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o3.power91
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Bahrain5288 Posts
May 15 2008 20:50 GMT
#41
On May 16 2008 03:25 GreEny K wrote:
Is there a place where all of the games are recoded? Also whoever did the observing for the second map of the first match with retired didnt do a very good job. I will gladly replace him if need be, seriously.

His name is Draco, not retired btw
He just added the tag "retired" recently
teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
May 15 2008 20:58 GMT
#42
Great preview and writeup. Terrible predictions.

I don't see any chance of JF or Nony dropping their series, especially when Nony's best matchup is PvZ.
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-15 21:08:47
May 15 2008 21:07 GMT
#43
I think that you guys shouldnt overate Nony late game. I think he is the favourite againt Gosia but if he doesnt hurt gosia eco before lategame he will have trouble. Hopefully he has a good micro and always try some agressive build orders.

Nony 3-2
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
May 15 2008 21:38 GMT
#44
At first glance i thought it was a pretty good assessment but then i read chill's comment
+ Show Spoiler +
Haha worst preview ever. I appreciate you're trying to stimulate discussion, but I mean... some of your predictions are ridiculous.


and i realized what a gullible b!tch i am ;=[
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HotZhot
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Colombia677 Posts
May 15 2008 21:38 GMT
#45
Why isn't lag considered in this matches? Is it because the LAN setting of ICCUP? Not all of the games are going to be perfectly 100% lag free and I believe lag plays an incredible role on the results (i.e storm in ZvP). Terrible predictions but I hope the Dinot wins.
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Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
May 15 2008 22:35 GMT
#46
On May 16 2008 05:22 CDRdude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2008 03:17 GreEny K wrote:
what is a Mondragon build? Dont make fun of me im new !!!

If I am not mistaken, it is a 9-pool speed build, where he makes 12 lings for a run-by. Since most tosses do a forge-first FE these days, it has proven to be quite effective: the cannons at the nat don't help when 8 surviving lings are in the main mineral line.

It's overpool, not 9pool.
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LightRailCoyote
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States982 Posts
May 15 2008 23:15 GMT
#47
Who dare vote against the badass Nony?

Not me.
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[X]Ken_D
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States4650 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-16 02:32:03
May 15 2008 23:46 GMT
#48
Didn't read any comments yet, but here are my predictions.

White Ra vs Draco
PvP, kind of lucky base on build, but I'd go with the more experienced semi-pro Draco who been cruising through the tournament thus far.

BRAT_OK vs Dreiven
Sad that only one can go through. If Dreiven wins, we won't be able to read anymore of Brat's funny interviews and Brat's the last Terran. I watch a few clan league of Dreiven's PvT and he crush his opponent with unorthadox builds. I think Dreiven can take this easy.

DinOt vs IefNaij
Naij 4-0 Ret and I wasn't impress by DinOt in Ro16. In Ro16 Dinot and his opponent miss too many timing attacks. LefNaij will be less forgiving. I never seen lefNaij's pvz, but from what I heard so far, lefNaij will take the series.

GOsia vs NonY
Nony 3-0 Gosia in a recent showmatch. Gosia said he struggled with KR. NonY is another pvz beast compared to Kr. NonY had a decent showing against Mondragon. Another 3-0 for NonY?

Other than Draco vs White-ra matchup, it looks like lopsided victory.
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LucasWoJ
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States936 Posts
May 15 2008 23:59 GMT
#49
On May 16 2008 05:22 CDRdude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2008 03:17 GreEny K wrote:
what is a Mondragon build? Dont make fun of me im new !!!

If I am not mistaken, it is a 9-pool speed build, where he makes 12 lings for a run-by. Since most tosses do a forge-first FE these days, it has proven to be quite effective: the cannons at the nat don't help when 8 surviving lings are in the main mineral line.



I think that question is a little odd. The "Mondragon build" in 2004-5 would have been:
9 hatch (hatch before ovie)
9 pool
8 ovie
drone
8 zerglings

I think the "Mondragon build" then became a standard 4 hatch + gas + evo chamber once you start mining gas + lair + 5th hatch

He's been doing the hard pool a lot lately, but I don't think anyone refers to that as his build.
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Vaul
Profile Joined January 2008
New Zealand112 Posts
May 16 2008 00:21 GMT
#50
bahaha 'cancel your BBQs..'
www.youtube.com/user/vaulsc
SwaY.
Profile Joined May 2008
Dominican Republic98 Posts
May 16 2008 00:34 GMT
#51
On May 16 2008 00:34 pachi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2008 00:23 SwaY. wrote:
dinot and nony fighting!


edit:btw can the gfx team draw me like this?:O


i'm sure fakesteve can if you pay him enough.


Does he take debit?
SayaSP
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Laos5494 Posts
May 16 2008 00:57 GMT
#52
Nice rite ^
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Profile Joined November 2007
Canada2938 Posts
May 16 2008 01:05 GMT
#53
Here, here Plexa. Excellent article as always.
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EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22259 Posts
May 16 2008 01:42 GMT
#54
Nice writeup guys!
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Sigrun
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1655 Posts
May 16 2008 01:50 GMT
#55
I'm cursed.
Graphics
MoNKeYSpanKeR
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2869 Posts
May 16 2008 01:57 GMT
#56
On May 16 2008 00:14 Chill wrote:
Haha worst preview ever. I appreciate you're trying to stimulate discussion, but I mean... some of your predictions are ridiculous.

Come now, their predictions give me hope for a non PPPP semi fianl and PvP semi final.

But ultimately protoss will win and i think their will only be one upset.
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
May 16 2008 02:02 GMT
#57
I think it's common knowledge that everyone is predicting a PPPP semi final; and hey realistically that is the most likely outcome. Nony will destroy Gosia, JF will obliterate DinOt, Dreiven will crush Brat and well we're getting a protoss from the pvp anyway. In a way these predictions were more "my hopes" and what my heart would like to see, phrased in the most plausible scenario that i could come up with. Often the heart doesn't get what it wants and these predictions will be shot down in flames. Indeed i'll be surprised if any of these series get to a fourth game (except for dreiven's game) as the skill discrepancy is so vast. However, i still hold out hope that a miracle will happen

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ScarFace
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1175 Posts
May 16 2008 04:29 GMT
#58
I'm not a particular fan of pvp, and I haven't really followed TSL all that closely, but it is kind of cool that Foreigners are so overwhelmingly one race. Of course, I would rather both Koreans and Foreigners to be more spread out, and have a racial balance through numbers- but that will never happen. So, in that sense, its cool that Foreigners can actually say we have many strong Protosses. Our Zergs and our Terrans may be miles behind Koreans, but I'm willing to bet our [many] top Protosses could give a few Korean Pro gamers a run for their money.

Draco vs Midas anyone? =0
Can you dig it?
pachi
Profile Joined October 2006
Melbourne5338 Posts
May 16 2008 04:54 GMT
#59
On May 16 2008 10:50 Sigrun wrote:
I'm cursed.


very :>
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Ilvy
Profile Joined September 2002
Germany2445 Posts
May 16 2008 06:24 GMT
#60
On May 16 2008 03:25 GreEny K wrote:
Is there a place where all of the games are recoded? Also whoever did the observing for the second map of the first match with retired didnt do a very good job. I will gladly replace him if need be, seriously.


made me smile
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