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Mongery
Profile Joined May 2009
892 Posts
August 04 2009 07:54 GMT
#61
rly great written, keep it up!
http://www.twitch.tv/mongery_tv https://www.esportsearnings.com/players/27699-mongery-
MageKirby
Profile Joined July 2009
United States535 Posts
August 04 2009 12:02 GMT
#62
Week of Jaedong :O! Do the queen thing again plzz >8D
ghostWriter
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3302 Posts
August 04 2009 13:43 GMT
#63
On August 04 2009 09:38 EvoChamber wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2009 06:22 StorrZerg wrote:
On August 04 2009 06:01 ghostWriter wrote:
Was Jaedong vs Zero game 2 a build order win?
I thought it was a 9pool by zero and a 12hatch by jaedong, albeit with a very early gas by Zero. And I thought it was 9 pool > 12hatch > 12 pool > 9pool no? I thought Jaedong's win was due to the fact that they were cross-positions. Lately Jaedong and Effort have been pretty much making the build order inequalities seem obsolete though.

Also, I think that Leta's loss to type-b can be best explained by the fact that they are teammates. Leta practiced and refined his 2port wraith against his teammates, especially type-b and yellow[arnc] and I'm sure that they are both really good against it by now. Leta's TvZ was the best because even though he always did 2port wraith and people prepared specifically for his build, he still did it and won with his micro, macro and management (except against Jaedong on Outsider). If he wasn't playing against a teammate, I'm sure he could have busted out the 2port wraiths at least once and done a good job, or at least force the zerg to go for a fast hydra den.


Its jaedong. Bo advantages mean nothing. Losing 4 drones means nothing. Not going mutas means nothing.

Its all a win for the Tyrant


Jaedong 12 hatched, Zero went for an overgaspool build with ling speed. Standard overgaspool depends on walling off a ramp with zerglings while grabbing a fast second hatchery inbase; the earlier gas allows 6 mutas to be hatched off of one geyser once the spire completes. Zero's getting ling speed delayed his hatchery and put him way way behind in larva than Jaedong, who abused that advantage once his own ling speed finished to break Zero's ramp, kill some drones, and force a sunken colony. Even though he got to spire, Zero's economy was stuck and there was no way he could build a second hatchery. All he could do was pump mutas off of one gas, which Jaedong safely countered with two spores at each of his bases, even building a sunken at his natural to be extra safe against zergling runbys. Once Jaedong's own spire completed and his two gas geysers were operational, Zero was dead.

So yes it was a build order/positional win. Zero chose an awful build, got cross positions which made it even worse, and Jaedong exploited his advantage perfectly.


Oh, now that I think about it, you're totally right, it was an overgaspool. Thanks for the clarification! I was wondering why the pool/lings were so late. If he went standard 9pool, he would have gotten there in time to threaten the hatchery and force Jaedong's lings to guard at the ramp, correct?

On August 04 2009 14:21 Plexa wrote:
]I wouldn't go so far as to say that build orders dont matter in ZvZ, but when Jaedong is playing you can't get any more than an slight advantage from a build (unless you're Jaedong with the good build)


Yeah, that's why I said seem. The advantages are still there, but today's insane ling micro, thanks to the maps that promote ZvZ, does so much towards making the strategic imbalances seem surmountable.
Sullifam
ilistis
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States828 Posts
August 04 2009 19:06 GMT
#64
Jaedong ftw again! You'll see, all of you, fantasy will get crushed again.
"The man who removes a mountain begins by carrying away small stones."-William Faulkner *_*_*_Kolll FAN_*_*_*
EvoChamber
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France2505 Posts
August 04 2009 20:33 GMT
#65
On August 04 2009 22:43 ghostWriter wrote:

Oh, now that I think about it, you're totally right, it was an overgaspool. Thanks for the clarification! I was wondering why the pool/lings were so late. If he went standard 9pool, he would have gotten there in time to threaten the hatchery and force Jaedong's lings to guard at the ramp, correct?



I think (not too certain) that if Zero had gone 9poolspeed, he would have had to guess correctly which base Jaedong was at. Zero opened at SW and sent his ov to NW, Jaedong at NE sending to SE, so Zero had a 50-50 chance of guessing Jaedong's location as his lings hatched. I think most progamers send their lings across the map in those situations, though, so his lings would have reached Jaedong's base in time to probably kill any or all of Jaedong's natural hatchery, initial lings, and some drones and put Jaedong way behind. Though with Jaedong you never really know

Yeah, ZvZ is probably the matchup with the most interesting metagame right now.
That's not awful writing, DAMMIT. It's perfectly sensical english construction.
ghostWriter
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3302 Posts
August 04 2009 20:51 GMT
#66
On August 05 2009 05:33 EvoChamber wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2009 22:43 ghostWriter wrote:

Oh, now that I think about it, you're totally right, it was an overgaspool. Thanks for the clarification! I was wondering why the pool/lings were so late. If he went standard 9pool, he would have gotten there in time to threaten the hatchery and force Jaedong's lings to guard at the ramp, correct?



I think (not too certain) that if Zero had gone 9poolspeed, he would have had to guess correctly which base Jaedong was at. Zero opened at SW and sent his ov to NW, Jaedong at NE sending to SE, so Zero had a 50-50 chance of guessing Jaedong's location as his lings hatched. I think most progamers send their lings across the map in those situations, though, so his lings would have reached Jaedong's base in time to probably kill any or all of Jaedong's natural hatchery, initial lings, and some drones and put Jaedong way behind. Though with Jaedong you never really know

Yeah, ZvZ is probably the matchup with the most interesting metagame right now.


Yeah, I wouldn't give the win right to Zero since it's Jaedong. I think that he would have sent lings across the map as well (sending one to the SE), since it's the farthest and therefore, takes the longest to get to (like type-b did against Leta on the same map, + Show Spoiler +
although he won his game
).
Sullifam
PeAcY6969
Profile Joined January 2008
France621 Posts
August 05 2009 00:20 GMT
#67
Thanks Plexa
"MBCGame HERO... What Else ?"
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14892 Posts
August 05 2009 02:13 GMT
#68
good stuff
SynC[gm]
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States3127 Posts
August 05 2009 03:04 GMT
#69
FanTaSy, going for third straight, OSL finals, and hopefully his first OSL win...
Jaedong, going for his third OSL win, becoming the third player to win 3 OSL's and second Zerg to do so...
It's so hard to root for either one...

YellOw[ArnC] vs Type-B is gonna be cool, too. Basically seeing which Zerg is better in the SPARKYZ house...
twitch.tv/dizzywee
GoAudio
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Sweden400 Posts
August 05 2009 08:01 GMT
#70
it's gonna be lecaf > skt1 and JD > all OR!!!!!!!! skt1 > lecaf and fantasy > all XD
EffOrt[fOu] & Hyvaa[S.G] <3 :D
Mongery
Profile Joined May 2009
892 Posts
August 05 2009 08:08 GMT
#71
lecaf is really hot atm!
http://www.twitch.tv/mongery_tv https://www.esportsearnings.com/players/27699-mongery-
dcberkeley
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada844 Posts
August 05 2009 09:13 GMT
#72
So hot that they've become Hwaseung + Show Spoiler +
for like forever now


Hoping for Fantasy to magic a Fantasy week winning PL and his first OSL!
Moktira is da bomb
DragoonPK
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
3259 Posts
August 05 2009 22:49 GMT
#73
JvZ is awesome
HARUKI
Profile Joined August 2009
10 Posts
August 08 2009 01:14 GMT
#74
type-b for Bacchus win ~~
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