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Thoughts on JD vs Flash in OSL Ro8?

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LordWeird
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3411 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-21 13:23:59
December 21 2009 13:23 GMT
#1
I personally don't care when they play.

edit: as long as they play
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Belano
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden657 Posts
December 21 2009 13:27 GMT
#2
Yeah, though game 1 was disappointing imo. We'll see what they have in store for us in week 2. I also think that it's kind of boring that the first set is played one week earlier than the next ones. Oh well, It's still JD vs Flash =)
Bring back 1 supply roaches.
538
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Hungary3932 Posts
December 21 2009 13:43 GMT
#3
I'm somewhat disappointed that this is a Bo3 only, with different drawing they definitely were in the shape to meet up later on too.
BW fighting!
ThePhan2m
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Norway2751 Posts
December 21 2009 13:50 GMT
#4
I love it, though it would've been nicer with a Bo5
Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
December 21 2009 13:52 GMT
#5
Hopefully they can reverse the trend they started in the 1st game.
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
December 21 2009 13:56 GMT
#6
Maybe this will inspire the OSL to go the way of the MSL, and decide Ro8 placement by KeSPA rank.
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Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
December 21 2009 13:58 GMT
#7
Too bad they meet this early, this would be worthy of a final. The one who wins this is the favorite to win the tournament.

It sucks that the games are distributed over 2 weeks.
LucasWoJ
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States936 Posts
December 21 2009 14:08 GMT
#8
I wish they played a BO5. Those two really should not have met so early in the tournament.
"Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are it could have been." - Kurt Vonnegut
Titusmaster6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5937 Posts
December 21 2009 14:08 GMT
#9
I think it's awesome, why would anyone not want to see them play???
Shorts down shorts up, BOOM, just like that.
wadadde
Profile Joined February 2009
270 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-21 14:35:42
December 21 2009 14:31 GMT
#10
A question for the poll makers :
Don't you think the order of the possible answers influences the polls. This particular poll is definitely not a great example of a biased result, but I kinda noticed it in some of the previous ones. Would it be possible to randomize the order in which the answers are presented?
Just a thought.

edit : just to be clear, in a 'best to worst' scenario randomizing is obviously stupid unless you just reverse it to 'worst to best' half of the time.
3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
December 21 2009 14:35 GMT
#11
On December 21 2009 22:56 JWD wrote:
Maybe this will inspire the OSL to go the way of the MSL, and decide Ro8 placement by KeSPA rank.

That's a bit unfair imo to the group winners.
But perhaps the group winners vs 2nd places by Kespa rank would be fair.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-21 14:50:28
December 21 2009 14:48 GMT
#12
the 2 meeting each other is awesome but the format is horrible.
I would prefer a BO5 on good maps, and we get this split bo3 shit with the good zerg map being the last one, which is just one more sign that this epic encounter ends in a 2-0 trashing and 1million FLashfanboys orgasming and shitting half of the TL threads with it, and opening 20 additional threads and blogs about it,

So i gone with the This sucks so much, I hate OSL.
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meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
December 21 2009 14:59 GMT
#13
Jaedong getting owned in game 1 was just painful to watch.
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
December 21 2009 15:19 GMT
#14
On December 21 2009 22:56 JWD wrote:
Maybe this will inspire the OSL to go the way of the MSL, and decide Ro8 placement by KeSPA rank.
Why should it =/ this seasons Ro8 is amazing. + Show Spoiler +
And so far Jaedong isn't looking nearly as strong as say Zero is

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Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
December 21 2009 15:25 GMT
#15
It depends, I guess. If it results in a Flash vs Stork finals, then awesome.

If Stork gets knocked out by Shine (wtffffffff) and it results in something stupid like Flash vs Shine finals, then GOD, WHY?!?

JD and Flash appear poised to have another, more epic showdown in MSL, anyway. Probably a Bo5, there.


On December 21 2009 23:48 Geo.Rion wrote:
the 2 meeting each other is awesome but the format is horrible.
I would prefer a BO5 on good maps, and we get this split bo3 shit with the good zerg map being the last one, which is just one more sign that this epic encounter ends in a 2-0 trashing and 1million FLashfanboys orgasming and shitting half of the TL threads with it, and opening 20 additional threads and blogs about it,

So i gone with the This sucks so much, I hate OSL.

Map excuses are pretty poor form, here.

Fighting Spirit

Was 6-5 TvZ before JD vs Flash. Equal numbers of T and Z mirrors played on it.

Heartbreak Ridge

New HBR is too new to draw meaningful stats from, but old HBR was extremely balanced TvZ by the stats, and had more than twice as many ZvZs as TvTs played on it in PL.

Eye of the Storm

Zerg favored.

If JD can't get a win on either of the first two maps, then he would have lost the series 2-1 even if Eye of the Storm was the first map in the order (and assuming he won on it), so it doesn't matter.
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Kyuki
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden1867 Posts
December 21 2009 16:48 GMT
#16
On December 22 2009 00:19 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2009 22:56 JWD wrote:
Maybe this will inspire the OSL to go the way of the MSL, and decide Ro8 placement by KeSPA rank.
Why should it =/ this seasons Ro8 is amazing. + Show Spoiler +
And so far Jaedong isn't looking nearly as strong as say Zero is


What makes you say that? His 4-game loosing streak before he won vs Peace?

I'm not saying said player is bad, I really like him myself, but saying that he doesnt look as strong as the other said player confuses me abit.
Mada Mada Dane
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
December 21 2009 17:00 GMT
#17
How is HBR and Fighting Spirit bad for Zerg. They seemed actually quite balanced and according to Flash they are "good for Zerg". Since Flash is so open about balance/imbalance issues in his interviews (saying that Match Point favouring Terran, and Ulitmatum is Terran friendly map) I trust him.


Nal_rAwr
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2611 Posts
December 21 2009 18:14 GMT
#18
GOGO FLASH

look at all these fans disappointed at how early Jaedong will be dropping out lol
Nony is Bonjwa
SynC[gm]
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States3127 Posts
December 21 2009 19:40 GMT
#19
Haha, funny choice: "This sucks so much, I hate OSL"

Funny...
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GW.Methos
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States249 Posts
December 21 2009 20:19 GMT
#20
YES!
i.pwn.n00bs
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
December 21 2009 20:39 GMT
#21
Awesome! Jaedong vs. Flash!!

^^^
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51686 Posts
December 21 2009 21:10 GMT
#22
it's flash vs jaedong.
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SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
December 21 2009 21:33 GMT
#23
split bo3, disgusting
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skronch
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2717 Posts
December 21 2009 21:51 GMT
#24
it deserves a bo5
Cpadolf
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden1199 Posts
December 21 2009 22:56 GMT
#25
It's great that they meet and all, but a split Bo3 is the least epic series possible, so I'm quite disappointed. Their meeting really deserved to be a non split bo5 which I hope the MSL will eventually give us.
Robinsa
Profile Joined May 2009
Japan1333 Posts
December 21 2009 23:26 GMT
#26
This is indeed great but as mentioned above, Bo5 would be better.
4649!!
ForTheSwarm
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States556 Posts
December 21 2009 23:56 GMT
#27
Why are so many people in the poll so happy to see Flash vs. JD in the Ro8?!?!?!?

This is a hundred times more final worthy than Calm vs. Kwanro, ha ha.
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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
December 22 2009 00:06 GMT
#28
Split Bo3 in the Ro8 instead of Bo5 in the finals makes me a sad panda.
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Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
December 22 2009 00:13 GMT
#29
I prefer them meeting now then in the finals.
PangO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Chile1870 Posts
December 22 2009 00:13 GMT
#30
lol at the poll...
go flash !
In Economics, the majority is always wrong. aka: MattRz
blueblimp
Profile Joined May 2009
Canada297 Posts
December 22 2009 00:59 GMT
#31
I would be much happier if it weren't split. I don't see the point of split BoXs.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
December 22 2009 01:18 GMT
#32
AWESOME JAEDONG VS FLASH YES!
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asl-ninja
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
78 Posts
December 22 2009 01:50 GMT
#33
stork and bisu lose to shine ;d but flash is kewl ;D
Entusman #41 asl-ninja!
BG1
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Canada1550 Posts
December 22 2009 03:29 GMT
#34
Who came up with this retarded splitting idea??
There was once a dream that was Esports. You could only whisper it. Anything more than a whisper and it would vanish... Now is the time to make that dream a reality!
roronoe
Profile Joined May 2009
Canada1527 Posts
December 22 2009 04:34 GMT
#35
Why is this poll here? Okay, I guess its asking how do people feel about them meeting in the ro8 as oppose to later.

I think it really doesn't matter, game quality is the only thing that matters. And so far based on game one, I'm disappointed (but impressed). I still have hope for the other two games though..since the maps are better for zerg than fighting spirit.
The Purgatory of Endless Depths
Apex
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States7227 Posts
December 22 2009 05:53 GMT
#36
Just glad that they even managed to meet.

Sure, if they were on different sides of the bracket, maybe they have an opportunity to meet. But really, there are too many extenuating circumstances that could prevent a meeting. For example, Flash or Jaedong could get knocked out before even reaching the Finals/Semi-finals. Then, Flash v. Jaedong never happens at all. Just look at what happens in all the opportunities Bisu v. Jaedong could have happened. Most of the time, one or the other would get knocked out and deprive any chance to see the particular matchup.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-22 07:30:14
December 22 2009 07:26 GMT
#37
On December 22 2009 00:25 Hinanawi wrote:
It depends, I guess. If it results in a Flash vs Stork finals, then awesome.

If Stork gets knocked out by Shine (wtffffffff) and it results in something stupid like Flash vs Shine finals, then GOD, WHY?!?

JD and Flash appear poised to have another, more epic showdown in MSL, anyway. Probably a Bo5, there.


Show nested quote +
On December 21 2009 23:48 Geo.Rion wrote:
the 2 meeting each other is awesome but the format is horrible.
I would prefer a BO5 on good maps, and we get this split bo3 shit with the good zerg map being the last one, which is just one more sign that this epic encounter ends in a 2-0 trashing and 1million FLashfanboys orgasming and shitting half of the TL threads with it, and opening 20 additional threads and blogs about it,

So i gone with the This sucks so much, I hate OSL.

Map excuses are pretty poor form, here.

Fighting Spirit

Was 6-5 TvZ before JD vs Flash. Equal numbers of T and Z mirrors played on it.

Heartbreak Ridge

New HBR is too new to draw meaningful stats from, but old HBR was extremely balanced TvZ by the stats, and had more than twice as many ZvZs as TvTs played on it in PL.

Eye of the Storm

Zerg favored.

If JD can't get a win on either of the first two maps, then he would have lost the series 2-1 even if Eye of the Storm was the first map in the order (and assuming he won on it), so it doesn't matter.

I wonder how could you miss my point this badly. I'm not blaming the maps for JD's possible failiure, what i say is this: We could have 4-5 games if that would be a correct bo5, now we have most likely 2, and if you take into consideration how JD blows away the first games 80%of the time, we're down to HBR, on which JD had been struggling lately, giving Flash the opporunity to take this series with less than 50 units lost. Maybe if we'd have a statwise Zerg favorable map as the 2nd on which JD won htis far, and HBR as third, there would be a really good chanse to see an epic 3rd game, regardless of the results (BTW quit throwin out the term Zerg-favored or toss-map or whatever, you clearly do not have a clue, if it'd happen that terrans win 5 games on it in a row, it would become a T map for you (And not only for you, i read countless time that X is a Protoss map, than 1 month later it ws a Zerg map, even in OSL writeups though i wouldnt swear on it). As long as you're not a pro analyzer use the stats with dignity and do not make conclutions. It might happen that indeed it is, but still, with 11 games on it i wont hurry to decide.)
And i clearly don't like that, given the alternative. The fact that i cheer for JD and against FLash doesnt have to do anything with this.
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Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
December 22 2009 08:38 GMT
#38
I hope for a gg
Silentness
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2821 Posts
December 22 2009 08:38 GMT
#39
The way Flash beat Jaedong Game 1... it made Flash look like this will be a very one sided matchup, but then again Jaedong loses a lot of Game 1s. My money is on Flash though!
GL HF... YOLO..lololollol.
Mooncat
Profile Joined October 2007
Germany1228 Posts
December 22 2009 10:46 GMT
#40
Awesome!!! Flash raping Jaedong!!!
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Kuzmorgo
Profile Joined May 2009
Hungary1058 Posts
December 22 2009 11:26 GMT
#41
i think a

"Great!! JD vs Flash!! Match of the century!! But they should have changed the rules, and make it a BO5 and let them prepare for a month. Just for this one match..."

option would have been necesary.
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dibban
Profile Joined July 2008
Sweden1279 Posts
December 22 2009 14:05 GMT
#42
perfect TvZ is imba.
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Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6183 Posts
December 22 2009 14:33 GMT
#43
yeah!! flash imba no matter on what maps, jaedong has no chance vs him at this time. flash is too good atm.
DeViOuS
Profile Joined December 2009
United States22 Posts
December 22 2009 14:40 GMT
#44
Better luck next time.
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Foreplay
Profile Joined May 2008
United States1154 Posts
December 22 2009 16:41 GMT
#45
come on jaedong!! you can do iiiit!
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Kinky
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States4126 Posts
December 22 2009 17:00 GMT
#46
The choices just got better as I went down the list
GGYouMake
Profile Joined July 2009
United States69 Posts
December 22 2009 18:46 GMT
#47
i can beat Jaedong IRL easily and Flash at the same time!
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
December 23 2009 01:38 GMT
#48
On December 22 2009 01:48 Kyuki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2009 00:19 Plexa wrote:
On December 21 2009 22:56 JWD wrote:
Maybe this will inspire the OSL to go the way of the MSL, and decide Ro8 placement by KeSPA rank.
Why should it =/ this seasons Ro8 is amazing. + Show Spoiler +
And so far Jaedong isn't looking nearly as strong as say Zero is


What makes you say that? His 4-game loosing streak before he won vs Peace?

I'm not saying said player is bad, I really like him myself, but saying that he doesnt look as strong as the other said player confuses me abit.
Just compare their respective games against Flash
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ColdLava
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Canada1673 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-23 04:24:23
December 23 2009 04:17 GMT
#49
You're judging players by one game?

I mean, Jaedong made a few poor decisions in that one game vs Flash but there's so many different things (even things like dumb pure luck) that factor in to one game that I think it's best to reserve your judgement on the state of a player at the moment :S Or rather, it's better to judge on the whole OSL instead of one game where he basically fucked up in a lot of different ways.
Mooncat
Profile Joined October 2007
Germany1228 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-23 09:04:42
December 23 2009 09:04 GMT
#50
On December 23 2009 10:38 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2009 01:48 Kyuki wrote:
On December 22 2009 00:19 Plexa wrote:
On December 21 2009 22:56 JWD wrote:
Maybe this will inspire the OSL to go the way of the MSL, and decide Ro8 placement by KeSPA rank.
Why should it =/ this seasons Ro8 is amazing. + Show Spoiler +
And so far Jaedong isn't looking nearly as strong as say Zero is


What makes you say that? His 4-game loosing streak before he won vs Peace?

I'm not saying said player is bad, I really like him myself, but saying that he doesnt look as strong as the other said player confuses me abit.
Just compare their respective games against Flash


I agree that ZerO put up a better fight, but it was also his choice of strategy(Lurker vs. 3-hatch muta) which allowed him to force Flash into a longer game. Furthermore Flash said that he had prepared mainly for Jaedong's style and he later even apologized for disrespecting ZerO by saying this. Had ZerO opted for a muta build he probably would have been destroyed just the same way Jaedong was.

On the whole however I have to agree that ZerO appears to be the stronger player these days.
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