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[OSL] A Grand Summation - Page 5

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latent
Profile Joined March 2009
United States428 Posts
April 16 2009 21:24 GMT
#81
It was very good writing. Pretty funny stuff, especially the repeated analogies to the economy. I loved that.

But I hope the next OSL is more interesting. There was just too much fail in this series.

Game 2 Jaedong using his hydras to attack a building and letting 50 vultures in his base.

Game 3 Fantasy's complete disregard for the hydra den he scouted with his vulture.

Game 4 Fantasy's *1 base* 2 port wraith against muta...ugh utter fail.

Game 5 dropship to valkyrie build order. Please save me from the stupidity.
Moo
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11390 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-17 00:30:49
April 17 2009 00:30 GMT
#82
On April 17 2009 06:24 latent wrote:
Game 5 dropship to valkyrie build order. Please save me from the stupidity.

No. Just stop.
Moderator。◕‿◕。
latent
Profile Joined March 2009
United States428 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-17 01:38:44
April 17 2009 01:38 GMT
#83
On April 17 2009 09:30 Harem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2009 06:24 latent wrote:
Game 5 dropship to valkyrie build order. Please save me from the stupidity.

No. Just stop.

Should I outline why preceding the valkyrie build order with a dropship is so dangerous, or are you just trolling?
Moo
H
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
New Zealand6138 Posts
April 17 2009 03:28 GMT
#84
On April 17 2009 10:38 latent wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2009 09:30 Harem wrote:
On April 17 2009 06:24 latent wrote:
Game 5 dropship to valkyrie build order. Please save me from the stupidity.

No. Just stop.

Should I outline why preceding the valkyrie build order with a dropship is so dangerous, or are you just trolling?


oh my god you must be retarded

do you know who fantasy is
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51439 Posts
April 17 2009 03:28 GMT
#85
maybe you can go get your so called near progamer friend to come save your ass
Commentator
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11390 Posts
April 17 2009 03:32 GMT
#86
On April 17 2009 10:38 latent wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2009 09:30 Harem wrote:
On April 17 2009 06:24 latent wrote:
Game 5 dropship to valkyrie build order. Please save me from the stupidity.

No. Just stop.

Should I outline why preceding the valkyrie build order with a dropship is so dangerous, or are you just trolling?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=80595

You were saying?
Moderator。◕‿◕。
latent
Profile Joined March 2009
United States428 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-17 06:03:11
April 17 2009 05:32 GMT
#87
Sigh...don't you understand? Did you even compare Fantasy vs. Ggplay set 4 and Fantasy vs. Jaedong Game 5? GGplay went for *3 hatch* whereas Jaedong went for *2 hatch* mutas.

I think the perfect problem with this thread is what this guy says here:
"One might immediately ask “if the vulture harass is the key to this build, why not transition to M&M instead of mech?” The answer is that the mech transition is smoother. The valkyrie + goliath combination is key to holding off a quick mutalisk harass as the units are incredibly strong. To transition to valk+goliath, Fantasy only needed to add an armory and a factory. However, should Fantasy have decided to go M&M, he would have been adding on an e-bay, more barracks, then he would have needed the time to make lots of M&M, get an academy, make turrets (turrets will be more necessary with marine range+stim delayed) etc etc etc. Clearly, mech is the strongest transition from this opening."


But if you noticed, Fantasy *did* transition to M&M, including in Game 1. People's adaptation to his valkyrie build was to go *extremely* fast mutalisks, so that he couldn't build up his goliaths support for the valkyries. In fact, that's exactly what Luxury did (IIRC) in his series against Fantasy, but Luxury screwed up his micro and suicided his mutalisks.

That's why building a dropship against Jaedong in game 5 was so dangerous. Fantasy didn't have the *time* to build goliaths to counter the mutalisks and scourges (and eventually those oncoming zerglings). He needed that dropship money to defend against the super-fast anti-air. Why do you think he built turrets and marines in game 1???

I know it's the custom on TL to praise Fantasy and call this the "greatest TvZ series ever", but a build order is a build order. It has its weaknesses and strengths. The weakness in this build order is that it *depends* on Fantasy being successful with a vulture harass against 2 hatch mutas. Basically Fantasy's mindset was to harrass Jaedong to victory. He apparently had no confidence in his mechanics, or more likely his coaches didn't.


Now listen harem, when you posted that link I read that entire fracking post, watched every game he posted, and carefully analyzed every freaking word he wrote. I would highly appreciate it if you did the same for me before you reply.

As to whoever was insulting me about my friend, seriously get a life. I don't always need his help to make such a simple analysis, and what he does or doesn't do is none of your business.
Moo
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
April 19 2009 02:09 GMT
#88
That BO would've worked if fantasy managed to get his initial vulture in successfully, thus delaying the mutas and doing a great amount of damage with his followup drop.
Can you please stop posting though? When no one agrees with you, not even the foreign pros, why do you think you are right?
Jaedong
latent
Profile Joined March 2009
United States428 Posts
April 19 2009 02:20 GMT
#89
On April 19 2009 11:09 Avidkeystamper wrote:
That BO would've worked if fantasy managed to get his initial vulture in successfully, thus delaying the mutas and doing a great amount of damage with his followup drop.
Can you please stop posting though? When no one agrees with you, not even the foreign pros, why do you think you are right?


What part of "tried to harrass his way to victory" did you not understand?

Since you have nothing intelligent to add, can you please stop replying to my comments? I would appreciate it.
Moo
EvoChamber
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France2505 Posts
April 19 2009 05:12 GMT
#90
Since your attitude is terrible, could you please stop posting? We'd all appreciate that.
That's not awful writing, DAMMIT. It's perfectly sensical english construction.
latent
Profile Joined March 2009
United States428 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-19 06:54:20
April 19 2009 06:51 GMT
#91
Are you basing my attitude off of one post? Why not read my other posts, the ones where I constantly express gratitude for others' contributions, Or why not note how many times avid and a couple others have insulted or sworn at me? Don't you think after spending all that time analyzing another person's thread and posting my own analysis, I deserve an intelligent and non-offensive response? Especially when I'm responding to comments like "maybe you can go get your so called near progamer friend to come save your ass". Yet all you manage to do is focus on me? Are you serious?
Moo
EvoChamber
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France2505 Posts
April 19 2009 07:43 GMT
#92
I'm talking about your tone, which is consistently arrogant and inconsiderate. You always sound like you're doing us a tremendous favor by posting. I'm just saying that you're not.
That's not awful writing, DAMMIT. It's perfectly sensical english construction.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
April 20 2009 00:53 GMT
#93
On April 19 2009 11:20 latent wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2009 11:09 Avidkeystamper wrote:
That BO would've worked if fantasy managed to get his initial vulture in successfully, thus delaying the mutas and doing a great amount of damage with his followup drop.
Can you please stop posting though? When no one agrees with you, not even the foreign pros, why do you think you are right?


What part of "tried to harrass his way to victory" did you not understand?

Since you have nothing intelligent to add, can you please stop replying to my comments? I would appreciate it.

The part where you say that that is a bad strategy, where it clearly is not, and a 1 second timing made all the difference.
Jaedong
latent
Profile Joined March 2009
United States428 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-23 07:27:08
April 23 2009 07:26 GMT
#94
On April 19 2009 16:43 EvoChamber wrote:
I'm talking about your tone, which is consistently arrogant and inconsiderate. You always sound like you're doing us a tremendous favor by posting. I'm just saying that you're not.


My tone? What about the tone of the few people who swear at me, ignore my entire post and say "you know nothing"? What am I supposed to do, say "please please listen to me. please i might be wrong but i think i might possibly have an idea. please." Does it even occur to you how much flak I have to go through just to post something the inept idiocracy of this forum doesn't agree with?

What about people who write their own analyses? Or post long "features" about the "metagame", or comment in live report threads about what a player did right or wrong? Do you honestly think they're somehow more qualified to make these broad, sweeping claims than myself? And yet you single ME out, the one who has done nothing to attack you or anyone else? Genius!
Moo
latent
Profile Joined March 2009
United States428 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-23 07:47:19
April 23 2009 07:28 GMT
#95
On April 20 2009 09:53 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2009 11:20 latent wrote:
On April 19 2009 11:09 Avidkeystamper wrote:
That BO would've worked if fantasy managed to get his initial vulture in successfully, thus delaying the mutas and doing a great amount of damage with his followup drop.
Can you please stop posting though? When no one agrees with you, not even the foreign pros, why do you think you are right?


What part of "tried to harrass his way to victory" did you not understand?

Since you have nothing intelligent to add, can you please stop replying to my comments? I would appreciate it.

The part where you say that that is a bad strategy, where it clearly is not, and a 1 second timing made all the difference.


Avid, you're the clueless fool who said in the last Fantasy vs. Jaedong PL match that Fantasy had the advantage the entire time. This despite the fact that the Korean commentators, the English commentators, and everyone, even me, believed Jaedong had the advantage the majority of the match. So please, save your all-knowing wisdom for yourself.
Moo
piratebay
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States399 Posts
May 04 2009 22:57 GMT
#96
On April 23 2009 16:28 latent wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2009 09:53 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On April 19 2009 11:20 latent wrote:
On April 19 2009 11:09 Avidkeystamper wrote:
That BO would've worked if fantasy managed to get his initial vulture in successfully, thus delaying the mutas and doing a great amount of damage with his followup drop.
Can you please stop posting though? When no one agrees with you, not even the foreign pros, why do you think you are right?


What part of "tried to harrass his way to victory" did you not understand?

Since you have nothing intelligent to add, can you please stop replying to my comments? I would appreciate it.

The part where you say that that is a bad strategy, where it clearly is not, and a 1 second timing made all the difference.


Avid, you're the clueless fool who said in the last Fantasy vs. Jaedong PL match that Fantasy had the advantage the entire time. This despite the fact that the Korean commentators, the English commentators, and everyone, even me, believed Jaedong had the advantage the majority of the match. So please, save your all-knowing wisdom for yourself.


lol. and you are wondering why people are asking you to stop posting.
peetah
Profile Joined August 2005
Sweden88 Posts
May 14 2009 22:59 GMT
#97
Great writeup!
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
May 27 2009 05:22 GMT
#98
Damn, I wish TL would ban for stupidity.
Jaedong
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