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On October 31 2010 22:01 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 15:29 TwoToneTerran wrote:Why do people keep listing people who perform worse than Stats over Stats.  Because I have yet to see anyone other than KT tags support him. Also, I really didn't find too many of his wins impressive. He's a good player with potential, but not good enough.
I am totally a Stats fan.
There's so few constant players.
Stats is a player who might have a few problems against S-class (JD, Flash, ..) and upper A but he wont lose to some scrub.
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On October 31 2010 23:47 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 22:01 Lightwip wrote:On October 31 2010 15:29 TwoToneTerran wrote:Why do people keep listing people who perform worse than Stats over Stats. Because I have yet to see anyone other than KT tags support him. Also, I really didn't find too many of his wins impressive. He's a good player with potential, but not good enough. I am totally a Stats fan. There's so few constant players. Stats is a player who might have a few problems against S-class (JD, Flash, ..) and upper A but he wont lose to some scrub.
The thing is, that's simply not true. I really wasn't impressed when he lost to Hydra and Clam when that really should never happen. And I think that he hasn't made up for that yet.
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PvZ is still the most unfair matchup in the game. You can't really blame Stats for that when nobody besides Bisu can do it consistently.
Not saying that Stats absolutely needs to be in the PR, but he deserves it a ton more than Best who has been predictably hyped up to all hell just to fail again.
This is not just based on a few games from this season. He has been overall more solid than Best going back to last season.
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On November 01 2010 00:01 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 23:47 SuperArc wrote:On October 31 2010 22:01 Lightwip wrote:On October 31 2010 15:29 TwoToneTerran wrote:Why do people keep listing people who perform worse than Stats over Stats. Because I have yet to see anyone other than KT tags support him. Also, I really didn't find too many of his wins impressive. He's a good player with potential, but not good enough. I am totally a Stats fan. There's so few constant players. Stats is a player who might have a few problems against S-class (JD, Flash, ..) and upper A but he wont lose to some scrub. The thing is, that's simply not true. I really wasn't impressed when he lost to Hydra and Clam when that really should never happen. And I think that he hasn't made up for that yet.
Stats loses two disappointing series and everyone forgets all the sick games he played against Effort, and Zero, and his most recent loss against Jaedong was very close.
Superarc: I didn't bring up Snow because I don't care about Snow. It's your job, as a Snow fan, to bring up Snow!
Anyhow Stats has been very good for quite awhile and whenever he puts on a solid month people still want to put the likes of Zero and shit above him. Stats is in both leagues and has picked up ace duties for KT on the side. Even his losses look pretty solid. He's got the history for putting him back on the PR to not be too radical a shift. >:
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I'd be fine with  Stats being at the bottom of the PR. But if I had to decide between Stats and Snow, and I'd go with the latter. I think Snow plays both worse and better than Stats. When Snow is sucking, he looks like he should be back in Dreamleague. But when he is playing top notch he controls the game better than Stats imo. So I'd give Snow more "power" since S and A class players have a higher chance of getting outplayed against him, imo.
If we exclude  Neo.G_Soulkey from the PR and have both Stats and Snow, it be all Protoss except* Flash, JD, and Sea. I think it's too early to be calling it another Protoss age.
*Still not buying Light and Fantasy in the top 10. Besides Light's excellent game over JD, he hasn't shown much power, especially losing in the OSL Prelims. At least Best has a winning SPL record. I think Light only has a shot at getting past the MSL Ro32 if he gets a group with at least 2 Zergs.
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That would work except for BeSt. I'm a huge BeSt fan too (my favorite SKT player by far), but while his proleague run has been impresive so far (minus the loss to Sea, which was still a very good game) dropping out of both leagues in the prelims does count quite a bit. I still say Orion played incredible in that series and BeSt's PvZ being what it is didn't help, but there is no justification in dropping to Han 2-0.
Jangbi has been failing pretty hard for a while now. I guess when FBH left for ACE Jangbi took over the bad mojo in KHAN.
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i miss fakesteve's PRs
they were so entertaining and biased!
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Nobody who fails to make either league should be on PR, unless they are just absolutely annihilating everyone in PL (which Best isn't ... honestly his PL performance has been overhyped since he beat Flash which feels like 5 wins to people).
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So many protosses omg O___O
considering how dominate flash was, its surprising now terrans are using his strategies and stepping it up O__O flash too hax.
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and there goes Snow and Stats' spots...
see TTT, this is why Stats is never on the PR, he always decides to lose at the end of the month 
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On November 01 2010 00:21 SimonB wrote:
PvZ is still the most unfair matchup in the game. You can't really blame Stats for that when nobody besides Bisu can do it consistently.
the stats disagree, PvZ seem to be the most fair matchup
2010-2011 Shinhan Bank Proleague
TvZ: 14-7 (66.7%) [ Games ]
ZvP: 15-9 (62.5%) [ Games ]
PvT: 20-6 (76.9%) [ Games ]
anyways, for sure
flash, jaedong, bisu, NGsoulkey will be on PR
turn, brave are both 4-0 and ahead of lots of people, however only one of each players' wins was against anyone notable (turn vs really) and (brave vs stats). these two should definitely be at least and at most CNBC
sea is 4-1, but his only notable win was against best. imo sea should be at bottom of PR or CNBC (for losing to :ozerg). same with forgg, only notable win is against a slumping baby, so he should be behind sea.
best is 3-1, with wins against hoejja, flash and free and lost to sea, and should be at least 7-8 imo. he played very well against flash, free and sea.
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On November 01 2010 23:34 saltywet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 00:21 SimonB wrote:
PvZ is still the most unfair matchup in the game. You can't really blame Stats for that when nobody besides Bisu can do it consistently.
the stats disagree, PvZ seem to be the most fair matchup 2010-2011 Shinhan Bank Proleague TvZ: 14-7 (66.7%) [ Games ] ZvP: 15-9 (62.5%) [ Games ] PvT: 20-6 (76.9%) [ Games ] anyways, for sure flash, jaedong, bisu, NGsoulkey will be on PR turn, brave are both 4-0 and ahead of lots of people, however only one of each players' wins was against anyone notable (turn vs really) and (brave vs stats). these two should definitely be at least and at most CNBC sea is 4-1, but his only notable win was against best. imo sea should be at bottom of PR or CNBC (for losing to :ozerg). same with forgg, only notable win is against a slumping baby, so he should be behind sea. best is 3-1, with wins against hoejja, flash and free and lost to sea, and should be at least 7-8 imo. he played very well against flash, free and sea.
best lost in the offlines, no way he deserves a rank higher than 10
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I keep my previous PR as it was. Not stats failure nor flash dominance over stork surprised me.
But turn and brave O.o luckily (?) both dropped out of both leagues so CNBC is max they get.
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why is everyone talking about best as legitimate candidate for pr??
he lost 2 bo3 to mediocre players
and 2 months from now we will stop a moment and ask wait a minute where is best and we will remember ahhhh
maybe cnbc
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Canada2480 Posts
remove Best and insert zero (no bias) in my opinion
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On November 02 2010 11:31 swanized wrote:remove Best and insert zero (no bias) in my opinion
At best he deserves Kwanro's spot, but he isn't so impressive.
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I'd say give Turn and/or Brave at least a low rank, since they're both undefeated on a team that hasn't been performing well lately. Especially since very few players are playing that well atm, any win is a good win.
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