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Chill
Calgary25991 Posts
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29 fps
United States5725 Posts
On November 17 2008 08:09 Shikyo wrote: ![[image loading]](http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/7828/gdrsggsgsfgsxw9.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://g.imageshack.us/img136/gdrsggsgsfgsxw9.jpg/1/) Are you dumb? It's funny how 99% of the people telling Salv is bad would get totally raped him. And he never even said anything about him owning Chill. this picture doesnt show a name, and it shows the player playing zerg, which wasnt salv's race. so i dunno what you're trying to say here, really.... defending salv with a fake pic? those were gg's of course. i just got sick of hearing moletrap constantly saying "if things went a different way, we woulda won". that's just obvious, because if "you didn't fuck up the micro/macro" or what not, of course the game would've been different. if you walled off properly against toss, if you mined gas from the assim and just went 2 gate goon with a few zs to wall in pvp, etc. i liked the commentary. the trash talking was very entertaining. edit: based on the pic, it could be anyone. and why didnt he play his main race then? | ||
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Salv
Canada3083 Posts
On November 18 2008 22:43 29 fps wrote: this picture doesnt show a name, and it shows the player playing zerg, which wasnt salv's race. so i dunno what you're trying to say here, really.... defending salv with a fake pic? those were gg's of course. i just got sick of hearing moletrap constantly saying "if things went a different way, we woulda won". that's just obvious, because if "you didn't fuck up the micro/macro" or what not, of course the game would've been different. if you walled off properly against toss, if you mined gas from the assim and just went 2 gate goon with a few zs to wall in pvp, etc. i liked the commentary. the trash talking was very entertaining. edit: based on the pic, it could be anyone. and why didnt he play his main race then? Try to follow along; it isn't complicated. gH-Salv is my old account I used in season 6, I played Protoss there and got B-. Now I use that account for off racing, that's why it says Zerg now. Insight.Salv is what I use now. I don't deny that the game I played was pretty bad. Chill said it best: On November 18 2008 22:17 Chill wrote: I think it's a combination of things. I got B during TSL, which was clearly the hardest season of ICC. Also, he choked a little bit, making his play look really terrible, whereas I was very confident. | ||
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29 fps
United States5725 Posts
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RaGe
Belgium9949 Posts
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pyrogenetix
China5098 Posts
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Salv
Canada3083 Posts
On November 18 2008 23:57 RaGe wrote: how is this still a discussion It's a hot topic as of late | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36390 Posts
if it takes you 200 games to get to C and you can't win half of the games played at that level, yes you're "technically C" but the true rank won't be an accurate measurement of your level for example, even though Salv got to B-, his record breakdown is as follows: C+ = 2-5 C = 22-28 C- = 14-14 suggests his level is roughly around C- couple this disparity with Chill's B during the uber-difficult TSL season, the fact that chill has more pressure-game experience, and the ridiculous rape that was game 7 of the series doesn't really look that unexpected that's what a B/B+ player destroying a C/C- player looks like, its lopsided. yes salv played bad, there's no excuse for a C- player forgetting attack upgrade until your opponent has hive, but frankly the skill gap (C vs B) made it virtually impossible to win against a style like Chill's anyway. so people stop jumping on him for his icc rank and performance. sure he did reach B- but the most recent gamelist indicates his "true rank" is closer to C or C-, so the bad loss to chill was entirely normal and expected. | ||
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RaGe
Belgium9949 Posts
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InfeSteD
United States4658 Posts
[edit] To Chill , Do you think the level of this season is way higher than during TSL? | ||
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Salv
Canada3083 Posts
On November 19 2008 04:06 InfeSteD wrote: [edit] To Chill , Do you think the level of this season is way higher than during TSL? I know you asked Chill; but I've played every season to some degree and I can say that TSL was by far the hardest season. This one is the second closest, but TSL was still very, very difficult; even at low levels and late into the season. & Thanks Hotbid | ||
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Yaqoob
Canada3348 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36390 Posts
On November 19 2008 05:53 Yaqoob wrote: Salv is defiantly not C-/C. He is a C+ player at least and all those loses were from playing 40 games PvZ @ Andromeda and practicing different builds. He wasn't playing the builds that he was comfortable with but trying out what other people told him and stuff like that. I'm sure everyone else on ICCup only plays with builds they've practiced a million times. We use letter rankings as a way to judge people's skill level relative to one another. What I'm saying is the actual rank of Salv doesn't matter, just that he's several ranks below Chill. If you want to shift the entire scale up three ranks fine, that means Salv is B- and Chill is A, and the pros are like wraparound R+ or something. The game was lopsided and rightfully so, no amount of posturing around B-/B changes that. I suspect if they play 10 games Salv will struggle to win more than one. That's not a slight toward Salv or some huge Chill fanpost, but rather simply a declaration of the harsh reality of the difference in level between them. Chill knows this, Salv knows this, and everyone that watched knows this. What I find interesting is that the people who are most concerned with portraying themselves at a certain rank are usually those that a) have never really played games that truly "mattered" in a competitive sense or b) aren't truly the rank they present themselves to be. Do you see Nony or Inc or Idra or anyone like that obsessively debating whether they are A or A- or A+ or whatever? No, because they know how good they are and they don't need to come post about how "no you are wrong, I'm not C- I'm C+ at least!" Arguing about rank is a sign of weakness and insecurity, not strength. Who cares if a few people think Salv is C-? Are you really proving anything to people by simply declaring "Salv is C+, he wasn't trying his best during ladder season?" It seems you care more than Salv does, he's not making excuses or misrepresenting his own skill. | ||
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andiCR
Costa Rica2273 Posts
Te amo por el ano! XD jk | ||
OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On November 19 2008 01:54 Hot_Bid wrote: theres just a huge difference between early season and late season iccup levels and the difference between having good stats (50%+ win at that level) and getting there at 50-70 relying on motw if it takes you 200 games to get to C and you can't win half of the games played at that level, yes you're "technically C" but the true rank won't be an accurate measurement of your level for example, even though Salv got to B-, his record breakdown is as follows: C+ = 2-5 C = 22-28 C- = 14-14 suggests his level is roughly around C- couple this disparity with Chill's B during the uber-difficult TSL season, the fact that chill has more pressure-game experience, and the ridiculous rape that was game 7 of the series doesn't really look that unexpected that's what a B/B+ player destroying a C/C- player looks like, its lopsided. yes salv played bad, there's no excuse for a C- player forgetting attack upgrade until your opponent has hive, but frankly the skill gap (C vs B) made it virtually impossible to win against a style like Chill's anyway. so people stop jumping on him for his icc rank and performance. sure he did reach B- but the most recent gamelist indicates his "true rank" is closer to C or C-, so the bad loss to chill was entirely normal and expected. good post ken. | ||
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LuMaLo
Germany26 Posts
Good shit | ||
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LordWeird
United States3411 Posts
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LuMaLo
Germany26 Posts
On November 17 2008 06:53 GinNtoniC wrote: I feel we're being a tad bit too evil about this. It's not all that much fun trash talking people into the ground when they're not talking back like at all. I sort of feel bad for sc2gg that way. If they had someone on the stream who could talk back, laugh a little, deal out some verbal punches, then it'd all be good. But this way, it's just chill and rage bullying poor moletrap and sc2gg. I dunno, just kinda makes me feel bad :S (The whole "this is all just for fun" kind of spirit is not shining through. like at all) I agree, i think we all knew and it was expected from tl.net to pull off such a convincing win, i had personally no doubts, as neither did so many people here to be honest. And shit talking is really fun when it goes back and forth, not so much when they cant do anything about it. On another note, moletrap did have it coming just because he kept saying "its not like were getting stomped on" or "a lot of games could have gone either way", because that was just NOT TRUE. Would have been better if he had just accepted defeat and maybe ask for tips :S. I dont know, it was just brutal. | ||
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BlackStar
Netherlands3029 Posts
Iccup ranks aren't set into stone and aren't created equal. | ||
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
Which is why I just go back to how I used to respond before iccup was around... "Are you good?" "Good enough, go glhf." | ||
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