EPTNot nearly as impressive opposition. Flash had the hardest Starleague run in the history of SC, IMO.
Power Rank 10/01/2009 - Page 7
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
Not nearly as impressive opposition. Flash had the hardest Starleague run in the history of SC, IMO. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
Kal and Mind are both great players on their good days, but I think it's a stretch to call them S-Class. Maybe not so much Mind directly after his MSL win, but Kal for sure. | ||
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TarsTarkas
United States169 Posts
On October 22 2009 05:34 Holgerius wrote: Not nearly as impressive opposition. Flash had the hardest Starleague run in the history of SC, IMO. I think that Mind's MSL run deserves mention here - people (including me) voted against Mind every step of the way, thinking he couldn't possibly win. Then he dominated. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On October 22 2009 11:23 TarsTarkas wrote: I think that Mind's MSL run deserves mention here - people (including me) voted against Mind every step of the way, thinking he couldn't possibly win. Then he dominated. Still; Flash had to play the absolute top three best players of the post Savior era. | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
On October 22 2009 13:54 Holgerius wrote: Still; Flash had to play the absolute top three best players of the post Savior era. Actually in relativity ForGG's MSL run was equivalent of Flash's OSL run relative to their respective times but not now ofc where Flashs run had the best 4 players right now Flashs run: JD-previous season gold OSL Stork-Previous silver medalist Bisu-2 Golds MSL ForGG's run: Flash-previous season gold OSL Kal-previous season silver medalist Jaedong-2 Golds OSL,MSL The only difference is that Flash played on Troy/Katrina and ForGG got T maps  | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On October 22 2009 05:34 Holgerius wrote: Not nearly as impressive opposition. Flash had the hardest Starleague run in the history of SC, IMO. July Bisu Yarnc in groups of MSL , Then Bo3 vs Luxury who was on fire at that time , Then Bo 5 vs Flash and Bo5 vs Mind and finals vs Kal Jaedong wasn't 1 game close to elimination he beat all 3 - 1 . | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On October 22 2009 18:24 raga4ka wrote: July Bisu Yarnc in groups of MSL , Then Bo3 vs Luxury who was on fire at that time , Then Bo 5 vs Flash and Bo5 vs Mind and finals vs Kal Jaedong wasn't 1 game close to elimination he beat all 3 - 1 . Not denying that it was tough; those are some quite excellent opponents (Flash!). But dude; Jaedong, Bisu, Stork. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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Stripe
United States67 Posts
On October 22 2009 18:33 Holgerius wrote: Not denying that it was tough; those are some quite excellent opponents (Flash!). But dude; Jaedong, Bisu, Stork. Bisu was slumping hard when Flash beat him in his OSL run. Bisu had a sprained wrist or something for several months. You can't compare Bisu after his Club Day MSL win to Bisu back then when he played Flash like 2 years ago; I would take Stork or even Kal over Bisu back then. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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4Servy
Netherlands1542 Posts
Bo3 vs jeadong, he won with 1 all in and a new mech build, in straight up play he got stomped. Bo 5 vs hard slumping and injured bisu. Final vs stork lol. Stork sux at finals if it had been semi's are quaters it would have been gg flash. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
The only thing that slightly degrades the epicness of Flash's win was that it was in OSL; beating Bisu in OSL is something that even the crappiest of noobs can do (Shine, go.go and Fantasy etc). + Show Spoiler + Just felt like taking a potshot at both Fantasy and Bisu at the same time. :D On October 23 2009 21:42 4Servy wrote: Flash's bachus osl is highly overrated other then the big names he beat. Bo3 vs jeadong, he won with 1 all in and a new mech build, in straight up play he got stomped. Bo 5 vs hard slumping and injured bisu. Final vs stork lol. Stork sux at finals if it had been semi's are quaters it would have been gg flash. When people criticize Flash for not succeeding in Starleagues lately, I can take it. He deserves that criticism. I'm not a blind fanboy. But this is just complete and utter fucking bullshit. I don't even think I can take your post seriously. You must be a troll. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
Sigh. People will make up any pointless and wrong dribble they can to degrade Flash's success. =\ | ||
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4Servy
Netherlands1542 Posts
People on this site look at results waaaaaay to much instead of the actual games and see what happened. Yes the run was impressive, but overrated by many ive been following SC pro gaming for long and there have been many many harder SL runs were people didnt choke or made bad decisions but just brining the best of their game to a serrie. And yes in pure standard macro games flash is a huge underdog vs jeadong. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
Right. I've been following SC since Reach was amazing. Casually, mind you, but I watched every game of Flash's OSL run and it wasn't the most breathtaking run. As a matter of fact, it was a little boring because of how well Flash destroyed his competition. He had the toughest maps since Savior's run(Katrina and Troy are absolute bitches), and the 3 most acknowledged players standing in his way. Savior's run is, by far, the most difficult struggle anyone's ever faced to win a title. Everyone expected him to win, of course -- he was Savior and therefore always the favorite. But in execution, that run was incredibly close to never happening. Flash's OSL run was so amazing because he not only destroyed it, but destroyed the 3 best players at the time, and did so while destroying almost exactly the same line up at the same time in GSI. Your recollection of Flash's success is skewed and hilariously wrong. PS: Flash is not the huge underdog in straight up play vs Jaedong. Here's their 2 most recent games with straight up play: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/11189_Flash_vs_Jaedong/vod http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/11567_Flash_vs_Jaedong/vod The first was a stomping dished out by Flash after he had just beaten Lomo, Hiya, and ForGG, all in a row. There's nothing to say about that game other than Flash just outplayed Jaedong. The second is actually in better support of my point. Jaedong had just beaten Hoejja, ForGG and Luxury, and came off that struggle (well "Struggle" in somuch as Luxury and ForGG slump and Hoejja is bad at ZvZ, but 3 kills is still 3 kills) to BARELY beat Flash in an amazing game. From start to finish, that game was as close as it gets, with Jaedong winning thanks to some sneaky play and a lack of scouting by Flash (the hidden expo). The other most recent loss was Jaedong 2hatch mutaing Flash, who was late on turret timing, into oblivion. That's not a straight up game, but it's still a fair loss. Flash is not the underdog versus Jaedong, atleast not the huge one. I'd be happy to say Jaedong is the favorite if they ever meet up, but Jaedong is the favorite against ANYONE if they ever meet up, so it's not like Flash is some scrub in comparison. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On October 23 2009 22:12 4Servy wrote: Go watch the games and situation back then instead of flaming arround without knowing anything. People on this site look at results waaaaaay to much instead of the actual games and see what happened. Yes the run was impressive, but overrated by many ive been following SC pro gaming for long and there have been many many harder SL runs were people didnt choke or made bad decisions but just brining the best of their game to a serrie. And yes in pure standard macro games flash is a huge underdog vs jeadong. How about you start listening to your own advice and stop writing shit without knowing anything? Flash vs Jaedong game one was not all in by Flash. He did a standard 1 Rax FE and then went for a pre-lair timing push. Jaedong was greedy, didn't make enough sunkens and lost. And how is going mech not playing straight up? Fantasy uses mech and loses to Jaedong = Creative genius! Flash uses mech and beats Jaedong = Cheesy noob who can't win straight up. And once again; to call Bisu's performance before his games vs Flash ''slumping hard'' is a massive overstatement. Flash wins final against Stork 3-0 = Flash sux because Stork is just a big choker. Fantasy loses final to Stork = Best TvP'er in the world! Also: ''Flash's bachus osl is highly overrated other then the big names he beat.'' What kind of logic is that? Yeah, let's not take into account that he beat the three greatest players post Savior. Come one... | ||
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Orbifold
United States1922 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On October 23 2009 23:15 Orbifold wrote: People love to hate on Flash for some reason. My feeling about this is that Flash has the current highest elo and an over 68% win rate... so kiss my ass and kiss Flash's ass. Let us rejoice about the fact that the hate most likely stems from the same reason that I hate Bisu; I am a fanboy of another player and feel threatened and jealous because he's so fucking good. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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