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rockon1215
Profile Joined May 2009
United States612 Posts
August 12 2009 04:03 GMT
#21
(T)Iris vs (Z)Jaedong would be an awesome finals and (Z)Jaedong vs (T)fantasy WILL be an awesome semifinal. ZvT is the best matchup to watch IMO so I'm rooting for (T)Iris, plus he gets awesome points for beating (P)Bisu
Flash v Jaedong The finals that is ALWAYS meant to be
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
August 12 2009 04:06 GMT
#22
Hmm, I agree with most of what is written in this article, but I think Jaedong still has a good possibility to beat Fantasy because he will be so angry for revenge. I think the matches between them will be very close.

I have always liked Iris' style and I feel like he deserves at least one title win. Hopefully, he won't fade away like Midas.
Brood War loyalist
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
August 12 2009 04:16 GMT
#23
Iris opens 2-fac, disguising it as FD
FD means Fake Double factory, right? So Iris disguised his 2fac by making it look like he was disguising his build as 2fac? Clever!
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
fnaticNoname
Profile Joined January 2008
India858 Posts
August 12 2009 04:17 GMT
#24
nice write up : )

Excellent job by Iris to reach where he is and I am a bit disappointed to see ZerO losing.
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
August 12 2009 04:22 GMT
#25
On August 12 2009 08:37 Hot_Bid wrote:
Jaedong, 3-1 Calm. 24 hours later, Jaedong, 1-3 Fantasy.
HOW DARE YOU, Hot_Bid? How dare you taint your preview of the MSL semis with a blasphemous prediction for the OSL?! You overreach yourself, heathen.
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
August 12 2009 04:28 GMT
#26
Even Calm knows he's at a severe disadvantage; He thumbed down the 2 player maps while JD thumbed down the 4 player maps, just an interesting note.
Jaedong
29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5725 Posts
August 12 2009 04:28 GMT
#27
i love the zvz summaries. zvz is really that simple, is it?
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36401 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-12 05:02:43
August 12 2009 04:55 GMT
#28
On August 12 2009 13:16 qrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
Iris opens 2-fac, disguising it as FD
FD means Fake Double factory, right? So Iris disguised his 2fac by making it look like he was disguising his build as 2fac? Clever!

Are you trying to say that the sentence doesn't make sense? Because FD and 2fac are clearly very different builds and don't look the same at all. FD is technically "fake double" but no P ever really thinks its a real 2-fac when they see FD... no P's fall for it anymore. Mostly because very few T's actually 2-fac.

FD is different than standard double factory. FD moves out with several marines, 1 tank, and rallied mine vultures. The purpose is not to kill but to contain with mines and build a CC and hopefully get the P to expand later because he "fears" a true 2-fac. Ideally what would happen is the P gets scared of 2-fac, builds 2 gates, goons, and robo before taking his expo, and the T is super far ahead in expo timing.

But no P actually falls for FD anymore because its such a common build. Nowadays P's see the marines, 1 tank, and vultures and immediately recognize FD and expand, putting them on equal (or slightly ahead) footing with the T. The way a P can tell this is by tank count. A true 2-fac will almost always have 2-3 tanks while a FD only has 1 tank with rallied vultures.

So by "faking" an FD, Iris made Bisu think that Iris was making a CC when he was actually going for a true 2fac, 3 tanks + speedmine vultures. Had Bisu known this he would've cut probes or gotten a robo / obs faster or positioned his goons better.

On August 12 2009 12:54 Plexa wrote:
Can you imagine Kwanro in a ZvZ final against Jaedong, and kwanro winning?
I can
/deluded fanboyism

lol any CJ > Jaedong win would be my dream final

On August 12 2009 13:22 qrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2009 08:37 Hot_Bid wrote:
Jaedong, 3-1 Calm. 24 hours later, Jaedong, 1-3 Fantasy.
HOW DARE YOU, Hot_Bid? How dare you taint your preview of the MSL semis with a blasphemous prediction for the OSL?! You overreach yourself, heathen.

Pshhh there weren't any concrete predictions in the OSL semifinals preview so I thought I might as well say what I thought was going to happen. Yes I cover MSL but obviously an OSL title is worth more and its the more interesting league right now because Bisu/Effort are out of the MSL. At least to the average fan at least. To me of course MSL is more interesting because it has two CJ players still alive in it.
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
AlwaysGG
Profile Joined March 2009
Taiwan952 Posts
August 12 2009 05:26 GMT
#29
calm 3-1 jaedong

fantasy 3-2 jaedong
Trust 神教教主 FlaSh | Believe 火心 EffOrt
Nightmarjoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3360 Posts
August 12 2009 05:26 GMT
#30
I hope jaedong practices only zvt, loses vs calm in MSL rapes fantasy in OSL leaving Iris to rape calm and win the msl and then jaedong gets to golden mouse his way through type-b / yawnc.
aka Lyra; My favourites: July, Stork, Draco, MistrZZZ, TheStc, LastShadow - www.broodwarmaps.net - for all your mapping needs; check my stream: high masters mech terran: twitch.tv/lyrathegreat
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36401 Posts
August 12 2009 05:41 GMT
#31
cmon didn't you see fantasy 2-0 Jaedong in the PL finals

he has SK Telecom Terran Destiny written all over him
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
August 12 2009 05:42 GMT
#32
Zero has Jaedong level ZvP and ZvT

wuhwuhwhat?

I am going to laugh so hard when Jaedong beats fantasy in OSL
brood war for life, brood war forever
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36401 Posts
August 12 2009 05:47 GMT
#33
On August 12 2009 14:42 Crunchums wrote:
Show nested quote +
Zero has Jaedong level ZvP and ZvT

wuhwuhwhat?

I am going to laugh so hard when Jaedong beats fantasy in OSL

*at times he has Jaedong level ZvP and ZvT

lol ill fix that
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-12 06:08:01
August 12 2009 05:51 GMT
#34
On August 12 2009 13:55 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2009 13:16 qrs wrote:
Iris opens 2-fac, disguising it as FD
FD means Fake Double factory, right? So Iris disguised his 2fac by making it look like he was disguising his build as 2fac? Clever!

Are you trying to say that the sentence doesn't make sense? Because FD and 2fac are clearly very different builds and don't look the same at all. FD is technically "fake double" but no P ever really thinks its a real 2-fac when they see FD... no P's fall for it anymore. Mostly because very few T's actually 2-fac.

Yeah, I know it makes sense; I just thought it was funny given the terminology.

edit: and I called your prediction blasphemous because it went against Jaedong. It was just the sheer unnecessity of predicting at all that had me riled.
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
August 12 2009 05:55 GMT
#35
On August 12 2009 14:41 Hot_Bid wrote:
cmon didn't you see fantasy 2-0 Jaedong in the PL finals

he has SK Telecom Terran Destiny written all over him

Jaedong doesn't follow superstitions. OSL curse?
Jaedong
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
August 12 2009 05:58 GMT
#36
On August 12 2009 12:54 Plexa wrote:
Can you imagine Kwanro in a ZvZ final against Jaedong, and kwanro winning?
I can
/deluded fanboyism

That's just pushing it, hahahahaa.
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32278 Posts
August 12 2009 06:05 GMT
#37
I agree with pretty much everything!
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66363 Posts
August 12 2009 06:06 GMT
#38
He won't be his old self, and he won't beat Fantasy


Yeaaah.

Hoping Iris to defeat Kwanro so that I won't have to watch a ZvZ Grand Finals :<
POGGERS
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
August 12 2009 06:56 GMT
#39
On August 12 2009 15:06 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
He won't be his old self, and he won't beat Fantasy


Yeaaah.

Hoping Iris to defeat Kwanro so that I won't have to watch a ZvZ Grand Finals :<

Jaedong will either turn into superdong and rape Fantasy, or Fantasy will come on a hotstreak for some months like Flash was and JD will surpass him.
Atleast this is how I see it happend!
JAEDONG FOR MSL AND OSL! GO!
In the woods, there lurks..
Faraday
Profile Joined April 2009
United States553 Posts
August 12 2009 07:01 GMT
#40
BISU (
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