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DamageControL
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States4222 Posts
September 13 2008 13:15 GMT
#41
On September 13 2008 11:41 Mastermind wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2008 04:56 Drekos wrote:
Well, (P)Bisu and (P)Stork are the best Protos of Corea and I think that of the world, And till now they are demonstrating it with his participation

lol?

Well they are top class.
IMO its Best, Bisu (He will return shut up), BackHo, Stork, Rock
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fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
September 13 2008 16:08 GMT
#42
On September 13 2008 22:15 DamageControL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2008 11:41 Mastermind wrote:
On September 13 2008 04:56 Drekos wrote:
Well, (P)Bisu and (P)Stork are the best Protos of Corea and I think that of the world, And till now they are demonstrating it with his participation

lol?

Well they are top class.
IMO its Best, Bisu (He will return shut up), BackHo, Stork, Rock

Take out Rock and put Much in there... And BackHo? ):
Peace~
911wasaLIE
Profile Joined January 2008
United States44 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-13 18:02:02
September 13 2008 18:00 GMT
#43
On September 13 2008 22:15 DamageControL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2008 11:41 Mastermind wrote:
On September 13 2008 04:56 Drekos wrote:
Well, (P)Bisu and (P)Stork are the best Protos of Corea and I think that of the world, And till now they are demonstrating it with his participation

lol?

Well they are top class.
IMO its Best, Bisu (He will return shut up), BackHo, Stork, Rock



toss these days doesnt have that all around player.. they just got people that play well vs a particular race.

bisu > zerg
much > terran
maybe* backho > toss ... but he finds ways to fuck shit up

then u have best and stork who pretty much love letting people down in tourneys after going so hard

but generally what it comes down to in this day an age and the reason we'll hopefully always see a zerg getting into the finals is... z < t ... p = t ... p < z ... unless Bisu comes along and fucks shit up with gay ass sair reaver/carrier
New Orleons Nightmare
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
September 13 2008 19:32 GMT
#44
wow

this has to be one of the best news posts ever written

love that you hid all the spoilers
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
tyr0
Profile Joined September 2008
United States125 Posts
September 14 2008 00:33 GMT
#45
On September 14 2008 03:00 911wasaLIE wrote:
toss these days doesnt have that all around player.. they just got people that play well vs a particular race.

...
doesn't that apply to every race?
outside of the few extremely balanced players (flash, jaedong, and yes stork) almost all the top players are good at one, maybe two matchups.
most players have one bad matchup.

look at the top players on tlpd:
forgg: 46% tvt
mind: 53% tvz
fbh: 36% tvp (fbh sucks)
july: 52% zvt
canata: 38% tvp (still better than fbh)
vs
anytime: 50% pvp
best: 50% pvz
bisu: 56% pvt
only luxury and sea have good, balanced records.

i understand there aren't currently the best players nor are they the best indication of their skill, but it was more convenient just to use tlpd's ELO ranking.
as for the argument in support of stork, his worst matchup is pvz yet he has been 13-3 vs zergs not named jaedong for the past year or so with all three losses coming to luxury (another great player).
CommanderFluffy
Profile Joined June 2008
Taiwan1059 Posts
September 14 2008 02:16 GMT
#46
*bookmarked*
Plexa, this is a godly thread. Great coverage, clear layout, insightful predictions.

GOO JULY
Pain is temporary, but glory is forever.
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
September 14 2008 02:18 GMT
#47
well written!
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
September 14 2008 05:15 GMT
#48
On September 13 2008 21:56 Kwark wrote:
BackHo is going to use 2+ speedshuttle reaver harass off the same base count as Sea and it is going to fucking rape.
lol i think if backho played PvT exactly like he does PvP he will probably look a lot more threatening haha
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
Fx_
Profile Joined April 2008
503 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-14 09:55:20
September 14 2008 09:47 GMT
#49
Certainly Flash get down to Much 1-2 but this only a WCG......
Power is your Intelligence
Fx_
Profile Joined April 2008
503 Posts
September 14 2008 09:51 GMT
#50
On September 14 2008 09:33 tyr0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2008 03:00 911wasaLIE wrote:
toss these days doesnt have that all around player.. they just got people that play well vs a particular race.

...
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2008 09:33 tyr0 wrote:
On September 14 2008 03:00 911wasaLIE wrote:
toss these days doesnt have that all around player.. they just got people that play well vs a particular race.



doesn't that apply to every race?
outside of the few extremely balanced players (flash, jaedong, and yes stork) almost all the top players are good at one, maybe two matchups.
most players have one bad matchup.

.

You are forget Midas with his balanced matchups
Power is your Intelligence
Elite]v[arine
Profile Joined October 2007
United States264 Posts
September 14 2008 13:01 GMT
#51
is it me or are there a LOT of mirror matches haha.
AKAs: Pyro]v[aniac ,
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
September 15 2008 01:44 GMT
#52
Very nice writeup! Inspired me to watch every game of OSL Ro16. Looking forward to next week

I was really hoping (T)Sea and (T)Midas would win though
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
September 15 2008 01:46 GMT
#53
On September 13 2008 22:15 DamageControL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2008 11:41 Mastermind wrote:
On September 13 2008 04:56 Drekos wrote:
Well, (P)Bisu and (P)Stork are the best Protos of Corea and I think that of the world, And till now they are demonstrating it with his participation

lol?

Well they are top class.
IMO its Best, (P)Bisu (He will return shut up), (P)BackHo, (P)Stork, (P)Rock


How can you even compare (P)Rock to everyone else on that list? (P)BackHo is arguable too, if you're gonna put him, why not put (P)JangBi, etc.
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
mister.bubbles
Profile Joined September 2008
Canada171 Posts
September 15 2008 05:26 GMT
#54
Great job Plexa. You are a lion among men.
http://808seppuku.bandcamp.com/ <---Quick! Go here!
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
September 15 2008 06:16 GMT
#55
Aargh! OSL again already?
Starcraft overload
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HooHa!
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States688 Posts
September 15 2008 16:02 GMT
#56
"BRING BACK ASSEM!!!"

Awesome.
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