIMO! | ||
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tallbus1
United States74 Posts
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darlhet
Italy548 Posts
On August 23 2011 08:33 tallbus1 wrote: Lol Why would anyone say Puma's group, Puma is fucking terrible. MaNa will easily take that group. MC or IdrA could rape anyone in that group on a good day well PUMa raped MC at NASL and he could easly rape every foreigner (yes Idra even on a good day is no match for him , sorry fans  ) the only one that could be a threat him is MaNa whose PVT is quite beastly | ||
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tallbus1
United States74 Posts
On August 23 2011 20:23 darlhet wrote: well PUMa raped MC at NASL and he could easly rape every foreigner (yes Idra even on a good day is no match for him , sorry fans ) the only one that could be a threat him is MaNa whose PVT is quite beastlySo Puma got lucky against MC, that doesnt mean he wouldn't get raped by a competent Protoss or Zerg EASILY | ||
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