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Biggest TSL Ladder Surprise After Week One? - Page 4

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dranjam
Profile Joined May 2008
Poland198 Posts
December 01 2009 21:47 GMT
#61
Ye, and people saying Yosh lol surprise at 57-0, and now 20 games later he is at 67-10. So much for miracle boy.

Biggest surprise is Idra after 1,5 year in a prohouse not being waaaaay ahead of foreigners, as Draco was after 7 months, and Nony would have been. Shame.
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight with you, then you win.
Korean-MILF
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Norway65 Posts
December 01 2009 22:09 GMT
#62
On December 01 2009 02:08 Kerl wrote:
lol @ Oystein being among the Top Foreigners oO


Oys is a fucking gosu!
MistrZZZ momma is so fat even boxer cant micro her
dranjam
Profile Joined May 2008
Poland198 Posts
December 01 2009 22:14 GMT
#63
Ye, Oystein is actually amazing.
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight with you, then you win.
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
December 02 2009 01:14 GMT
#64
i guess Octzerg. i love his play xD
cw)minsean(ru
Gnaix
Profile Joined February 2009
United States438 Posts
December 02 2009 01:15 GMT
#65
F91!!!
one thing that sc2 has over bw is the fact that I can actually manage my hotkeys
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13921 Posts
December 02 2009 01:33 GMT
#66
On December 01 2009 21:48 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
This poll result makes no sense what so ever..
Seriously wtf


well thats how these polls tend to be.

be sick if we saw an A+ before the season ended
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
December 02 2009 01:35 GMT
#67
g5
AmstAff
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Germany949 Posts
December 02 2009 12:05 GMT
#68
Sziky. i didnt saw anything from him since vt died and than this^^ even G5 is a suprise. i mean he was good, but wasnt he inactive too?
after 2 years i reached it = marine icon
Biochemist
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States1008 Posts
December 02 2009 15:02 GMT
#69
On December 02 2009 06:47 dranjam wrote:
Ye, and people saying Yosh lol surprise at 57-0, and now 20 games later he is at 67-10. So much for miracle boy.

Biggest surprise is Idra after 1,5 year in a prohouse not being waaaaay ahead of foreigners, as Draco was after 7 months, and Nony would have been. Shame.


Foreigners are a lot better now than they were then. Also, progressing at A- seems to be almost impossible since you need to have a winning record to just hold your spot. I imagine that's why most of the top 10 aren't playing much unless people pass them.
psyCrowe
Profile Joined December 2007
Scotland197 Posts
December 02 2009 15:27 GMT
#70
biggest suprise for me in this particular list is definatly octoberzerg, with preator coming a close 2nd.
BG1
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Canada1550 Posts
December 02 2009 17:03 GMT
#71
After week one? A week has already passed?
There was once a dream that was Esports. You could only whisper it. Anything more than a whisper and it would vanish... Now is the time to make that dream a reality!
dranjam
Profile Joined May 2008
Poland198 Posts
December 02 2009 19:28 GMT
#72
On December 03 2009 00:02 Biochemist wrote:
Foreigners are a lot better now than they were then. Also, progressing at A- seems to be almost impossible since you need to have a winning record to just hold your spot. I imagine that's why most of the top 10 aren't playing much unless people pass them.

After seeing WCG this year I don't agree. I've never seen Koreans pwning even the best foreigners with such ease.
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight with you, then you win.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
December 02 2009 19:41 GMT
#73
On December 03 2009 04:28 dranjam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2009 00:02 Biochemist wrote:
Foreigners are a lot better now than they were then. Also, progressing at A- seems to be almost impossible since you need to have a winning record to just hold your spot. I imagine that's why most of the top 10 aren't playing much unless people pass them.

After seeing WCG this year I don't agree. I've never seen Koreans pwning even the best foreigners with such ease.


apparently you've missed all the other WCGs
Terranist
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2496 Posts
December 03 2009 01:10 GMT
#74
sheesh how can mana have almost double the votes of octzerg. these poll results are a bigger surprise than the TSL standings themself.
The Show of a Lifetime
vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
December 03 2009 06:38 GMT
#75
OctZerg.

On December 02 2009 06:47 dranjam wrote:
Ye, and people saying Yosh lol surprise at 57-0, and now 20 games later he is at 67-10. So much for miracle boy.

Biggest surprise is Idra after 1,5 year in a prohouse not being waaaaay ahead of foreigners, as Draco was after 7 months, and Nony would have been. Shame.


You do realize IdrA plays, like, 95% Korean opponents while the other players on the ladder play a different mix. He's lost to 2 players who weren't Chinese/Korean (foscB.Team - whom he later called out for gaying him and unpausing a game and G2G.Mirror after beating him the first 2 times) and of the rest of his losses, 2 were to Chinese players. So of his 67 losses, 63 are vs. Korean players, 2 to foreigners and 2 to Chinese.

Compare that to someone like CaStrO who has played ~30 Koreans, lost to most of them and is playing foreigner guys who rank a rank below him while he's at A-.
(-_-) BW for ever. #1 Iris fan.
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5464 Posts
December 03 2009 15:47 GMT
#76
On December 03 2009 15:38 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
OctZerg.

Show nested quote +
On December 02 2009 06:47 dranjam wrote:
Ye, and people saying Yosh lol surprise at 57-0, and now 20 games later he is at 67-10. So much for miracle boy.

Biggest surprise is Idra after 1,5 year in a prohouse not being waaaaay ahead of foreigners, as Draco was after 7 months, and Nony would have been. Shame.


You do realize IdrA plays, like, 95% Korean opponents while the other players on the ladder play a different mix. He's lost to 2 players who weren't Chinese/Korean (foscB.Team - whom he later called out for gaying him and unpausing a game and G2G.Mirror after beating him the first 2 times) and of the rest of his losses, 2 were to Chinese players. So of his 67 losses, 63 are vs. Korean players, 2 to foreigners and 2 to Chinese.

Compare that to someone like CaStrO who has played ~30 Koreans, lost to most of them and is playing foreigner guys who rank a rank below him while he's at A-.
same goes for yosh. he ain't dodging no korean. dranjam you should probably stop random-hating on these players, especially the ones that actually ladder in a legitimate fashion.
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vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
December 03 2009 23:51 GMT
#77
On December 04 2009 00:47 redtooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2009 15:38 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
OctZerg.

On December 02 2009 06:47 dranjam wrote:
Ye, and people saying Yosh lol surprise at 57-0, and now 20 games later he is at 67-10. So much for miracle boy.

Biggest surprise is Idra after 1,5 year in a prohouse not being waaaaay ahead of foreigners, as Draco was after 7 months, and Nony would have been. Shame.


You do realize IdrA plays, like, 95% Korean opponents while the other players on the ladder play a different mix. He's lost to 2 players who weren't Chinese/Korean (foscB.Team - whom he later called out for gaying him and unpausing a game and G2G.Mirror after beating him the first 2 times) and of the rest of his losses, 2 were to Chinese players. So of his 67 losses, 63 are vs. Korean players, 2 to foreigners and 2 to Chinese.

Compare that to someone like CaStrO who has played ~30 Koreans, lost to most of them and is playing foreigner guys who rank a rank below him while he's at A-.
same goes for yosh. he ain't dodging no korean. dranjam you should probably stop random-hating on these players, especially the ones that actually ladder in a legitimate fashion.


Yosh isn't actually playing as many Koreans - he's not dodging them by any means, but his mix is much more composed of foreigners as opposed to IdrA's. Still, hating on someone who went 57-0 to start is really lame.
(-_-) BW for ever. #1 Iris fan.
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