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Profile Blog Joined October 2003
United States2766 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-13 04:40:19
October 13 2007 03:30 GMT
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OSL Ro16 Week 2
12 October 2007


Results
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Sea.Up > Shudder @ Persona
Iris > JulyZerg @ Katrina
DarkElf < Jaedong @ Blue Storm
Nal_Rock < Flash @ Fantasy II

Despite my mediocre Liquibet performance, the second week of the OSL went pretty much as I expected. None of the games were overly interesting, but because of the context, they warrant discussion; it’s the OSL, after all.

I couldn’t help but laugh at the irony of Up vs. Shudder. Up is known as a player who uses clever strategies and build orders to gain an early advantage against his opponent. In this case, however, it was Shudder who gained an early advantage due to his opening, only to have Up completely and utterly dominate him with some of the safest TvT play I’ve ever seen. I can’t even begin to imagine how demoralized Shudder feels. To have, of all people, Up say, “if this kid doesn’t beat me early, he won’t” must feel like a very literal kick to the gonads.

Iris vs. July was an uninspired game overall. Iris showed even sloppier micro than usual, but he made up for it with excellent macro and strong late-game management. July’s risky build has me wondering if Katrina’s 1-4 ZvT deficit is a sign of things to come. July’s play itself was actually pretty strong, but after losing his expansion at seven o’clock, he was fighting an uphill battle.

DarkElf vs. Jaedong was an awe-inspiring performance from Jaedong. And the problem is that, aside from his ill-advised attack on Jaedong’s sunken colonies, DarkElf didn’t play poorly. Against Jaedong, however, one mistake tends to be all it takes.

After Rock vs. Flash, all I could do was shake my head. Despite all the pre-OSL hype for Rock (you people know who you are), he showed just shy of no game feel against Flash. Practically every decision Rock made was the wrong one. Cutting probes early to defend against a two-factory push? Won’t help if you get SCV rushed. Going proxy reaver before singularity charge when there’s a bunker at your natural expansion? A questionable gamble at best. Going carriers when you’re way behind economically and have just lost your reavers? I’ll leave that question rhetorical.

Each game this week had its own degree of “charm.” Iris vs. July was the closest game of the night. Rock vs. Flash was the funniest. Up vs. Shudder was the most ironic. And Jaedong vs. DarkElf was the most one-sided. If I had to recommend only one game, however, it would be Jaedong vs. DarkElf. Much like Bisu vs. GGPlay from last week, the game is an exquisite performance from a true master of the matchup.

Credit for these videos goes, as always, to someone other than me.
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Shudder vs. Up
Iris vs. July
DarkElf vs. Jaedong
Flash vs. Rock

Next week, things get serious. Having played one game each, every player is looking to either secure that vital second win or bring themselves back into contention. Will GGPlay suffer from the dreaded OSL curse, or will he manage to take down the inexperienced Shudder? Will July be able to stop his two-game ZvT losing skid with a win against Light? Having already faced Jaedong and now facing Stork, will DarkElf win a single game this OSL? Will Frozean rebound from his embarrassing defeat against Savior with a win over Flash? These questions, and more, answered below!

Predictions
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Short of an act of the divine, there’s no way that GGPlay will lose to Shudder on a macro-based map like Katrina. GGPlay has proven that he can beat the best of the best in the matchup, and while Shudder is undefeated in televised TvZ, he’s only faced Luxury and Terror[fou].

Zergs are currently 4-1 against Terrans on Blue Storm, and with Light’s macro-based TvZ build orders, he’s vulnerable against an aggressive Zerg like July. Light, however, is playing as well as he ever has. I’m looking forward to this one!

If Stork plays conservatively, he should have no difficulties with DarkElf. If he tries to expand as aggressively as he did in his fateful series against Iris, however, he could find himself in a very different situation. DarkElf and Iris are teammates, after all. And for the record, yes, DarkElf will win a game this OSL; he will beat Nada.

I’m expecting Flash to trounce Frozean. In every Starleague, there are those few people who “don’t belong.” Frozean is just such a person.
WiSaGaN
Profile Joined July 2006
203 Posts
October 13 2007 03:42 GMT
#2
Good one.
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-13 04:21:13
October 13 2007 04:18 GMT
#3
I know Rock is terrible relative to the competition, but I want to see his celebrations.

Also the Rock ruined my first decent shot at 4/4 this season. Flash is supposed to lose to carriers! >:/
SonuvBob
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Aiur21550 Posts
October 13 2007 04:54 GMT
#4
Apparently it requires more than 2 carriers to auto-win vs Flash. Sucks for Rock that he had to learn this the hard way.
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HaXxorIzed
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Australia8434 Posts
October 13 2007 05:01 GMT
#5
Watching Rock play can be so incredibly depressing.
http://steamcommunity.com/id/HaXxorIzed
Q(-_-Q)
Profile Joined August 2007
United States348 Posts
October 13 2007 05:33 GMT
#6
On October 13 2007 13:18 zer0das wrote:
I know Rock is terrible relative to the competition, but I want to see his celebrations.

Also the Rock ruined my first decent shot at 4/4 this season. Flash is supposed to lose to carriers! >:/


totally there with you bud. i had rock pegged as going early carriers and smashing flash. too bad he can't stop a bunker rush and later a 2 fact. push. LAME
SC2 = Alpha = End Balance Speculations?
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32277 Posts
October 13 2007 06:33 GMT
#7
Good recap.

Thanks







ps: me > you zvt
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Clumsy_plz
Profile Joined October 2007
Korea (South)22 Posts
October 13 2007 08:42 GMT
#8
Do not ignore Rock..

He is one of main player of WeMade with Nada
Desade
Profile Joined April 2007
Germany50 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-13 10:04:46
October 13 2007 09:57 GMT
#9
Imo this time analysis lacks a bit.

First of all an Iris vs July is one of the most interesting matches I can think of. Sadly it turned out very one-sided.
Iris played quite powerfull, he didn't let July come back in any way after taking his expo. Poor July put to much faith into his 3 lurks (2 of them morphing) and draw away his muts so Iris could take the expo with little an effort of marine micro. Same thing July did vs Mania where he moved his initial 4 lurkers unprotected towards the enemy's army though he had a nice package of mutas and zerglings.

And Rock. I consider Protoss fe a rather risky bo in the first place. Rock just fell to a perfect timed and microed bunker rush there. After the loss of probes and nexus he didn't stand much of a chance and in such a case players mostly try something sneaky.

Noenetheless thanks for great coverage.
I love 1 base bos
CTStalker
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada9720 Posts
October 13 2007 14:10 GMT
#10
terran dominance
By the way, my name is Funk. I am not of your world
Snet *
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States3573 Posts
October 13 2007 15:18 GMT
#11
nice read
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-13 17:49:44
October 13 2007 17:48 GMT
#12
To me, Jaedong's ZvT strength is defined by the threat presence of his early lings and the most terrifying mutalisk use today. However, past this stage his gameplay begins to fall behind the likes of Savior, GGPlay, July, and even Yarnc.

His lurker lings is good, solid, etc... but is nowhere near the level of his mutalisk play (of course, the bar Jaedong sets with his flying birdpoopers is ridiculously high). Then comes the hive tech, which is "alright" on a good day and pretty sloppy on average. The vast majority of Jaedong's ZvT's end at the stage of the muta ling; either he kills them outright, or the damage is so severe that the opponent is essentially out of the game. Sometimes the game goes on for a decent length after this, but the advantage Jaedong gains through his Mutalisks makes or breaks his game. This factor is true for all Zerg users, but I feel that Jaedong depends on this advantage more than any other player.

So far we've rarely seen his muta ling fail him... but I think it was Hwasin who first started to deflect Savior's mutalisk harass in MSL (BlitzX comes to mind for me), and as people in this thread have been saying, a series against the likes of Iris and Hwasin will be the true barometer for Jaedong's effectiveness in the matchup.
wakpark
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States173 Posts
October 13 2007 18:00 GMT
#13
Well if you watched the selection ceremony thing, Up SAID he was going to win without using weird strategies.
The Black Keys / The White Stripes
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
October 13 2007 19:31 GMT
#14
On October 14 2007 03:00 wakpark27 wrote:
Well if you watched the selection ceremony thing, Up SAID he was going to win without using weird strategies.

How totally unexpected.

@Etter: Nice write-up, I always enjoy reading your stuff. :D
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
October 13 2007 19:42 GMT
#15
Why do you refer to Rock fans as "you people"
I find that derogatory.
POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
October 13 2007 21:17 GMT
#16
It's not so much Rock fans as the people who thought he deserved a spot on the power rankings, I suspect. Also probably a bit deserved. :x
Pressure
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
7326 Posts
October 13 2007 22:06 GMT
#17
die rock
DIE.
Wizard
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Poland5055 Posts
October 13 2007 22:50 GMT
#18
On October 14 2007 04:42 SuperJongMan wrote:
Why do you refer to Rock fans as "you people"
I find that derogatory.


haha
sAviOr[gm] ~ want to watch good replays? read my blog: http://www.teamliquid.net/blog/wizard
hwasingodlysense
Profile Joined August 2007
79 Posts
October 13 2007 23:38 GMT
#19
Against Jaedong, however, one mistake tends to be all it takes.

thats so true!
you forgot that south korea supports hwasin. why lecaf oz was 8-0 in proleague? answer: experience and dedication. there is no mystery or trick. korean proleague is made of starcraft champions.
i.play.ZERG
Profile Joined August 2007
Canada276 Posts
October 14 2007 08:03 GMT
#20
I have so much respect for Jaedong right now.
3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
October 14 2007 11:51 GMT
#21
july will pwn light
]..Mad_game..[
Profile Joined October 2007
New Zealand1 Post
October 14 2007 12:31 GMT
#22
Hey yall, I wanted to contact Liquid'Nazgul is this a good place, any help here?
Bruce Lee is really smart
EpiK
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5757 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-14 17:48:54
October 14 2007 17:25 GMT
#23
Jaedong ftw

his game vs darkelf was flawless
Gokey
Profile Joined November 2006
United States2722 Posts
October 15 2007 02:43 GMT
#24
i like jaedong and his play... he is like savior, but slightly more charismatic, better muta control, a bit worse lurker/swarm control (compared to savior prime)
Moletrap
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1297 Posts
October 15 2007 05:00 GMT
#25
HA!! I told you all that Rock sucked.
aka Moletrap
CTStalker
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada9720 Posts
October 16 2007 05:33 GMT
#26
just watched the up vs shudder game, was quite a good tvt
By the way, my name is Funk. I am not of your world
Diggity
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States806 Posts
October 16 2007 16:54 GMT
#27
Light v Julyzerg is going to be an interesting match.

Light is well practiced against aggressive zerg after that loss to Kwanro.

A lot of people say Julyzerg is a small res player. But lately he has been going early 3 hatch and playing for the late macro game. I almost feel like he has lost confidence in his muta micro.

Against Mania he only dedicated a single wave of mutalisks and never really tested the perimeter favoring a later game tech strategy.

I feel like someone is giving July bad advice and telling him to be Savior. July is not Savior, he shouldn\'t try to be Savior, he doesn\'t need to be like Savior. If Julyzerg rediscovers himself and pushes the midgame micro I think he will drop a lot of opponents including light.
3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
October 16 2007 23:11 GMT
#28
rock sux
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
October 17 2007 23:50 GMT
#29
July should be more like Kwanro. (Hahaha)
MyTHicaL
Profile Joined November 2005
France1070 Posts
October 18 2007 16:11 GMT
#30
Rock will make his comeback... :s
Gerpu
Profile Joined August 2006
Croatia77 Posts
October 21 2007 10:13 GMT
#31
9 days without anything new... GGnet, TLnet... What happened? Informations are short or there aren't any like here. Only informations we can get through forum but that is not as good as News... Few months ago we could read reports before every proleague match, before every OSL/MSL day... I can't belive it, everyone just stopped with good things. Is community dying or what?
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