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Osaka27140 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-03-18 11:22:14
March 18 2008 08:26 GMT
#1


Top 10 story lines from the Bacchus OSL.
The Bacchus OSL is now history, destined to the articles section. As the last tournament to finish up before the spring break, the finals between Flash and Stork took the highest ratings during it's broadcast. Despite this, the OSL left many disappointed, with a promising lineup failing to deliver the sense of epic which captivates audiences. Whatever your take, here is a look back at the ten themes that made headlines in the last OSL.

10. Racial Re-Balancing
The OSL has traditionally been a Terran tournament. Look at the last 4 tournaments: EVER 9/16, DAUM 10/16, ShinHan 3 13/24, and ShinHan 2 11/24. However, due to an unfavourable map pool, the Terrans were slaughtered in qualifying, and only 4/16 made it to the big dance. For the first time in years, Protoss and Zerg were the majority.

The Players

Pride of War: Terran (4)
(T)FrOzean[Name] - Kim Dong Kun
(T)By.Flash - Lee Young Ho
(T)XellOs[yG] - Seo Ji Hoon
(T)Sea[Shield] - Yum Bo Sung

Overcame All: Zerg (6)
#1 Seed (Z)Jaedong - Lee Jae Dong
(Z)sAviOr - Mah Jae Yoon
(Z)July - Park Sung Joon
(Z)Rumble - Yoon Jong Min
(Z)YellOw[ArnC] - Park Myung Soo
(Z)Luxury - Park Chan Soo

Victory After Victory: Protoss (6)
#2 Seed (P)Stork[gm] - Song Byung Goo
#3 Seed (P)Bisu[Shield] - Kim Taek Yong
#4 Seed (P)Much[gm] - Park Yeong Min

(P)Nal_Rock - Ahn Gi Hyo
(P)BackHo - Son Chan Woong
(P)BeSt[HyO] - Doh Jae Wook

9. Demise of the Old-School
Most tournaments have a mix of the veterans and the up-and-comers, and Bacchus was no different. Golden mouse candidate July headlined a group of players making a comeback into the OSL scene which included Xellos, Rock, and Best. However after the dust from the group stages had cleared the results were horrifying for any die hard fan. Only Best made it through to the next round, where he was obliterated by the PvP threshing machine Stork. All of the others wound up back in ODT limbo. From the round of 8 onwards, this was a show for the new school only.

8. Winners Curse?
Winner's curse be damned. It looked scary for a moment when Jaedong threw away the game vs Best on Daemon's Forest. However, the once impossible task of advancing as the defending champion was to look easy by Jaedong as he cruised through the tie-breakers. Whether the obstacle is purely mental or not, Jaedong advancing was good news for his self-esteem, and good news for OGN executives looking for ratings. It is always nice to have the Player of the Year go deep into your tournament.

7. Worst. Game. Ever.
As much as I love to watch StarCraft, this OSL featured some of the worst games in recent memory. Not just one or two stinkers that can be blamed on bad maps (although there was that too), but whole weeks went by without inspired play from anyone. Some people argue the massive amount of games played nowadays is diluting the quality (debate here) while others call it just a phase. Whatever your angle, watching Yellow[ArnC] vs FrOzean on Demon's Forest was one of the most painful BroodWar experiences of my life.



Watch it again if you are a sick individual


6. Demon's Forest
As mentioned, maps were a big issue this past season. The MSL inexplicably decided to keep the exact same map pool as the previous season, removing much of the excitement from their league. As a result, the OSL was handicapped in having to use one of their old maps. Despite this, they hoped the addition of a three player map, covered with trees that allowed for no vision, would lead players to games of epic proportions.

Apparently not.

It almost boggles the imagination that this did not come up in testing. And even worse, if it did, why they continued to use it anyway. I'll use this news space once again as my soap box to loudly proclaim that the maps used in an OSL are directly related to the league's success. I wish both OGN and MBC would pay more attention. With the recent rumours of Katrina v2.0 however, my faith is not exactly bolstered.

5. July vs Bisu disconnect
Bisu, surprisingly *cough*, fast expanded on Blue Storm. July being the type of zerg he is, launched a devastating timing attack with hydralisks. Pop pop pop went the cannons and the game was practically over. Or was it? Just as two groups of hydraslisks were raping everything in sight, the diconnect screen came up. Bisu dropped, and the TL IRC channel went ballistic. After a ridiculous delay, the game was awarded to July and no rematch was declared. Bisu stomped of the stage in a fit, and the forum conspiracy theorists went on red alert. Read the forum rage here, and read what July had to say here.

4. Best Games
So I have slagged on the OSL pretty hard so far, but there were some diamonds in the rough. They were hard to see, but if you shined your light just right, you could see them Flash.



The first game on Troy, Rumble vs Flash



Flash vs Bisu game 1



Flash vs Bisu game 2



Flash vs Bisu game 3



Flash vs Bisu game 4



Jaedong vs Best


3. Always a Bridesmaid, Never a Bride

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thanks pachi


2. A Rivalry is Born
Jaedong has looked so invincible of late, that it was hard to imagine someone halting his quest for consecutive OSL titles. Then along came the month of February. Valentines Day was sweet enough, with a 3-1 stomping of Kid Dynamite in the MSL, but a day later they met again and Flash won on Troy. A week later, Jaedong lost the series to a crushing mech build. Three days after that, the two players met for another three match series in the GOM Invitational, and with Tasteless screaming in my ear, I witnessed the Kid deal another blow to Jaedong, winning 2-1.

Jaedong ends the year with the highest winning percentage of any gamer, but are we witnessing Savior/Bisu 2.0? Only time, and the next OSL, will tell.

1. Youngest Champion Ever
He razzled, he dazzled, and in the bleak era that was the Bacchus OSL he was the lone bright spot. Flash was a monster, taking out Stork in the most lop-sided final since oov vs July in 2005. Total in-game time for the finals? About 27 minutes. Rape.

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His teammates almost twice his age are in awe of his skills, and the sky is the limit for this emerging talent.

Yell0w: When I watch Flash play the game, without pretense, I'm amazed. Simply amazing.
I've never seen anyone who can manage the eco as well as he does. Every eco falls into perfect timing. PERFECT timing.
Not only that, it seems like he's spending all his eco, yet he always have spare mineral to expand more...
That really is breathtaking to watch. Is he really calculating all the timing? Or is this by his sense?

TheMarine: I think it's both; he calculates as much as he can, but he relies on his sense as well. In Starcraft, having a good sense is the best

Yell0w: To be honest, I don't watch any other progamers play. Not at all. But recently, I watched the game between Flash and Jaedong...
And I saw how Jaedong played. Holy cow! (giggles)
+ Show Spoiler [Click for more] +

TheMarine: Yes, I know. I thought to myself, you can't get ANY better than THAT!

Yell0w: Goodness... H e i s c r a z y!

TheMarine: Watching him play, I tell that to myself everyday!

Yell0w: In any given circumstance, he reads them all. He's not just good at playing the game... He knows how to win the game.
What I mean by that is, he has a way to win even in the most desperate situation. He's not just GREAT at game (like the rest of the progamers), he KNOWS how to WIN the game.
From the start to finish, everything he does is to WIN the game, heck, I don't even know how to describe this!
Watching him play, upsets me. Even in my PRIME time, was I THAT good? Casting doubt to myself.
Even with Jaedong's skill, win is not guaranteed, then how about me? Depressing...
Perhaps this is the reason my passion to win collapsed...(nervous laugh)

TheMarine: It's amazing that zerg is able to fight so well against Terran at SUCH high level

Yell0w: Flash was up against Jaedong several times recently

TheMarine: 3 series!

Yell0w: When I see Flash practice in our practice house, it is like a new experience.
This kid is crazy. Crazyyyyy! Everyone admits his spectacular skill.

TheMarine: In practice house, it seems like Flash would NEVER lose to ANYONE

Yell0w: I kept telling him that he already won. There's no way you will lose with the skill you have.
And he responded in a cute fashion, "Fine then, I'll beat Jaedong easily and advance, ok?"
I told him "I have complete faith in you! Go! Go win your games!" (Thumbs up)
He later came back that day... "Hyung... Sorry..."

Yell0w + TheMarine: LoL

Yell0w: So I watched the game. Yes, Flash made mistakes he never makes, but still! He played extremely well! EVEN THEN, Jaedong's play stands out.
Mutalisks cutting off here and there nonstop. Defiler coming out at the perfect timing, dark swarn here and there.
I told myself... he is a MACHINE. He does EVERYTHING at once. He doesn't lack anything at all.

------------------------------

Yell0w: IF old progamer at his PRIME come to play right now, he would fail. The game level has enhanced so much since then.

Yell0w: At my prime time, I thought I was THE best. There can't be any more improvement from this point on.
Just look at my APM.
Yet time continued to flow and now I ask myself, if I was to come today from the past with my skills at the prime time, will I be successful?
Skills have evolved once more again...

TheMarine: I agree, there was a BIG skill improvement again and again.
As of late, Offense AND defense are both a must at the same time.

TheMarine: Isn't that amusing if you think about it? In our prime time, we felt that... with every effort we moved our hands at the fastest speed we thought was possible. We concluded that our hands cannot be any faster than this.
Especially at my time, the reason why I was most successful was only because my hands were the fastest. Back then 100 apm was the average, if fast, then low 200.
However, I maintain low to mid 300 apms. Then XelloS and Nada's appearance pushed the limit to mid - high 300 apm. I thought THAT was the true limit. Anything above that was humanly impossible.
The end. The end of multitask, the end of micro, the end of macro. That was the impression I had... But now, just look at Bisu... Jaedong... their apm? OVER 400. What's more amusing? All their teammates claim that all their movements are required movements. (Not spam)
And I have nothing to say to that...


Thanks to FConnectionUK for the translation



The progamers are now on their spring break as the StarCraft architecture gets an update. There are troubles with KeSPA (as always), the ProLeague is in jeopardy (as always), and there is yet another StarLeague on the horizon. However, the OSL will be back, and will continue to be the most prestigous StarCraft tournament in the world.

Coverage of this season was made possible by the hard work of many:
  • Plexa, for reviving the art of the battle report.
  • fw, for uploading high-quality games to the tracker.
  • BaeZZi, for uploading to YouTube.
  • yakii, for maintaining his small vod thread.
  • GrandInquisitor, for writing up the Results and Standings thread.
  • And to everyone else who dropped tidbits of information, wrote comments in the news, and just enjoyed the game, you help keep this coverage alive.


Cheers,
Mani
ModeratorGodfather
VioleTAK
Profile Joined July 2006
4315 Posts
March 18 2008 08:38 GMT
#2
Thanks Mani :-)
Next OSL will be a lot better I'm sure.
Every fan of Starcraft is a fan of Lim Yo Hwan by association
MoRe_mInErAls
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Canada1210 Posts
March 18 2008 08:46 GMT
#3
It's unbelievable how far ahead Jaedong and Flash are ahead of everyone else right now
amorpheus
Profile Joined May 2007
Bulgaria2144 Posts
March 18 2008 08:47 GMT
#4
On March 18 2008 17:38 VioleTAK wrote:
Next OSL will be a lot better I'm sure.

hopefully
SayTT
Profile Joined August 2004
Sweden2158 Posts
March 18 2008 08:55 GMT
#5
On March 18 2008 17:46 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
It's unbelievable how far ahead Jaedong and Flash are ahead of everyone else right now


Yes they are better, but thats because they are good in all thier matchups. I still think Jaedong would have a hard time bo5 vs bisu and flash would have a hard time bo5 vs TvT master.
-,-
useLess
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4781 Posts
March 18 2008 08:57 GMT
#6
Goddamn, and I remember when Flash was just an up-and-coming. Well, I guess it wasnt actually that long ago.

And maps! I hope they have something better next time arounds.
Moonlight Shadow
azndsh
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4447 Posts
March 18 2008 09:02 GMT
#7
haha @ Yell0w and TheMarine's comments
VioleTAK
Profile Joined July 2006
4315 Posts
March 18 2008 09:02 GMT
#8
Bisu is not that far behind Flash or Jaedong, if at all. But speculation is not necessary, since the three of them will be playing both leagues next season, time will tell :-) I just want to see Bisu vs Jaedong Bo5 before I die please.
Every fan of Starcraft is a fan of Lim Yo Hwan by association
PanoRaMa
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States5069 Posts
March 18 2008 09:07 GMT
#9
Awesome write up! I love things like these.

Cool stork pic + yellow/themarine talk .
HaXxorIzed
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Australia8434 Posts
March 18 2008 09:17 GMT
#10
That Stork picture is brilliant. While this OSL was terrible in game quality, the Bisu/Jaedong/Flash setup could be awesome.

That said, Stork :'(
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muramasa
Profile Joined March 2005
Canada1299 Posts
March 18 2008 09:24 GMT
#11
Worst. OSL. Ever.
Hong Jin Ho. Nevar forget.
Jimtudor
Profile Joined June 2007
Canada259 Posts
March 18 2008 09:26 GMT
#12
Hmm, I think Flash would own even more against any Terran today. Flash has consistently taken down the best of the best right from the start of his career. It is his most solid matchup.
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
March 18 2008 09:40 GMT
#13
yeah it was a pretyt bad osl just those flash vs bisu and jaedong games were better ~_~
nice write up mani <3
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SeBASTa
Profile Joined September 2003
China1147 Posts
March 18 2008 10:14 GMT
#14

...Look at the last 4 tournaments: EVER 9/16, DAUM 10/24, ShinHan 3 13/24, and ShinHan 2 11/24.
...

correction:
DAUM OSL has 16 players participating in total
En Taro Terran
GinNtoniC
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Sweden2945 Posts
March 18 2008 10:18 GMT
#15
Choke Toss in dress is cute, very cute.

On topic, it sure was a disappointing OSL, especially considering the players who actually qualified for it. Was expecting to see some really great games, but it just didn't deliver.
It's good though to see the Jaedong/Flash rivalry. Flash is up atm, but once Jaedong figures out some counter-build to the mech, I think we're looking at a very even contest. I'd like to think Jaedong is a bit sharper, but only time will tell.
Huge fan of JulyZerg, HonestTea and that guy Kim Taek Yong.
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
March 18 2008 10:29 GMT
#16
On March 18 2008 17:55 SayTT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2008 17:46 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
It's unbelievable how far ahead Jaedong and Flash are ahead of everyone else right now


Yes they are better, but thats because they are good in all thier matchups. I still think Jaedong would have a hard time bo5 vs bisu and flash would have a hard time bo5 vs TvT master.

And this said TvT master would be?

Mind? Even if he's pretty solid all-around, I don't see him standing a chance against Flash if the new OSL champ continues this torrid streak.

Who else do you think could really compare? Flash has a 68% TvT win-rate. Not many players are in that kind of league.
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Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27140 Posts
March 18 2008 11:21 GMT
#17
On March 18 2008 19:14 SeBASTa wrote:
Show nested quote +

...Look at the last 4 tournaments: EVER 9/16, DAUM 10/24, ShinHan 3 13/24, and ShinHan 2 11/24.
...

correction:
DAUM OSL has 16 players participating in total


Thank you.
ModeratorGodfather
YesStorY
Profile Joined March 2008
Czech Republic3 Posts
March 18 2008 11:45 GMT
#18
very nice report.. thx Mani
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ram
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
Lithuania602 Posts
March 18 2008 12:49 GMT
#19
On March 18 2008 18:24 muramasa wrote:
Worst. OSL. Ever.


You've never seen IOPS, am I right?
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
March 18 2008 12:49 GMT
#20
On March 18 2008 19:29 []p4NDemik[] wrote:
And this said TvT master would be?


Upmagic is this TvT master
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HamerD
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom1922 Posts
March 18 2008 12:50 GMT
#21
On March 18 2008 20:45 YesStorY wrote:
very nice report.. thx Mani

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SoMuchBetter
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia10606 Posts
March 18 2008 12:52 GMT
#22
On March 18 2008 17:55 SayTT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2008 17:46 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
It's unbelievable how far ahead Jaedong and Flash are ahead of everyone else right now


Yes they are better, but thats because they are good in all thier matchups. I still think Jaedong would have a hard time bo5 vs bisu and flash would have a hard time bo5 vs TvT master.


flash has played every current 'TvT master' out there and has killed all of them
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a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5085 Posts
March 18 2008 13:14 GMT
#23
great post, i love tl.net

thanks mani
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Daigomi
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
South Africa4316 Posts
March 18 2008 13:39 GMT
#24
Thanks Mani, great writeup for the season.

I used to say Flash's TvZ > TvT > TvP but these days it's so much harder to say. I would say it's TvT > TvP > TvZ simply because comparatively there's no Terran near his level of play, while there are one or two zerg players that could pose a threat.
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samachking
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Bahrain4949 Posts
March 18 2008 13:40 GMT
#25
On March 18 2008 21:52 SoMuchBetter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2008 17:55 SayTT wrote:
On March 18 2008 17:46 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
It's unbelievable how far ahead Jaedong and Flash are ahead of everyone else right now


Yes they are better, but thats because they are good in all thier matchups. I still think Jaedong would have a hard time bo5 vs bisu and flash would have a hard time bo5 vs TvT master.


flash has played every current 'TvT master' out there and has killed all of them


http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/424_Flash/games/vs/T#tblt-600-1-default-0-firebat
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Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Switzerland2431 Posts
March 18 2008 14:06 GMT
#26
Thx for the write up.
I think the next season will change a lot. Now we have 3 icons for each race and every clash will hopefully be something great.
Avius
Profile Joined October 2007
Iraq1796 Posts
March 18 2008 14:20 GMT
#27
thanks for this writeup, gj mani

i think that flash won was no major suprise after we saw him owning GSI and recently before that in (was it?) ProLeague matches/Individual matches

he was tearin that roof apart
aka. Samael
GogoKodo
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Canada1785 Posts
March 18 2008 14:28 GMT
#28
Nice write up.

Does anyone translate the high quality english newsposts of tl.net into Korean? I know that Koreans will already have a ton of this coverage themselves but they might be interested in the foreign communities point of view especially since the GSI.
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DanceSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States751 Posts
March 18 2008 14:37 GMT
#29
Thanx Mani,

"Watch it again if you are a sick individual" sooo tempting...
my opinion looking at the "Always a Bridesmaid, Never a Bride" would make you
more of a sick idividual....
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Purind
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Canada3562 Posts
March 18 2008 14:51 GMT
#30
And he responded in a cute fashion, "Fine then, I'll beat Jaedong easily and advance, ok?"
I told him "I have complete faith in you! Go! Go win your games!" (Thumbs up)
He later came back that day... "Hyung... Sorry..."


Hahaha, hilarious. All this guy needs to do now is to do silly celebrations after games
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Hyperionnn
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Turkey4968 Posts
March 18 2008 15:13 GMT
#31
On March 18 2008 21:49 ram wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2008 18:24 muramasa wrote:
Worst. OSL. Ever.


You've never seen IOPS, am I right?


IOPS, even NATE OSL is better than shit.
Blue
Profile Joined July 2004
Norway359 Posts
March 18 2008 15:50 GMT
#32
amazing article!
and the marine/yellow interview was soooo nice!
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kramus
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1259 Posts
March 18 2008 16:03 GMT
#33
On March 18 2008 21:52 SoMuchBetter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2008 17:55 SayTT wrote:
On March 18 2008 17:46 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
It's unbelievable how far ahead Jaedong and Flash are ahead of everyone else right now


Yes they are better, but thats because they are good in all thier matchups. I still think Jaedong would have a hard time bo5 vs bisu and flash would have a hard time bo5 vs TvT master.


flash has played every current 'TvT master' out there and has killed all of them

http://teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?type=players&id=424&part=games&vs=43&league=any&map=any&from_year=2007&from_month=4&from_day=13&to_year=2008&to_month=3&to_day=15&action=Update
KizZBG
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
u gotta skate8152 Posts
March 18 2008 17:08 GMT
#34
We need Upmagic in next OSL!
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Aesop
Profile Joined October 2007
Hungary11284 Posts
March 18 2008 18:00 GMT
#35
Amazing job at making sense out of the senseless.
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RaiZ
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
2813 Posts
March 18 2008 19:10 GMT
#36
The worst game ever wasn't really bad at all i thought... oO
Besides the forest which was annoying as hell or the overs' hunting, overall the game was pretty standard i think.
Maybe you mean worst game of this osl ever ? Then i'd understand because i can show you countless games where it's worse.
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Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
March 18 2008 20:08 GMT
#37
Nice report. Thanks.

Whats with the RANDOM words CAPITALIZED in the Yellow AND TheMarine CONVERSATION ?
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Plutonium
Profile Joined November 2007
United States2217 Posts
March 18 2008 21:16 GMT
#38
On March 18 2008 21:52 SoMuchBetter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2008 17:55 SayTT wrote:
On March 18 2008 17:46 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
It's unbelievable how far ahead (Z)Jaedong and (T)Flash are ahead of everyone else right now


Yes they are better, but thats because they are good in all thier matchups. I still think (Z)Jaedong would have a hard time bo5 vs (P)Bisu and (T)Flash would have a hard time bo5 vs TvT master.


(T)Flash has played every current 'TvT master' out there and has killed all of them


Oh Yeah?
Nyovne
Profile Joined March 2006
Netherlands19133 Posts
March 18 2008 22:19 GMT
#39
Nice direct newssteal ICCup

Thanks to Kennigit for spotting it, bwahahahaha @ shameless stuff.

Everyone make an acc (if you dont already have one) and reply to that with a frown right now.
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talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
March 18 2008 22:49 GMT
#40
best is old school? I thought he was new...

shows what I know.
ZergZoul
Profile Joined April 2007
Mexico408 Posts
March 18 2008 23:46 GMT
#41
HAHA poor stork T_T
AnyOne
Profile Joined January 2008
Chile547 Posts
March 19 2008 00:11 GMT
#42
cool read thnx
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xenok
Profile Joined September 2007
Korea (South)5 Posts
March 19 2008 00:55 GMT
#43
Just one point to nitpick, Best did not get obliterated by Stork, he lost 2-1 (by definition, obliteration will require a 2-0) and the tie-breaker was a comeback by Stork. Hardly a case of obliteration.

The Yellow and TheMarine interview was great though.
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
March 19 2008 01:42 GMT
#44
On March 19 2008 01:03 kramus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2008 21:52 SoMuchBetter wrote:
On March 18 2008 17:55 SayTT wrote:
On March 18 2008 17:46 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
It's unbelievable how far ahead Jaedong and Flash are ahead of everyone else right now


Yes they are better, but thats because they are good in all thier matchups. I still think Jaedong would have a hard time bo5 vs bisu and flash would have a hard time bo5 vs TvT master.


flash has played every current 'TvT master' out there and has killed all of them

http://teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?type=players&id=424&part=games&vs=43&league=any&map=any&from_year=2007&from_month=4&from_day=13&to_year=2008&to_month=3&to_day=15&action=Update

Keep dreaming. Flash > fbh in a Bo3 or Bo5 every time.
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Proposal
Profile Joined December 2007
United States1310 Posts
March 19 2008 01:54 GMT
#45
nice interview.. yellow and marine slobbering over jaedong and flash
nerium
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Philippines512 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-03-19 02:26:45
March 19 2008 02:02 GMT
#46
i wouldnt say flash > fbh atm, i have to see them play again with flash's current form

FBH is very good at tvt so i wouldnt count him out in a bo5, hell, i would vote for him when he play against flash
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Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
March 19 2008 02:08 GMT
#47
FBH and Sea are both capable of beating Flash in a bo X.
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mikeymoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada7170 Posts
March 19 2008 02:46 GMT
#48
The translation is especially nice to read.
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aaro
Profile Joined December 2006
United States228 Posts
March 19 2008 04:45 GMT
#49
haha nice article. that demon's forest map looks impossible for any micro at all.
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Purind
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Canada3562 Posts
March 19 2008 05:05 GMT
#50
On March 19 2008 13:45 aaro wrote:
haha nice article. that demon's forest map looks impossible for any micro at all.


That wasn't the issue. The issue was that archon morph, mine laying and other things I'm forgetting get bugged and get stuck onto trees
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HaXxorIzed
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Australia8434 Posts
March 19 2008 05:13 GMT
#51
IIRC, wasn't it July who stomped off in a rage, not Bisu?
http://steamcommunity.com/id/HaXxorIzed
Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
March 19 2008 05:35 GMT
#52
July was pissed off due to the fact that the KeSPA officials actually considered to order a regame if Bisus DT had finished(it was 98% or so).
Live2Win is awesome. Happy new year scarabi!
vhallee
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
899 Posts
March 19 2008 07:48 GMT
#53
god damn it stork T_T fuckin choke toss... i really wished he could have won this just for his great results. he really deserved it. but then again, so did flash.
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Nick_54
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2230 Posts
March 19 2008 08:28 GMT
#54
On March 19 2008 11:08 Guybrush wrote:
FBH and Sea are both capable of beating Flash in a bo X.


Might as well throw Mind's name in there, but I'm pretty sure Flash would be the favorite.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
March 19 2008 10:17 GMT
#55
Just for everyones information, i will write a OSL finals BR but post it in the brood war section.. my internet got cut over the weekend
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raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
March 23 2008 17:10 GMT
#56
Jaedong/Flash =/= Savior/Bisu , first Bisu dominated savior most of their games , where Jaedong vs Flash = 5v5 and Jaedong has the momentum in late game only on Katrina thought he seems to lose to a mech build even in the second game on Katrina he was way ahead of flash with economy he lost because his defence was poor and didn't use defilers
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27140 Posts
March 23 2008 23:21 GMT
#57
On March 24 2008 02:10 raga4ka wrote:
Jaedong/Flash =/= Savior/Bisu , first Bisu dominated savior most of their games , where Jaedong vs Flash = 5v5 and Jaedong has the momentum in late game only on Katrina thought he seems to lose to a mech build even in the second game on Katrina he was way ahead of flash with economy he lost because his defence was poor and didn't use defilers

Awesome, you didn't use any periods or logic.
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raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
March 25 2008 17:26 GMT
#58
Well english is not my birth langueage , and in school i'm learning russian only , this year ( my last year in school) i'm learning english also , and i'm not up to date with all the english rules , so forgive me if what i write is hard to understand . When i write on the PC , sometimes i forget to add periods, like most of the people here i see .In the future if you don't understand , don't bother replying with ussles comments of what i already know.
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