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latent
United States428 Posts
But I hope the next OSL is more interesting. There was just too much fail in this series. Game 2 Jaedong using his hydras to attack a building and letting 50 vultures in his base. Game 3 Fantasy's complete disregard for the hydra den he scouted with his vulture. Game 4 Fantasy's *1 base* 2 port wraith against muta...ugh utter fail. Game 5 dropship to valkyrie build order. Please save me from the stupidity. | ||
Harem
United States11393 Posts
On April 17 2009 06:24 latent wrote: Game 5 dropship to valkyrie build order. Please save me from the stupidity. No. Just stop. | ||
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latent
United States428 Posts
Should I outline why preceding the valkyrie build order with a dropship is so dangerous, or are you just trolling? | ||
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New Zealand6138 Posts
On April 17 2009 10:38 latent wrote: Should I outline why preceding the valkyrie build order with a dropship is so dangerous, or are you just trolling? oh my god you must be retarded do you know who fantasy is | ||
GTR
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Harem
United States11393 Posts
On April 17 2009 10:38 latent wrote: Should I outline why preceding the valkyrie build order with a dropship is so dangerous, or are you just trolling? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=80595 You were saying? | ||
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latent
United States428 Posts
I think the perfect problem with this thread is what this guy says here: "One might immediately ask “if the vulture harass is the key to this build, why not transition to M&M instead of mech?” The answer is that the mech transition is smoother. The valkyrie + goliath combination is key to holding off a quick mutalisk harass as the units are incredibly strong. To transition to valk+goliath, Fantasy only needed to add an armory and a factory. However, should Fantasy have decided to go M&M, he would have been adding on an e-bay, more barracks, then he would have needed the time to make lots of M&M, get an academy, make turrets (turrets will be more necessary with marine range+stim delayed) etc etc etc. Clearly, mech is the strongest transition from this opening." But if you noticed, Fantasy *did* transition to M&M, including in Game 1. People's adaptation to his valkyrie build was to go *extremely* fast mutalisks, so that he couldn't build up his goliaths support for the valkyries. In fact, that's exactly what Luxury did (IIRC) in his series against Fantasy, but Luxury screwed up his micro and suicided his mutalisks. That's why building a dropship against Jaedong in game 5 was so dangerous. Fantasy didn't have the *time* to build goliaths to counter the mutalisks and scourges (and eventually those oncoming zerglings). He needed that dropship money to defend against the super-fast anti-air. Why do you think he built turrets and marines in game 1??? I know it's the custom on TL to praise Fantasy and call this the "greatest TvZ series ever", but a build order is a build order. It has its weaknesses and strengths. The weakness in this build order is that it *depends* on Fantasy being successful with a vulture harass against 2 hatch mutas. Basically Fantasy's mindset was to harrass Jaedong to victory. He apparently had no confidence in his mechanics, or more likely his coaches didn't. Now listen harem, when you posted that link I read that entire fracking post, watched every game he posted, and carefully analyzed every freaking word he wrote. I would highly appreciate it if you did the same for me before you reply. As to whoever was insulting me about my friend, seriously get a life. I don't always need his help to make such a simple analysis, and what he does or doesn't do is none of your business. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
Can you please stop posting though? When no one agrees with you, not even the foreign pros, why do you think you are right? | ||
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latent
United States428 Posts
On April 19 2009 11:09 Avidkeystamper wrote: That BO would've worked if fantasy managed to get his initial vulture in successfully, thus delaying the mutas and doing a great amount of damage with his followup drop. Can you please stop posting though? When no one agrees with you, not even the foreign pros, why do you think you are right? What part of "tried to harrass his way to victory" did you not understand? Since you have nothing intelligent to add, can you please stop replying to my comments? I would appreciate it. | ||
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EvoChamber
France2505 Posts
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latent
United States428 Posts
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EvoChamber
France2505 Posts
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
On April 19 2009 11:20 latent wrote: What part of "tried to harrass his way to victory" did you not understand? Since you have nothing intelligent to add, can you please stop replying to my comments? I would appreciate it. The part where you say that that is a bad strategy, where it clearly is not, and a 1 second timing made all the difference. | ||
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latent
United States428 Posts
On April 19 2009 16:43 EvoChamber wrote: I'm talking about your tone, which is consistently arrogant and inconsiderate. You always sound like you're doing us a tremendous favor by posting. I'm just saying that you're not. My tone? What about the tone of the few people who swear at me, ignore my entire post and say "you know nothing"? What am I supposed to do, say "please please listen to me. please i might be wrong but i think i might possibly have an idea. please." Does it even occur to you how much flak I have to go through just to post something the inept idiocracy of this forum doesn't agree with? What about people who write their own analyses? Or post long "features" about the "metagame", or comment in live report threads about what a player did right or wrong? Do you honestly think they're somehow more qualified to make these broad, sweeping claims than myself? And yet you single ME out, the one who has done nothing to attack you or anyone else? Genius! | ||
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latent
United States428 Posts
On April 20 2009 09:53 Avidkeystamper wrote: The part where you say that that is a bad strategy, where it clearly is not, and a 1 second timing made all the difference. Avid, you're the clueless fool who said in the last Fantasy vs. Jaedong PL match that Fantasy had the advantage the entire time. This despite the fact that the Korean commentators, the English commentators, and everyone, even me, believed Jaedong had the advantage the majority of the match. So please, save your all-knowing wisdom for yourself. | ||
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piratebay
United States399 Posts
On April 23 2009 16:28 latent wrote: Avid, you're the clueless fool who said in the last Fantasy vs. Jaedong PL match that Fantasy had the advantage the entire time. This despite the fact that the Korean commentators, the English commentators, and everyone, even me, believed Jaedong had the advantage the majority of the match. So please, save your all-knowing wisdom for yourself. lol. and you are wondering why people are asking you to stop posting. | ||
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