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Braavos36375 Posts
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Music intro by yubee
This week Chill talks about his Blizzcon experience. You'll find stories about the TL gatherings, awkward moments, and which TL member Chill would want as a roommate. We also talk about what it was like watching the invitational matches live, and our thoughts on SC2.
Also this week, Nony comes on the show to "drop the truth" on his Spirit and WCG USA wins, who he think should be on Europe's best lineup (and whether Team USA could beat them), and why he seriously loves BackHo.
Download the Liquid Podcast Episode 2: Nony
Mp3 format, please download (save target) instead of stream.
This is still a new feature, so any feedback or criticism for us to improve is welcome. There's definitely room for a lot of improvement, so please do not be shy.
If you want us to talk about a specific topic or answer a certain question next episode, or if you just want to talk about this episode, please PM Chill or PM Hot_Bid.
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Of course Nony loves Bachho. Backho is awesome. Especially when he loses. So skilled, so silly.
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Calgary25981 Posts
I want to say that I know I fucked up 한국어 and said 한굴어. Also I know that sentence probably makes zero grammatical sense, which should be self-evident by the sentence itself saying my korean is not good. :D
I think this episode turned out well but let us know what you like / don't like. Thanks!
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On October 14 2008 01:04 Chill wrote:
I want to say that I know I fucked up 한국어 and said 한굴어. Also I know that sentence probably makes zero grammatical sense, which should be self-evident by the sentence itself saying my korean is not good. :D
I think this episode turned out well but let us know what you like / don't like. Thanks!
I don't like your Korean D:<
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United States20661 Posts
I think at least 4 of us on the car spoke Mandarin.
Drunk haji! :D
Peanut is lulz
SonkiE awkwardturtle + Peanut = amusing.
I'd attribute Ratatat to intrigue
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Which one of you geniuses puts Ratatat as your opening... You are my best friend <3
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I LOVE TL PODCASTS!
Seriously this is one of the things I look forward to for the week ^_^
Great job, listening now!!
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Hungary11296 Posts
Amazing, cant listen now, but I am thrilled already.
And I like how the news come busting out the past days.
edit: whoot, HT *psyonic crackle*
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All of us like Nony.. its a thing in America.. hes probably are favorite player following fakesteve
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WOOT Another podcast! I loved the last one, can't wait to hear this one. Thanks Chill and HotBid!
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I LOVE YOU GUYS
Episode 1 was great, this will be too.
Will listen after I finish watching OSL Ro8.
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United States12607 Posts
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Nice. I was thinking earlier today, "Wtf happened to those TL podcasts, no new ones?"
And sure enough when I get in....
Thank you~
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yeahh another! im sure it's gonna be great
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You guys do an awesome job with these podcasts. It's some of the best stuff I have seen TL put out.
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Great great episode.
And Nony "I don't think I have that many fans."
NONY FIGHTING!!!! Hope you get to kick some proleague ass 
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<-- Nony fan
A Korean team needs to snap you up fast, they don't know what they're missing.
Great podcast, good job guys.
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Just downloaded, will listen after I listen to the first one. Thanks Chill and Hot_Bid( and Nony!)
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CA10828 Posts
let's room together next time chill!
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These new podcasts are amazing! I really look forward to more in the future.
And Nony on an upcoming TLAttack episode is really great.
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I love you guys, keep the good coming!
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Shame I got a test tomorrow, so I cannot listen to it :S
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On October 14 2008 03:02 Get.bAltA wrote:
Shame I got a test tomorrow, so I cannot listen to it :S
rofl just listen as you study
no excuses
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Amazing podcasts, really entertaining and having a guest interview makes it 10x better imo. Thanks for the effort!
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My biggest complaint is definitely that you didn't talk about progaming at ALL outside of the FBH group and Blizzcon.
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Katowice25012 Posts
As founding member of The Official Backho Fanclub (TM pending) I would like to publicly make NonY an honorary member of the team.
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great podcast guys! Interesting to hear you talking about SC2.
any plans to put it up on iTunes?
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Braavos36375 Posts
On October 14 2008 03:20 Pokebunny wrote:
My biggest complaint is definitely that you didn't talk about progaming at ALL outside of the FBH group and Blizzcon.
we had to make a special exception because of the interview + blizzcon stuff!
more progaming next week
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Here's a crit: I want more fpvods from nony
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i'm putting it on my phone and ill listen to it while im smoking 1.
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Zurich15345 Posts
The zatic build is 3 Marauders 6 Marines 3 SCV with marauders and marines rallied off 2 raxxes.
If you think about it it's rather an FD-style build than an all-kill rush. If you wall you can threaten a 3 raxx, move out with MM and stop rallying to get a CC.
It pretty much kills anyone hard teching or FEing TvT and PvT. It gets raped by 3 gate pure stalkers and mirror 3 raxx of course. Zealots builds are really weak against it though because of the stun grenades from the marauders that make zealots just sit there.
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Washington, D.C9934 Posts
On October 14 2008 04:34 zatic wrote:
The zatic build is 3 Marauders 6 Marines 3 SCV with marauders and marines rallied off 2 raxxes.
If you think about it it's rather an FD-style build than an all-kill rush. If you wall you can threaten a 3 raxx, move out with MM and stop rallying to get a CC.
It pretty much kills anyone hard teching or FEing TvT and PvT. It gets raped by 3 gate pure stalkers and mirror 3 raxx of course. Zealots builds are really weak against it though because of the stun grenades from the marauders that make zealots just sit there.
this build is reeaaaaaaaally really good
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
Does this beat The Kennigit Build? 3 hatch roaches into nydus into ahahahha your mineral line?
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We were told that the party at WCG was formal. That's why Peanut was "overdressed."
Edit: I guess only the people at eSportsTV were told that, because it seems no one else dressed up.
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Braavos36375 Posts
On October 14 2008 05:02 f10esqftw wrote:
We were told that the party at WCG was formal. That's why Peanut was "overdressed."
Edit: I guess only the people at eSportsTV were told that, because it seems no one else dressed up.
that explains a lot haha
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United States4991 Posts
ROFL wow, this is fucking awesome to listen to.
Especially hilarious were the parts about + Show Spoiler +<ul><li>people who hate Chill and have to keep telling him about it<li>Chill's "I bet all your posts are terrible" to Peanut
Also nice hearing from NonY
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Sweden33719 Posts
Wtf Nony sounds exactly like someone.. I can't figure out who.
Maybe I've heard him talk before.
EDIT: AHhhhh, he sounds like Grubby!
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Chill has a sweet podcast voice.
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NonY is cool guy  But I thinks he is the perfact non-Korean progamers. Only that he plays not online for practise ( kinda geeky) but so cool LOVE IT!
and yeah, chill has a special voice, have u ever tought about singing chill?
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What is this Baezzi situation they spoke of?
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On October 14 2008 04:34 zatic wrote:
The zatic build is 3 Marauders 6 Marines 3 SCV with marauders and marines rallied off 2 raxxes.
If you think about it it's rather an FD-style build than an all-kill rush. If you wall you can threaten a 3 raxx, move out with MM and stop rallying to get a CC.
It pretty much kills anyone hard teching or FEing TvT and PvT. It gets raped by 3 gate pure stalkers and mirror 3 raxx of course. Zealots builds are really weak against it though because of the stun grenades from the marauders that make zealots just sit there. such an ez build to win with :p
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speaking of learning Korean, wouldn't it be cool if the most fluent Korean/English speakers here put together MP3 lessons teaching us basic sentences?
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On October 14 2008 04:51 Kennigit wrote:
Does this beat The Kennigit Build? 3 hatch roaches into nydus into ahahahha your mineral line?
ermm i mean, wow! comic genius.
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the intro is so damn professional. my jaws dropped listening to it
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
On October 14 2008 06:41 HeavOnEarth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2008 04:51 Kennigit wrote:
Does this beat The Kennigit Build? 3 hatch roaches into nydus into ahahahha your mineral line? ermm i mean, wow! comic genius.
This is the greatest build ever (or at least it was at wwi
Abusing this gave me sick results at WWI and given that worms are EVEN MORE imbalanced now it must be instant win. Someone was telling me about abusing it at blizzcon...i think it was chill
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Man I knew there was a reason NonY is my favorite foreigner.
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Great Episode! Keep them coming!
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Great podcast. Thanks to Nony for coming on as well.
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great podcast, quite hilarious on occasion
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On October 14 2008 05:13 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Wtf Nony sounds exactly like someone.. I can't figure out who.
Maybe I've heard him talk before.
EDIT: AHhhhh, he sounds like Grubby!
I was thinking the exact same thing, haha.
Fun interview! I'm really enjoying the new podcasts.
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Awesome podcast, I really like this new feature already.
(lolol omg I love backho too nony be friends with me plz)
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Awesome podcast guys, new nony fan here =)
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Awesome episode, can't wait for the next one!
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Nice to see you guys fixed whatever audio problems you were having from the first time.
Great cast.
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is awesome32274 Posts
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Can't wait to see Nony playing in Korea, I really think he stands a good chance to really succeed there.
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haha, drunk haji i wish i coulda seen it
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I wrote a song about BackHo... It's possible mikeymoo will sing it one day... 
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This is good shit. Keep it up 
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Amazing! Really entertaining =bb
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Nice job. I like Nony alot and allways have due to his playstyle. He's a korean style player with solid basic skill instead of relying on tactics like many other foreigners. Tactics can allways be incorporated into play while mechanics and stuff like that takes longer to learn. I'll get really dissapointed if he doesn't get to korea.
You also touched on the reason today I've shunned being active in a starcraft community online allthough I've followed pro gaming since the reign of Boxer. The starcraft community is filled with unjustified hatred towards anything and everything. It's strange but Polish people hate Nony and Savior fans hate Firebat Hero. It's not because of some reason you don't know about like hotbid is saying. It's about being a fanboy. Many polish people are Draco fanboys and thus hate everything that remotely critical to draco in any way. Much like fanboys in the console gaming industry these people are totally blinded by their fanboyism and lash out at anything that threatens the santified holy state of their divine subject.
People really need to stop hating others that they don't know shit about over the internet. If someone kills or rapes one of your family members you will probably hate that person. If someone steals your car and sets your house on fire leaving you with nothing you will probably hate him. But you don't hate someone for dancing on TV and you don't hate someone for being confident when they are doing well. I DISLIKE Chalrenge because I think he has an arrogant and mocking behavior (much like FBH) but he doesn't show humbleness when he loses like FBH. He's seems interested in looking "cool" when he wins and beocomes angry or sad everytime he loses in comparison to FBH who does humiliate people when he wins but he can also take being humiliated himself without being bitter about it.Therefore I DISLIKE Chalrenges personality but I still respect his skill and the fact that he is a proleague player of skill unmatched by anyone in the foreign community. All in all, I don't hate him. Some people really need to take a step back from their tunnel vision blinded view and get some perspective. This is a televised computer game, it's not a crime wave or world war 3. Don't hate people.
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Haven't listened yet but I LOVE these podcasts so far! PLEASE keep making them. =D
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Chill was disappointed in me 
fuck you too for not being the nazi-strat-forum-mod i know you as
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Send it to blizzard (sc2 part ).
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On October 14 2008 19:43 Plexa wrote:Chill was disappointed in me fuck you too for not being the nazi-strat-forum-mod i know you as
Lol at you being a total cam whore. I never knew!
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Hungary11296 Posts
On October 14 2008 19:43 Plexa wrote:Chill was disappointed in me fuck you too for not being the nazi-strat-forum-mod i know you as
I think he was rather complimenting your amazing writing and that rubbed off on his expectation in real life.
And: Nony is so cool.
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A really entertaining potcast! Keep it going!
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I realise that in my long windedness in my last post I forgot to praise Chill and Hotbid for the good work on this episode. You both have a natural talent for casting and that really shows in these podcasts where you have so many subjects to talk about but still manage to keep the pace up and make it interesting.
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Lol, thats exactly how I practice builds.
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On October 14 2008 15:23 StarBrift wrote:
Nice job. I like Nony alot and allways have due to his playstyle. He's a korean style player with solid basic skill instead of relying on tactics like many other foreigners. Tactics can allways be incorporated into play while mechanics and stuff like that takes longer to learn. I'll get really dissapointed if he doesn't get to korea.
You also touched on the reason today I've shunned being active in a starcraft community online allthough I've followed pro gaming since the reign of Boxer. The starcraft community is filled with unjustified hatred towards anything and everything. It's strange but Polish people hate Nony and Savior fans hate Firebat Hero. It's not because of some reason you don't know about like hotbid is saying. It's about being a fanboy. Many polish people are Draco fanboys and thus hate everything that remotely critical to draco in any way. Much like fanboys in the console gaming industry these people are totally blinded by their fanboyism and lash out at anything that threatens the santified holy state of their divine subject.
People really need to stop hating others that they don't know shit about over the internet. If someone kills or rapes one of your family members you will probably hate that person. If someone steals your car and sets your house on fire leaving you with nothing you will probably hate him. But you don't hate someone for dancing on TV and you don't hate someone for being confident when they are doing well. I DISLIKE Chalrenge because I think he has an arrogant and mocking behavior (much like FBH) but he doesn't show humbleness when he loses like FBH. He's seems interested in looking "cool" when he wins and beocomes angry or sad everytime he loses in comparison to FBH who does humiliate people when he wins but he can also take being humiliated himself without being bitter about it.Therefore I DISLIKE Chalrenges personality but I still respect his skill and the fact that he is a proleague player of skill unmatched by anyone in the foreign community. All in all, I don't hate him. Some people really need to take a step back from their tunnel vision blinded view and get some perspective. This is a televised computer game, it's not a crime wave or world war 3. Don't hate people.
I think that's unfair to say. These people will always be the loudest and most obnoxious, but they don't represent the majority of the community. I'm a Savior fan, and I love firebathero. I know a lot of other Savior fans do too. I'm sure that even those who do claim to hate FBH are just getting into the scene and the drama, because that's what excites them. I don't see genuine hate in anyone intelligent who visits these forums.
It'd be like shying away from hockey because certain players are unpopular with everyone but fans of the team they play for... It's no big deal, and a lot of people when they get down to it and talk seriously will say that they appreciate the players skill and role, they just don't like that he's a threat to their team's victories. Take Chris Neil for example... Only Senators fans like him, because he's a fighter and his main role in the game is to fuck players on the other team up. You can argue whether Hockey should or shouldn't be so much about fighting, but as it is now he's just doing what he's supposed to given the current spirit of the game. It's still justified not to like him when he's injuring your players.
What I'm saying is... Being outspoken and heckling players is all part of the game. There are very few who genuinely hate the players. If there were so many, I'd have been lynched already for wearing Yashin's name on a new SENS jersey to several games. The most I ever get is someone going "Yashin?!! But why!" No one's ever threatened me.
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Braavos36375 Posts
you are not a real savior fan if you also love firebathero, its like cheering for the yankees and the red sox or ohio state and michigan all at once. you just don't do it. fbh-savior is not a rivalry like yellow boxer where they are all buddy buddy outside the booths. savior and the entire cj team hates fbh. you can't be a hardcore fan of both given their history.
i acknowledge FBH's skill level and boldness in the last MSL group and recognize what he brings (entertainment value) to progaming, but will never ever say i love him or cheer for him. if you are a real savior fan you would remember the disrespect during gomtv2
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On October 14 2008 14:39 GTR-2-Go wrote:
타일러 와시애키 화이탕!
화이팅***
ㅋㅋㅋ
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Calgary25981 Posts
fightang is just gangsta slang yo~
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i had not listened to radio for like 5 years but that podcast rendered me motionless for 65 mins. it was soooo good . many thanks
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I love the whole idea and the execution but have a little favor to ask. Could you pls record it a bit louder cuz listening to it is kinda hardened on a train or bus or on the street with heavy traffic. It would be awesome if u do that. Keep up the good work.
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On October 15 2008 02:42 Hot_Bid wrote:
you are not a real savior fan if you also love firebathero, its like cheering for the yankees and the red sox or ohio state and michigan all at once. you just don't do it. fbh-savior is not a rivalry like yellow boxer where they are all buddy buddy outside the booths. savior and the entire cj team hates fbh. you can't be a hardcore fan of both given their history.
i acknowledge FBH's skill level and boldness in the last MSL group and recognize what he brings (entertainment value) to progaming, but will never ever say i love him or cheer for him. if you are a real savior fan you would remember the disrespect during gomtv2
You're not a real StarCraft fan if you don't love FBH.
OOOOH :O DO YOU SEE WHAT I DID THERE?
I cheer for Savior over FBH any time they meet, and if that doesn't make me a fan of Savior well... That's fucking retarded, because that's by definition what a fan is. It'd be like people telling me I can't be a Senators fan and like Yashin.
PS: Your baseball/football whatever analogies are lost on me. Real men watch Hockey and Soccer (the not gay kind of football). Saying if you're a fan of one team, you can't be a fan of the other, is a false dichotomy. It'd be like saying if you like Rock, you can't like Rap, and vice versa (or classical and death metal, electric and country.. whatever). So I can only hope that you're just trolling me, because otherwise you'll lead a very boring life without that spicy variety that makes things interesting.
PPS: FBH's nukes and lock downs alone make him great fun to watch, even omiting his stage antics.
PPPS: AND ANOTHER THING!!! Ovechkin doesn't play on my favourite team, but that doesn't I can't love him... He's a pleasure to watch, and an incredible talent. I like to see my goalie stopping his pucks but... I'm still in awe when he pulls a sick shot and scores, even against my team (but I won't stand up and cheer lol).
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Braavos36375 Posts
you can't be a true savior fan if you "love FBH" because fully cheering and understanding savior necessitates a hatred of FBH, the two are bitter rivals, and not in the friendly yellow-boxer way. my sports rivalry analogies are way more appropriate than something like Rock-Rap, where the two are genres and not opposing one another.
you can think you're a true savior fan all you want, but in my eyes theres no way if you love FBH too.
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I prefer FBH over Savior. :-D
edit: Good podcast. Good stuff to listen to.
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Well I think my Yashin/Senators analogy is much more fair then There's a tonne of bitterness there.
In your eyes I might not be, but that's unimportant I know that I get excited and on the edge of my seat when watching Savior play, and nervous when there are game deciding moments in his games... I don't get that for almost any other player. Even FBH, I just watch amusedly... Because he's entertaining, but I don't necessarily care if he wins... I don't even think of him as having a chance at a title.
PS: You can think you're a true fan of StarCraft all you want, but in my eyes, there's no way if you don't love its best players.
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Braavos36375 Posts
On October 15 2008 05:34 PsycHOTemplar wrote:Well I think my Yashin/Senators analogy is much more fair then There's a tonne of bitterness there. In your eyes I might not be, but that's unimportant I know that I get excited and on the edge of my seat when watching Savior play, and nervous when there are game deciding moments in his games... I don't get that for almost any other player. Even FBH, I just watch amusedly... Because he's entertaining, but I don't necessarily care if he wins... I don't even think of him as having a chance at a title. PS: You can think you're a true fan of StarCraft all you want, but in my eyes, there's no way if you don't love its best players.
ok "i'm amused by FBH and i don't care if he wins" is far different than "i love firebathero and cheer for him" which is what i got from the tone of your earlier posts
i didn't say true starcraft fan i said true saviro fan, and i didn't say anything about loving or hating the best players in starcraft, i was speaking specifically to the Savior/FBH dynamic, so i have no idea why you are arguing that
edit: so we don't sidetrack the thread any further i'm just going to reply to your below post here, it seems either you misrepresented or i misinterpreted your feelings about FBH. when you say "oh i love savior and i also love fbh" that implies you cheer for them in the same way. now you say you don't care whether fbh wins or not, you just want him to do stupid stuff. this is different than being a "fan" of him or "loving" him in the same way you cheer for someone...
as for my dichotomy being false, it's definitely not. it still holds true for you, you don't "cheer" for both of them to win and find success, you said so yourself. to do so would be weird and unnatural, much like cheering for two rival sports teams (and it doesn't matter what sports you enjoy, pick two soccer teams that hate each other).
anyone who has ever cheered for a sports team or player who really dislikes / has a rivalry with another player or team understands this, it's simply not acceptable to love and cheer for them both the same way.
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I was just mocking you with an example of a dichotomy I find to be as false as yours.
I love watching FireBatHero... I love watching Savior more, but I still like FBH... Meaning... I don't watch all VODs, but if I see his name in it, that's a big influence for me to want to watch the matchup, while basically any game with Savior is worth watching if I have the time.
I don't know if I'll cheer for FBH to win against randoms, but I'll certainly cheer for him to do retarded stuff, especially in proleague (I think that's what team vs team games are called...). I won't be upset if he loses in OSL or MSL, but I'll sort of want him to win if it's against some random I don't care about.
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The episode was pretty good, looking forward for more
Interview is a pretty good idea
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I agree with both of you. I dislike Chalrenges personality and I don't want him to win games because of that. It's totally understandable and even warranted that a big time Savior fan dislikes FBH for his acts against their favorite player. I know I had the same experience with Much when he did the heart ceremony. At the time I laughed because it was a snide way of getting back at FBH but I gotta agree at the same time that I was happy when FBH got his revenge finally. I really wanted FBH to beat Much out of the MSL partly because of that "ceremony". But I suspect the fact that Much very possibly has the most uninspiring and boring personality in the entire world. I mean the guy looks like he's just been through a 15 hour reading of bad poetry and he looks like that ALL THE TIME. HE should be called great grandpa toss instead of uncle toss with that pre historic look of his. That being said I don't nearly dislike Much as much (no pun intended) as Chalrenge.
But they key here is that if you say you HATE another player you clearly don't know the meaning of the word hate. If someone says he really really dislikes FBH then that's totally fine by me but hatred is too strong a word. That really implies that the person would possibly try to harm the subject if they met in real life. And I really don't think anyone on these forums dislike a pro gamer that much.
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haha. Tyler is funny. On one note, Idra and I actually GOT ALONG, we didn't really have words at all.
But uh. I was disappointed in a way that there was some freakish explosive drama (as long as I wasn't involved). Always fun to watch and talk about.
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A question for your next Podcast: Who, in your opinion, represents their team's legacy better - The Legendary KTF Protoss rookie Tempest or the next SKT1 lineage Terran, Fantasy?
Both have been losing a lot in the last week or so, but pwned the three weeks before that. I think whether or not Fantasy beats GGplay and Fantasy beats FBH in the Ro32 will be known by the time you release your next podcast to, so that'll be interesting to hear your ideas on.
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Awesome. Nony got one more fan, he sounds like a cool guy. I can't wait till the next podcast comes out. ^^
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