• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 01:51
CEST 07:51
KST 14:51
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10
Community News
Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.160Rollback Netcode in Brood War845.0.17 Patch Notes - October 7, 202622Weekly Cups Results (Sep 28-Oct 4)0SC4ALL: II SC2 Complete Invited Player Lineup10
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.16 5.0.17 Patch Notes - October 7, 2026 ESL Pro Tour for SC2 discontinued [Old] StarCraft 3 Reportedly in Development StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026)
Tourneys
Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier RSL 2026 Offline Finals LCQ Sign-Ups $3,500 WardiTV Not-Summer Championship ScienceCraft (October 24-25) - Live Event
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 547 Temple Of Terror Mutation # 546 Catch the Train Mutation # 545 And Drops and Rifts
Brood War
General
Sagi.gg Launcher Released BW General Discussion ASL FINALS HYPE VIDEO 2X Visiting korea this week BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
ASL 22 Finals [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Semifinal A [ASL22] Semifinal B
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Replay Review Process - What do you do?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Total Annihilation Zero
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
The Link Between Gaming and …
TrAiDoS
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 13844 users

Power Rank 10/01/2009 - Page 6

Forum Index > Polls & Liquibet
Post a Reply
Prev 1 4 5 6 7 8 23 Next All
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
October 20 2009 22:45 GMT
#101
Which is funny because Flash is probably the only guy to win a title by beating all 3 S class players of the time. If early 08 Flash is back, then that little stat drop you just pulled is gonna be pretty off. Flash was like +75% against every S-classer back then. Let's hope he can bring it up to that level of play.

Flash vs Jaedong Ace plzzz.
Remember Violet.
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
October 20 2009 22:53 GMT
#102
Oh trust me, I want to believe Flash can hang with Jaedong and Bisu. And to be fair, he hasn't shown any signs that he can't with his recent insane play. His match against Bisu actually went exactly according to the maps (losses on the two P favored maps, win on the T favored map) which indicates more of a 50/50 chance split.

I think it's just a residual tick in my mind from when JD trounced Flash 3-0 in GOM S1, it just makes me feel like Flash is the underdog against JD and that maybe if the Zerg player had a liiiiittle bit better muta micro (as JD undeniably does), then Flash's bio control wouldn't be quite as scary as it is against people like hyun, hero, and Kwanro.

We'll have to wait and see. Hopefully Flash and JD end up playing against eachother in the KT vs Oz proleague matchup.
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
nadafanboy42
Profile Joined August 2009
Netherlands209 Posts
October 20 2009 22:56 GMT
#103
On October 21 2009 07:45 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Which is funny because Flash is probably the only guy to win a title by beating all 3 S class players of the time. If early 08 Flash is back, then that little stat drop you just pulled is gonna be pretty off. Flash was like +75% against every S-classer back then. Let's hope he can bring it up to that level of play.

Flash vs Jaedong Ace plzzz.

Flash has never been more the 50% against Jaedong.
NaDa/Jaedong/Liquid-Fanboy
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-20 23:05:21
October 20 2009 23:02 GMT
#104
On October 21 2009 07:56 nadafanboy42 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2009 07:45 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Which is funny because Flash is probably the only guy to win a title by beating all 3 S class players of the time. If early 08 Flash is back, then that little stat drop you just pulled is gonna be pretty off. Flash was like +75% against every S-classer back then. Let's hope he can bring it up to that level of play.

Flash vs Jaedong Ace plzzz.

Flash has never been more the 50% against Jaedong.

Yes he was.

Just checked on TLPD. He was 6-5 against Jaedong. He won 2 Bo3's, one PL game and lost one B05.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-20 23:15:51
October 20 2009 23:04 GMT
#105
On October 21 2009 07:56 nadafanboy42 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2009 07:45 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Which is funny because Flash is probably the only guy to win a title by beating all 3 S class players of the time. If early 08 Flash is back, then that little stat drop you just pulled is gonna be pretty off. Flash was like +75% against every S-classer back then. Let's hope he can bring it up to that level of play.

Flash vs Jaedong Ace plzzz.

Flash has never been more the 50% against Jaedong.


Flash was 2-0 with Jaedong before Jaedong's 3 straight wins during Gomtv MSL 4. Oh, and then Flash beat him 2-1 twice in GSI and Bacchus, meaning Flash was 6-5 with him (This is on top of being like 8-2 with Stork during that 08 period, where he was also like 6-3 with Bisu or some ridiculous number). Flash was the best player at playing other S-Classers for a solid 2 to 3 seasons. :>

Edit, excuse me, for the entirety of 08, Flash was 9-3 with Bisu. 6-3 with Stork thanks to Stork's proleague win. Now his record with Jaedong up to the end of 08 was not a winning one. As we all know, Jaedong started his massive tear near the end of 08, recently. But for the prime rape time Flash I'm talking about, he was still 6-5, 5-5 excluding their previous 07 game.

Plain and simple, Flash beat more S-classers more often than any other S-classer at his peak, and for the majority of 08 before Jaedong's prime. Hell, just this year alone, Flash is 2-2 with Jaedong, so it's not like he's incapable of taking down the #1 player of the day, currently.

editedit/pps: And he did it on shitty maps, too! Fuck off, Katrina. >:[
Remember Violet.
nadafanboy42
Profile Joined August 2009
Netherlands209 Posts
October 20 2009 23:19 GMT
#106
On October 21 2009 08:04 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2009 07:56 nadafanboy42 wrote:
On October 21 2009 07:45 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Which is funny because Flash is probably the only guy to win a title by beating all 3 S class players of the time. If early 08 Flash is back, then that little stat drop you just pulled is gonna be pretty off. Flash was like +75% against every S-classer back then. Let's hope he can bring it up to that level of play.

Flash vs Jaedong Ace plzzz.

Flash has never been more the 50% against Jaedong.


Flash was 2-0 with Jaedong before Jaedong's 3 straight wins during Gomtv MSL 4. Oh, and then Flash beat him 2-1 twice in GSI and Bacchus, meaning Flash was 6-5 with him (This is on top of being like 8-2 with Stork during that 08 period, where he was also like 6-3 with Bisu or some ridiculous number). Flash was the best player at playing other S-Classers for a solid 2 to 3 seasons. :>

Edit, excuse me, for the entirety of 08, Flash was 9-3 with Bisu. 6-3 with Stork thanks to Stork's proleague win. Now his record with Jaedong up to the end of 08 was not a winning one. As we all know, Jaedong started his massive tear near the end of 08, recently. But for the prime rape time Flash I'm talking about, he was still 6-5, 5-5 excluding their previous 07 game.

Plain and simple, Flash beat more S-classers more often than any other S-classer at his peak, and for the majority of 08 before Jaedong's prime. Hell, just this year alone, Flash is 2-2 with Jaedong, so it's not like he's incapable of taking down the #1 player of the day, currently.

Ah, sorry. I checked before posting but the TLPD doesn't count Gom Invitational, so the stats said 50-50 when it actually was 6-5. I agree with your point, and I also feel that if anyone is going to be displacing Jaedong for number one next month, Flash is the ticket in my book.
NaDa/Jaedong/Liquid-Fanboy
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
October 20 2009 23:19 GMT
#107
Um, I think that Flash should be No1 if the PR was released right now. However, he has not shown he can hang with Bisu and Jaedong just yet. He always, always rapes mediocre players, but last few time's he's lost more than won against the other two players. It may be different this time, just nothing to show that yet.
Jaedong
abakben
Profile Joined April 2007
United States308 Posts
October 20 2009 23:20 GMT
#108
On October 21 2009 08:04 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2009 07:56 nadafanboy42 wrote:
On October 21 2009 07:45 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Which is funny because Flash is probably the only guy to win a title by beating all 3 S class players of the time. If early 08 Flash is back, then that little stat drop you just pulled is gonna be pretty off. Flash was like +75% against every S-classer back then. Let's hope he can bring it up to that level of play.

Flash vs Jaedong Ace plzzz.

Flash has never been more the 50% against Jaedong.


Flash was 2-0 with Jaedong before Jaedong's 3 straight wins during Gomtv MSL 4. Oh, and then Flash beat him 2-1 twice in GSI and Bacchus, meaning Flash was 6-5 with him (This is on top of being like 8-2 with Stork during that 08 period, where he was also like 6-3 with Bisu or some ridiculous number). Flash was the best player at playing other S-Classers for a solid 2 to 3 seasons. :>

Edit, excuse me, for the entirety of 08, Flash was 9-3 with Bisu. 6-3 with Stork thanks to Stork's proleague win. Now his record with Jaedong up to the end of 08 was not a winning one. As we all know, Jaedong started his massive tear near the end of 08, recently. But for the prime rape time Flash I'm talking about, he was still 6-5, 5-5 excluding their previous 07 game.

Plain and simple, Flash beat more S-classers more often than any other S-classer at his peak, and for the majority of 08 before Jaedong's prime. Hell, just this year alone, Flash is 2-2 with Jaedong, so it's not like he's incapable of taking down the #1 player of the day, currently.

editedit/pps: And he did it on shitty maps, too! Fuck off, Katrina. >:[

I think he was talking about this year not 2008. If you check this years stats Flash did not play well against Bisu and JD.
Bisu-Flash: 6-2
JD-Flash: 2-2
Three big B's (BEST-BISU-BOXER) fighting for SKT1. All we need is a good zerg to dominate the Proleague:)
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-20 23:23:30
October 20 2009 23:21 GMT
#109
Dude he said he's NEVER been over 50% with Jaedong, and it's not true. He's been 2-0, 2-1, and 6-5 with Jaedong if you want to get really technical.

Also good job including allstars games and show matches in the Flash vs Bisu stats.
Remember Violet.
abakben
Profile Joined April 2007
United States308 Posts
October 20 2009 23:26 GMT
#110
On October 21 2009 08:21 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Dude he said he's NEVER been over 50% with Jaedong, and it's not true. He's been 2-0, 2-1, and 6-5 with Jaedong if you want to get really technical.

Also good job including allstars games and show matches in the Flash vs Bisu stats.

I do not see any show matches at all except one All-Star Race Battle.

+ 09-08-27 WCG2009 Korea Heartbreak Ridge Loss
+ 09-08-27 WCG2009 Korea Return of the King Win
+ 09-08-27 WCG2009 Korea Destination Loss
+ 09-03-30 09 All-Star Race Battle Destination Loss
+ 09-01-12 Shinhan 08-09 Proleague Medusa Loss
+ 09-01-04 GOM Classic Season 2 Destination Loss
+ 09-01-04 GOM Classic Season 2 Sin Chupung-Ryeong Loss
+ 09-01-04 GOM Classic Season 2 Medusa Win

You do not need to be aggressive before checking the stats.
Three big B's (BEST-BISU-BOXER) fighting for SKT1. All we need is a good zerg to dominate the Proleague:)
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-20 23:30:21
October 20 2009 23:29 GMT
#111
Yes, so for future reference don't include showmatches/allstars/things that don't matter. But the point is, I was talking about 08 Flash and he was talking about all time flash (saying he was NEVER ahead in games against Jaedong), and for some reason you pick out Flash's worst era to rub in my face.
Remember Violet.
AzureEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1360 Posts
October 21 2009 02:57 GMT
#112
On October 21 2009 08:29 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Yes, so for future reference don't include showmatches/allstars/things that don't matter. But the point is, I was talking about 08 Flash and he was talking about all time flash (saying he was NEVER ahead in games against Jaedong), and for some reason you pick out Flash's worst era to rub in my face.


I think its also fair to include GOM Season 1 Finals, I don't know if thats included in your calculation
Terrans who whine: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=107788
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
October 21 2009 03:51 GMT
#113
It's been so long since we've had a Bo3/Bo5 series between Flash and JD, so it's pretty much an exercise in futility comparing results from a year ago...I really hope we get to see some games between the two of them soon.
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
October 21 2009 04:52 GMT
#114
Jaedong vs Flash would be the best OSL finals ever. I would give my left penis to see that happen instead of some bloody ZvZ...
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
October 21 2009 05:17 GMT
#115
On October 21 2009 13:52 Holgerius wrote:
Jaedong vs Flash would be the best OSL finals ever. I would give my left penis to see that happen instead of some bloody ZvZ...

erm...how many do you have?
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
Tyxiquale
Profile Joined September 2008
Australia424 Posts
October 21 2009 06:25 GMT
#116
On October 21 2009 14:17 qrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2009 13:52 Holgerius wrote:
Jaedong vs Flash would be the best OSL finals ever. I would give my left penis to see that happen instead of some bloody ZvZ...

erm...how many do you have?


dude... why would you even ask?
Dumb people don't know that they're dumb.
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5779 Posts
October 21 2009 09:45 GMT
#117
Who will be next month's zerg hype boy? Over the last year we've had roughly one new zerg per month on the Power Rank: hyvaa, hero, zero, thezerg, type-b, kwanro ... each more or less predicted to be The Real Thing (or even Jaedong's successor) only to turn out a spectacular failure two weeks later (with exception of Effort and Calm). Has Hyuk been strong enough? Shine perhaps?
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-21 09:56:11
October 21 2009 09:53 GMT
#118
Maybe Roro? :D Kicking Calms ass in an ace game is quite a feat.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
October 21 2009 13:12 GMT
#119
My bet is (Z)Shine. Hyuk's been talked about a little too long for him to be the next big thing; Shine is the shiny new star (for a month).
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
October 21 2009 19:42 GMT
#120
On October 21 2009 07:45 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Which is funny because Flash is probably the only guy to win a title by beating all 3 S class players of the time. If early 08 Flash is back, then that little stat drop you just pulled is gonna be pretty off. Flash was like +75% against every S-classer back then. Let's hope he can bring it up to that level of play.

Flash vs Jaedong Ace plzzz.


Jaedong's MSL run?
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
Prev 1 4 5 6 7 8 23 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 5h 9m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 3366
GuemChi 1895
Aegong 50
ajuk12(nOOB) 24
Icarus 11
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm188
League of Legends
JimRising 666
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King70
Other Games
summit1g6250
WinterStarcraft534
C9.Mang0309
Sick138
Hui .121
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV164
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• practicex 34
• Letter1413
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2221
League of Legends
• Lourlo1147
• Rush973
• Stunt371
Other Games
• Shiphtur733
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Weekly
5h 9m
PiGosaur Cup
18h 9m
Kung Fu Cup
1d 5h
The PondCast
2 days
Online Event
3 days
Korean StarCraft League
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Rush vs Soulkey
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
BSL Open Qualifier
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
[ Show More ]
IPSL
5 days
BSL Open Qualifier
5 days
WardiTV Weekly
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-10-12
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Copium Cup

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
Acropolis #5
HCC Season 3
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSC
BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.