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RaGe
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Belgium9947 Posts
August 12 2009 14:34 GMT
#61
Hoping for Iris vs Jaedong finals


On August 12 2009 21:14 foeffa wrote:
Loved the 2Fac Shakur btw, very clever.

rip-off from my uswest nickname
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GoSu
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Korea (South)1773 Posts
August 12 2009 14:37 GMT
#62
huge article again. nice reading.
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NET
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States703 Posts
August 12 2009 15:14 GMT
#63
I guess I rather be Berserker'd then Hyuk'd.
"Dark Templar are the saviors of the Protoss Race." -Artosis
Sharp-eYe
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada642 Posts
August 12 2009 15:15 GMT
#64
LMAO at the level of fanboyism!
Iris is defintely going to win the MSL AND GOM, if he doesnt get cocky (and I doubt he wil, he has already experienced the feeling of a slump).

I believe Jaedong will either win or lose his matches in an extreme way, as he is emotionally torn apart right now. I agree that he will tear apart Calm, but then get owned by fantasy. As they say "3 is the lucky number."

Is it just me or it is getting almost impossible to calculate who is going to win. Bisu, despite Iris's hot streak was the favourite, and he loses in this fashion. Curse this non-bonjwa era!

If Jaedong wins both leagues, then I will personally consider him as great as NaDa, even if he goes into an uber *S-word* after these leagues forever.

/my 2 cents
Are you truly so blinded by your vaunted religion, that you can't see the fall ahead of you? - Zeratul III AKA WikidSik ingame (anygame)
ChaseR
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Norway1004 Posts
August 12 2009 15:35 GMT
#65
Awesome Article ~~
Life is not Fucking Fair and Society is not Fucking Logical - "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn"
Badjas
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Netherlands2038 Posts
August 12 2009 16:04 GMT
#66
On August 13 2009 00:15 Sharp-eYe wrote:
LMAO at the level of fanboyism!
Iris is defintely going to win the MSL AND GOM, if he doesnt get cocky (and I doubt he wil, he has already experienced the feeling of a slump).

I wouldn't count Flash out that easily. I think Flash is even considered the favorite here. Although Iris is very hot right now.
I <3 the internet, I <3 you
sHade]DaLToN
Profile Joined January 2009
United States21 Posts
August 12 2009 19:25 GMT
#67
On August 13 2009 01:04 Badjas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2009 00:15 Sharp-eYe wrote:
LMAO at the level of fanboyism!
Iris is defintely going to win the MSL AND GOM, if he doesnt get cocky (and I doubt he wil, he has already experienced the feeling of a slump).

I wouldn't count Flash out that easily. I think Flash is even considered the favorite here. Although Iris is very hot right now.


From a pure performance standpoint Flash is absolutely the favorite in the GOM series. He is 10-0 in his last ten TvT with wins against Fantasy, Skyhigh, Leta, Iris and and Firebathero and 70% overall in this matchup. Although Iris is no slouch in TvT, he still loses the statistical battle easily. In addition, Iris has two leagues to worry about, whereas Flash only has one. That being said, Iris's aggressive style has the potential to counter Flash's greedy economic style, so we'll see.
Fisdj
Profile Joined July 2007
United States25 Posts
August 12 2009 20:04 GMT
#68
ROFL @ 2Fac Shakur and Kwanrolled LOL
2.niCe[BALLZ]
rA.Hippie
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Denmark714 Posts
August 12 2009 20:07 GMT
#69
Great writeup.
I'm really afraid that fantasy is gonna roll JD bad, but god damnit I hope he'll take it.
I love teh shisha.
valaki
Profile Joined June 2009
Hungary2476 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-12 20:15:24
August 12 2009 20:14 GMT
#70
Iris vs Calm, Fantasy vs Yarnc go.

These 2 terrans really deserve a gold.
ggaemo fan
Monsen
Profile Joined December 2002
Germany2548 Posts
August 12 2009 20:27 GMT
#71
To be honest, both Semis seem to be toss ups to me. All it takes for Jaedong to be the next Bon-Jouer, is strategical advice from someone like Boxer as his execution already is beyond perfection.
Too bad he doesn't have it, while Fantasy does.

I can't remember ever seeing Jaedong outplayed- outsmarted yes, like the second loss to Fantasy in PL.
The loss in his first game against Fantasy was his own fault, as his passive fast hive strategy gave the initiative away to Fantasy, something you rarely see from the Dong. So he was playing catch up against the absurd cost efficiency of SK terran with little economical advantage. Seems like even a bazillion scourged vessels are not enough to accomplish that.

On the other hand we've got the Semi vs Calm, which could very well be decided by Bo/scout luck.

Fingers crossed for Piratezerg to make it through both Semis- I feel he deserves it the most.
11 years and counting- TL #680
Fr33t
Profile Joined June 2008
United States1128 Posts
August 12 2009 20:31 GMT
#72
On August 12 2009 18:18 fanatacist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2009 17:19 Fr33t wrote:
On August 12 2009 12:50 fanatacist wrote:
On August 12 2009 12:34 Fr33t wrote:
The amount of bias against JD in this was just way too much, going to pass on finishing it.

Oh no the person writing my SC news has an opinion and tries to spice up the article by pointing out the 0-3 shortcomings of Jaedong in SPL finals, I will now turn off my monitor and cry.

BUT WAIT

Maybe if I make a post expressing my discontent, everything will be right for next time, when writers can just post the basic information of the game and not have a personality at all!

Haha..ha..what? Being anti-JD is a personality? lol k. I don't expect news posts to only be full of basic info and what not, it's just that I'm only ever used to seeing forum newbies posting "OMG JD LOST 0-3 HE'S TERRIBAD! SLUMMMPPP!" Not writers.

Do you even know how to read? Judging from your inability to realize that all news is generally like this is, I would have to say no.

Do I know how to read? Really? Hahaha your insults are so terrible. Can't wait for you T1 fanboys to sthu like you did after fantasy got owned the last OSL.
"Wow you could literally transport Lomo's face to a girl and the result would be pretty deceptive."
FireGuyX
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1712 Posts
August 12 2009 22:02 GMT
#73
I'm predicting either Iris vs Jaedong or Iris vs Calm. Kwanro beating Iris doesn't seem likely (although anything can happen) judging by Kwanro's performance against Miracle.
Flash, ForGG, and Movie fan.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36374 Posts
August 12 2009 23:33 GMT
#74
On August 13 2009 05:31 Fr33t wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2009 18:18 fanatacist wrote:
On August 12 2009 17:19 Fr33t wrote:
On August 12 2009 12:50 fanatacist wrote:
On August 12 2009 12:34 Fr33t wrote:
The amount of bias against JD in this was just way too much, going to pass on finishing it.

Oh no the person writing my SC news has an opinion and tries to spice up the article by pointing out the 0-3 shortcomings of Jaedong in SPL finals, I will now turn off my monitor and cry.

BUT WAIT

Maybe if I make a post expressing my discontent, everything will be right for next time, when writers can just post the basic information of the game and not have a personality at all!

Haha..ha..what? Being anti-JD is a personality? lol k. I don't expect news posts to only be full of basic info and what not, it's just that I'm only ever used to seeing forum newbies posting "OMG JD LOST 0-3 HE'S TERRIBAD! SLUMMMPPP!" Not writers.

Do you even know how to read? Judging from your inability to realize that all news is generally like this is, I would have to say no.

Do I know how to read? Really? Hahaha your insults are so terrible. Can't wait for you T1 fanboys to sthu like you did after fantasy got owned the last OSL.

What in this newspost is biased against Jaedong?
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
Fr33t
Profile Joined June 2008
United States1128 Posts
August 13 2009 00:56 GMT
#75
Just how big a deal you are making out of his 0-3 in the GF and his zvz losses. His first loss to orion was just a great ling timing attack right before JD's mutas were coming out which he soundly defeated the very next match when effort attempted the same thing. His loss against hyuk was a straight up BO loss, which is still his fault for picking that build but doesn't say anything about his actual play. And in the final game fantasy just executed a brilliant, brilliant cheese. The only game of any merit to JD's actual play was his first game against fantasy and even that game could have gone either way.

To say that because of these games that JD has suddenly stopped being JD is a little ridiculous. Oh well, maybe you're right and JD will get destroyed in his upcoming matches. But as of right now, I would still consider him AT LEAST a contender against fantasy and not just another zerg scrub.
"Wow you could literally transport Lomo's face to a girl and the result would be pretty deceptive."
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36374 Posts
August 13 2009 01:09 GMT
#76
On August 13 2009 09:56 Fr33t wrote:
Just how big a deal you are making out of his 0-3 in the GF and his zvz losses. His first loss to orion was just a great ling timing attack right before JD's mutas were coming out which he soundly defeated the very next match when effort attempted the same thing. His loss against hyuk was a straight up BO loss, which is still his fault for picking that build but doesn't say anything about his actual play. And in the final game fantasy just executed a brilliant, brilliant cheese. The only game of any merit to JD's actual play was his first game against fantasy and even that game could have gone either way.

To say that because of these games that JD has suddenly stopped being JD is a little ridiculous. Oh well, maybe you're right and JD will get destroyed in his upcoming matches. But as of right now, I would still consider him AT LEAST a contender against fantasy and not just another zerg scrub.

I think you really need to re-read what I said...

I don't think I've ever said Jaedong is "just another Zerg scrub" and I predicted him to win against Calm. I never said he had no chance against Fantasy, but I believe Fantasy will beat him. Last week I wrote that he's far and away better than Effort and I've always said he's the best Proleague player.

As for "making a big deal about GF losses" of course you have to make a big deal about them, he lost 3 times on the most important stage of professional starcraft, proleague finals. He was the favorite and he lost several times. Am I just supposed to ignore that? Losing to Orion was Jaedong's fault and so was losing to Hyuk, and Fantasyx2.

You are reading too much into just a few negative words about him -- words he deserves because he lost 3 times in the GF.
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5085 Posts
August 13 2009 08:23 GMT
#77
nice write up, thank you
you wouldnt feel that way if it was your magical sword of mantouchery that got stolen - racebannon • I am merely guest #13,678!
anch
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States5457 Posts
August 13 2009 11:00 GMT
#78
On August 12 2009 08:37 Hot_Bid wrote:
But you don't forget how to ZvZ overnight. Losses to bad Zergs don't erase raw ZvZ ability. Jaedong will be angry, and his hands will still be fast. He won't be his old self, and he won't beat Fantasy, but he'll find a way against Calm. Cheer up Jaedong fans. Proleague wasn't meant to be, and repeat OSLs simply don't happen. One individual final is enough -- you can't have it all.

Jaedong, 3-1 Calm. 24 hours later, Jaedong, 1-3 Fantasy.

so good.
MutaDoom
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1163 Posts
August 13 2009 13:07 GMT
#79
On August 13 2009 05:31 Fr33t wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2009 18:18 fanatacist wrote:
On August 12 2009 17:19 Fr33t wrote:
On August 12 2009 12:50 fanatacist wrote:
On August 12 2009 12:34 Fr33t wrote:
The amount of bias against JD in this was just way too much, going to pass on finishing it.

Oh no the person writing my SC news has an opinion and tries to spice up the article by pointing out the 0-3 shortcomings of Jaedong in SPL finals, I will now turn off my monitor and cry.

BUT WAIT

Maybe if I make a post expressing my discontent, everything will be right for next time, when writers can just post the basic information of the game and not have a personality at all!

Haha..ha..what? Being anti-JD is a personality? lol k. I don't expect news posts to only be full of basic info and what not, it's just that I'm only ever used to seeing forum newbies posting "OMG JD LOST 0-3 HE'S TERRIBAD! SLUMMMPPP!" Not writers.

Do you even know how to read? Judging from your inability to realize that all news is generally like this is, I would have to say no.

Do I know how to read? Really? Hahaha your insults are so terrible. Can't wait for you T1 fanboys to sthu like you did after fantasy got owned the last OSL.

Could this be some Oz fanboyism coming out? Don't get me wrong, I am a major fanboy of Hwaseung and all it's players(I liquibet HiyA or Killer over Bisu any day ), but you can't just ignore the facts. He wasn't being biased, he was really just throwing down proven facts. LJD lost bad in the GF. I personally think he'll come back from it with a vengeance, and destroy both leagues, but it's not far fetched to think he won't, not by any means.
minggx
Profile Joined July 2009
Singapore14 Posts
August 13 2009 13:29 GMT
#80
Jaedong is too tired. Anyway Calm's victory (3:1) today is not surprise, noting how he overwhelmed EffOrt in 3:0.
Stork;smile to the life
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