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Dealer
Sweden1368 Posts
On December 22 2008 09:03 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2008 08:59 ret wrote:On December 22 2008 08:57 LosingID8 wrote:On December 22 2008 08:53 Dealer wrote:On December 22 2008 08:49 OneOther wrote:On December 22 2008 08:47 Dealer wrote:
Dunno how anyone can say Dinot is fucked when he's at a clear advantage despite losing 12-13 drones. JF hasnt been able to get out of his base, that should be a sign of something to you.
Game ends when Dinot gets hive tech. LOL are you joking?. let's see here. dinot is really behind in upgrades. he JUST got his fourth base up, JF gonna be working with 4 bases. 160 population vs 100. maybe you were joking idk. Wasnt 4 bases when i wrote it, JF had 2  And had dinot stopped his mass hydra idea he would've seen a better end. And for your information upgrades dont win PvZ, especially as Dinot did have his upgrades pretty well managed. No lings is not the way to ZvP though. OneOther is B protoss... he probably knows how to play PvZ... Dealer is an oldschool gosu... probably knows too just by keeping up with the scene and watching games and the hydra/lurker were well worth the money for slowing down jf's 3rd SO much, he should've known when to make the switch to lurk/ling/hive faster tho ^ so Dealer is right Ret, dinot didn't have an advantage - he was behind. How can you deny this? lol When Dealer posted, JF had the island running and warping the fourth Nexus at mineral only. Dinot was running on three bases, with the fourth hatchery finished and unmined. JF was far ahead in upgrades. It was only a matter of time before JF broke out and rolled Dinot tover
To correct you, when i wrote it Dinot raped JFs attempt at breaking out and sent him back into his natural, immediatly after he set up the island though.
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United States10774 Posts
On December 22 2008 09:07 Dealer wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2008 09:01 OneOther wrote:On December 22 2008 08:53 Dealer wrote:On December 22 2008 08:49 OneOther wrote:On December 22 2008 08:47 Dealer wrote:
Dunno how anyone can say Dinot is fucked when he's at a clear advantage despite losing 12-13 drones. JF hasnt been able to get out of his base, that should be a sign of something to you.
Game ends when Dinot gets hive tech. LOL are you joking?. let's see here. dinot is really behind in upgrades. he JUST got his fourth base up, JF gonna be working with 4 bases. 160 population vs 100. maybe you were joking idk. Wasnt 4 bases when i wrote it, JF had 2 And had dinot stopped his mass hydra idea he would've seen a better end. And for your information upgrades dont win PvZ, especially as Dinot did have his upgrades pretty well managed. No lings is not the way to ZvP though. What..JF got the island way before you wrote it, and was in the middle of warping the mineral only Nexus. If Dinot stopped the mass hydra, JF would have taken the mineral only much earlier and would have rolled him over. Dinot could not win after losing 12 drones like that. I appreciate your information that upgrades don't win games, but it certainly is a huge deal. 2+ Weapon Protoss verses 0-0-0 Zerg is not pretty. (Dinot did not manage upgrades, he got two evos a couple minutes before JF attacked) There's no way Zerg can win from that position. You fail to see that it takes him quite a while to even gain the 20 cannons he put down? I probably know more about PvZ then you ever will, i can honestly say and back it up that there was a time when i didnt lose to any protoss in the world, granted the matchup was horribly imbalanced at that time and there are hundreds of other zergs that were in the same seat. If you are unable to understand my words, having one of the best foreign ZvPers back them up should at least give you a hint. I dont deny the result, but in my eyes it was mainly Dinots mistakes that led to it.
I could care less about how great and kickass you were, you are just plain simple wrong my friend. This is what you said:
"Dunno how anyone can say Dinot is fucked when he's at a clear advantage despite losing 12-13 drones. JF hasnt been able to get out of his base, that should be a sign of something to you.
Game ends when Dinot gets hive tech."
When you posted that, as I said in my previous post, JF had the island running and was warping the Nexus with +2 coming in. Dinot was massively pressuring with Hydras (with a crippled economy, losing 12 drones) But after JF completed the island the game was basically over, it was only a matter of time. You can't do anything as a three base Zerg when the Protoss third kicks in. Being behind in upgrades doesn't help either.
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United States10774 Posts
On December 22 2008 09:08 Dealer wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2008 09:03 OneOther wrote:On December 22 2008 08:59 ret wrote:On December 22 2008 08:57 LosingID8 wrote:On December 22 2008 08:53 Dealer wrote:On December 22 2008 08:49 OneOther wrote:On December 22 2008 08:47 Dealer wrote:
Dunno how anyone can say Dinot is fucked when he's at a clear advantage despite losing 12-13 drones. JF hasnt been able to get out of his base, that should be a sign of something to you.
Game ends when Dinot gets hive tech. LOL are you joking?. let's see here. dinot is really behind in upgrades. he JUST got his fourth base up, JF gonna be working with 4 bases. 160 population vs 100. maybe you were joking idk. Wasnt 4 bases when i wrote it, JF had 2 And had dinot stopped his mass hydra idea he would've seen a better end. And for your information upgrades dont win PvZ, especially as Dinot did have his upgrades pretty well managed. No lings is not the way to ZvP though. OneOther is B protoss... he probably knows how to play PvZ... Dealer is an oldschool gosu... probably knows too just by keeping up with the scene and watching games and the hydra/lurker were well worth the money for slowing down jf's 3rd SO much, he should've known when to make the switch to lurk/ling/hive faster tho ^ so Dealer is right Ret, dinot didn't have an advantage - he was behind. How can you deny this? lol When Dealer posted, JF had the island running and warping the fourth Nexus at mineral only. Dinot was running on three bases, with the fourth hatchery finished and unmined. JF was far ahead in upgrades. It was only a matter of time before JF broke out and rolled Dinot tover To correct you, when i wrote it Dinot raped JFs attempt at breaking out and sent him back into his natural, immediatly after he set up the island though.
What..when you posted, JF had completed the island already..
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On December 22 2008 09:03 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2008 08:59 ret wrote:On December 22 2008 08:57 LosingID8 wrote:On December 22 2008 08:53 Dealer wrote:On December 22 2008 08:49 OneOther wrote:On December 22 2008 08:47 Dealer wrote:
Dunno how anyone can say Dinot is fucked when he's at a clear advantage despite losing 12-13 drones. JF hasnt been able to get out of his base, that should be a sign of something to you.
Game ends when Dinot gets hive tech. LOL are you joking?. let's see here. dinot is really behind in upgrades. he JUST got his fourth base up, JF gonna be working with 4 bases. 160 population vs 100. maybe you were joking idk. Wasnt 4 bases when i wrote it, JF had 2 And had dinot stopped his mass hydra idea he would've seen a better end. And for your information upgrades dont win PvZ, especially as Dinot did have his upgrades pretty well managed. No lings is not the way to ZvP though. OneOther is B protoss... he probably knows how to play PvZ... Dealer is an oldschool gosu... probably knows too just by keeping up with the scene and watching games and the hydra/lurker were well worth the money for slowing down jf's 3rd SO much, he should've known when to make the switch to lurk/ling/hive faster tho ^ so Dealer is right Ret, dinot didn't have an advantage - he was behind. How can you deny this? lol When Dealer posted, JF had the island running and warping the fourth Nexus at mineral only. Dinot was running on three bases, with the fourth hatchery finished and unmined. JF was far ahead in upgrades. It was only a matter of time before JF broke out and rolled Dinot tover
After he broke the 3rd for the second time dinot had an advantage and needed to get his 4th/5th online asap and get those upgrades kicking. However, he didn't and the advantage soon flicked back to JF once he got the island online.
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United States10774 Posts
On December 22 2008 09:11 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2008 09:03 OneOther wrote:On December 22 2008 08:59 ret wrote:On December 22 2008 08:57 LosingID8 wrote:On December 22 2008 08:53 Dealer wrote:On December 22 2008 08:49 OneOther wrote:On December 22 2008 08:47 Dealer wrote:
Dunno how anyone can say Dinot is fucked when he's at a clear advantage despite losing 12-13 drones. JF hasnt been able to get out of his base, that should be a sign of something to you.
Game ends when Dinot gets hive tech. LOL are you joking?. let's see here. dinot is really behind in upgrades. he JUST got his fourth base up, JF gonna be working with 4 bases. 160 population vs 100. maybe you were joking idk. Wasnt 4 bases when i wrote it, JF had 2 And had dinot stopped his mass hydra idea he would've seen a better end. And for your information upgrades dont win PvZ, especially as Dinot did have his upgrades pretty well managed. No lings is not the way to ZvP though. OneOther is B protoss... he probably knows how to play PvZ... Dealer is an oldschool gosu... probably knows too just by keeping up with the scene and watching games and the hydra/lurker were well worth the money for slowing down jf's 3rd SO much, he should've known when to make the switch to lurk/ling/hive faster tho ^ so Dealer is right Ret, dinot didn't have an advantage - he was behind. How can you deny this? lol When Dealer posted, JF had the island running and warping the fourth Nexus at mineral only. Dinot was running on three bases, with the fourth hatchery finished and unmined. JF was far ahead in upgrades. It was only a matter of time before JF broke out and rolled Dinot tover After he broke the 3rd for the second time dinot had an advantage and needed to get his 4th/5th online asap and get those upgrades kicking. However, he didn't and the advantage soon flicked back to JF once he got the island online.
Well I guess that's the difference maker then lol. I was refreshing like every 15 seconds, and saw Dealer's post either when island was pretty much done.My mistake in that case.
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Dealer
Sweden1368 Posts
Dude, i believe i know when i wrote what better then you do.
To repeat a previous post, his island was pretty much nullified during the game due to spending so much to protect it given the amount of probes he had there, when he got his 2nd nat and dinot lacked a queens nest, i agree the game was over.
Upgrades are more or less irrelevant, he lost because he stayed with hydras, you could give his hydras 2-2 and he would still be raped as mass hydras are just...weak?
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United States10774 Posts
On December 22 2008 09:15 Dealer wrote:
Dude, i believe i know when i wrote what better then you do.
To repeat a previous post, his island was pretty much nullified during the game due to spending so much to protect it given the amount of probes he had there, when he got his 2nd nat and dinot lacked a queens nest, i agree the game was over.
Upgrades are more or less irrelevant, he lost because he stayed with hydras, you could give his hydras 2-2 and he would still be raped as mass hydras are just...weak?
My bad then, saw your post when JF completed his island + about to take the fourth.
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i remember watching games of dealer from a long time ago when my brother was playing. Dont know if they played but it was from the same tournaments
edit: several years ago. Around the time when Slayer was playing and SaFT was the best player in sweden
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Dealer
Sweden1368 Posts
Well, i dont deny that i might've been slow with the post, cause 30 secs after i tabbed back dinot lost all the contain and the game was over right there.
I didnt watch anything except end of game 6 and 7 but judging from the zergs i used to play pretty much none would've stayed at lair after denying the exp attempt.
Dinots style sure is fun, but i'm quite positive none can argue that its not optimal, there's a reason the dominant korean zergs switched to mainly lurker/ling a long time ago.
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DARN I totally didn't realize this was today.
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On December 22 2008 09:15 Dealer wrote:
Dude, i believe i know when i wrote what better then you do.
I don't know when you wrote it, but when you posted it, JF had 4 bases. Check my posts immediately before yours: JF was pushing out of dinot's contain on his 3rd base, and he was cannoning up the island (he had started the nexus sometime before. I don't remember whether the nexus was complete or just finishing warping in, but JF certainly had that base.)
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Ohh Crap!!
i thought 3-1 dinot.. he cant give that away so i closed stream for others to watch.. MEHHH i was wrong 
im happy though.. Jf was the better player in my head!
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That was an epic comeback from JF. How many people can come back from 3:1 and win 4:3??
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Dealer
Sweden1368 Posts
On December 22 2008 09:18 Dataleif wrote:
i remember watching games of dealer from a long time ago when my brother was playing. Dont know if they played but it was from the same tournaments
edit: several years ago. Around the time when Slayer was playing and SaFT was the best player in sweden
Who was your brother?
Wish i had kept better control of my replays from 2000-2001.
Reps with Nada, Garimto, Themarine, intotherain would probably sell for a bit to some korean fans
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United States10774 Posts
On December 22 2008 09:21 Dealer wrote:
Well, i dont deny that i might've been slow with the post, cause 30 secs after i tabbed back dinot lost all the contain and the game was over right there.
I didnt watch anything except end of game 6 and 7 but judging from the zergs i used to play pretty much none would've stayed at lair after denying the exp attempt.
Dinots style sure is fun, but i'm quite positive none can argue that its not optimal, there's a reason the dominant korean zergs switched to mainly lurker/ling a long time ago.
Yeah, I just went back to read when it was posted, and it was after Dinot attempted that natural break + JF stormed three hydras. I remember it very well. JF's island was already running, and he positioned his army at the warping mineral only base, which is why Dinot attacked the natural. I guess there was some delay between when you started writing it and when it was actually posted.
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On December 22 2008 09:28 Dealer wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2008 09:18 Dataleif wrote:
i remember watching games of dealer from a long time ago when my brother was playing. Dont know if they played but it was from the same tournaments
edit: several years ago. Around the time when Slayer was playing and SaFT was the best player in sweden Who was your brother? Wish i had kept better control of my replays from 2000-2001. Reps with Nada, Garimto, Themarine, intotherain would probably sell for a bit to some korean fans
He used either Beaverboy or Delandor. Was a protoss player.
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Dealer
Sweden1368 Posts
I apologize for all negative posts as you are a select one able to spot perfectionated Protoss.
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Dealer
Sweden1368 Posts
On December 22 2008 09:36 Dataleif wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2008 09:28 Dealer wrote:On December 22 2008 09:18 Dataleif wrote:
i remember watching games of dealer from a long time ago when my brother was playing. Dont know if they played but it was from the same tournaments
edit: several years ago. Around the time when Slayer was playing and SaFT was the best player in sweden Who was your brother? Wish i had kept better control of my replays from 2000-2001. Reps with Nada, Garimto, Themarine, intotherain would probably sell for a bit to some korean fans He used either Beaverboy or Delandor. Was a protoss player.
Yea, have a slight memory, from north sweden iirc
If my memory serves me right he'd be a JF fan given he was quite the reaver lover
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On December 22 2008 09:43 Dealer wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2008 09:36 Dataleif wrote:On December 22 2008 09:28 Dealer wrote:On December 22 2008 09:18 Dataleif wrote:
i remember watching games of dealer from a long time ago when my brother was playing. Dont know if they played but it was from the same tournaments
edit: several years ago. Around the time when Slayer was playing and SaFT was the best player in sweden Who was your brother? Wish i had kept better control of my replays from 2000-2001. Reps with Nada, Garimto, Themarine, intotherain would probably sell for a bit to some korean fans He used either Beaverboy or Delandor. Was a protoss player. Yea, have a slight memory, from north sweden iirc If my memory serves me right he'd be a JF fan given he was quite the reaver lover
haha yeah thats him alright
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