• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 09:38
CEST 15:38
KST 22:38
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins EWC 202532Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 20259Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202580RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15
Community News
[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder8EWC 2025 - Replay Pack4Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced38BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams10Weekly Cups (July 14-20): Final Check-up0
StarCraft 2
General
The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings Classic: "It's a thick wall to break through to become world champ" Firefly given lifetime ban by ESIC following match-fixing investigation Serral wins EWC 2025 EWC 2025 - Replay Pack
Tourneys
Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) TaeJa vs Creator Bo7 SC Evo Showmatch Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $10,000 live event Esports World Cup 2025
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Flash Announces (and Retracts) Hiatus From ASL BW General Discussion [BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder Brood War web app to calculate unit interactions
Tourneys
Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL] Non-Korean Championship - Final weekend [BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China
Strategy
Does 1 second matter in StarCraft? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Total Annihilation Server - TAForever [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok)
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Link Between Fitness and…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Socialism Anyone?
GreenHorizons
Eight Anniversary as a TL…
Mizenhauer
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 618 users

2007 EVER OSL - Oct 12 - Ro16-2

Forum Index > News
Post a Reply
1 2 Next All
DJEtterStyle
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
United States2766 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-13 04:40:19
October 13 2007 03:30 GMT
#1
[image loading]

Thanks to KizZBG for this amazing banner!

OSL Ro16 Week 2
12 October 2007


Results
+ Show Spoiler +
Sea.Up > Shudder @ Persona
Iris > JulyZerg @ Katrina
DarkElf < Jaedong @ Blue Storm
Nal_Rock < Flash @ Fantasy II

Despite my mediocre Liquibet performance, the second week of the OSL went pretty much as I expected. None of the games were overly interesting, but because of the context, they warrant discussion; it’s the OSL, after all.

I couldn’t help but laugh at the irony of Up vs. Shudder. Up is known as a player who uses clever strategies and build orders to gain an early advantage against his opponent. In this case, however, it was Shudder who gained an early advantage due to his opening, only to have Up completely and utterly dominate him with some of the safest TvT play I’ve ever seen. I can’t even begin to imagine how demoralized Shudder feels. To have, of all people, Up say, “if this kid doesn’t beat me early, he won’t” must feel like a very literal kick to the gonads.

Iris vs. July was an uninspired game overall. Iris showed even sloppier micro than usual, but he made up for it with excellent macro and strong late-game management. July’s risky build has me wondering if Katrina’s 1-4 ZvT deficit is a sign of things to come. July’s play itself was actually pretty strong, but after losing his expansion at seven o’clock, he was fighting an uphill battle.

DarkElf vs. Jaedong was an awe-inspiring performance from Jaedong. And the problem is that, aside from his ill-advised attack on Jaedong’s sunken colonies, DarkElf didn’t play poorly. Against Jaedong, however, one mistake tends to be all it takes.

After Rock vs. Flash, all I could do was shake my head. Despite all the pre-OSL hype for Rock (you people know who you are), he showed just shy of no game feel against Flash. Practically every decision Rock made was the wrong one. Cutting probes early to defend against a two-factory push? Won’t help if you get SCV rushed. Going proxy reaver before singularity charge when there’s a bunker at your natural expansion? A questionable gamble at best. Going carriers when you’re way behind economically and have just lost your reavers? I’ll leave that question rhetorical.

Each game this week had its own degree of “charm.” Iris vs. July was the closest game of the night. Rock vs. Flash was the funniest. Up vs. Shudder was the most ironic. And Jaedong vs. DarkElf was the most one-sided. If I had to recommend only one game, however, it would be Jaedong vs. DarkElf. Much like Bisu vs. GGPlay from last week, the game is an exquisite performance from a true master of the matchup.

Credit for these videos goes, as always, to someone other than me.
+ Show Spoiler +
Shudder vs. Up
Iris vs. July
DarkElf vs. Jaedong
Flash vs. Rock

Next week, things get serious. Having played one game each, every player is looking to either secure that vital second win or bring themselves back into contention. Will GGPlay suffer from the dreaded OSL curse, or will he manage to take down the inexperienced Shudder? Will July be able to stop his two-game ZvT losing skid with a win against Light? Having already faced Jaedong and now facing Stork, will DarkElf win a single game this OSL? Will Frozean rebound from his embarrassing defeat against Savior with a win over Flash? These questions, and more, answered below!

Predictions
+ Show Spoiler +
Short of an act of the divine, there’s no way that GGPlay will lose to Shudder on a macro-based map like Katrina. GGPlay has proven that he can beat the best of the best in the matchup, and while Shudder is undefeated in televised TvZ, he’s only faced Luxury and Terror[fou].

Zergs are currently 4-1 against Terrans on Blue Storm, and with Light’s macro-based TvZ build orders, he’s vulnerable against an aggressive Zerg like July. Light, however, is playing as well as he ever has. I’m looking forward to this one!

If Stork plays conservatively, he should have no difficulties with DarkElf. If he tries to expand as aggressively as he did in his fateful series against Iris, however, he could find himself in a very different situation. DarkElf and Iris are teammates, after all. And for the record, yes, DarkElf will win a game this OSL; he will beat Nada.

I’m expecting Flash to trounce Frozean. In every Starleague, there are those few people who “don’t belong.” Frozean is just such a person.
WiSaGaN
Profile Joined July 2006
203 Posts
October 13 2007 03:42 GMT
#2
Good one.
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-13 04:21:13
October 13 2007 04:18 GMT
#3
I know Rock is terrible relative to the competition, but I want to see his celebrations.

Also the Rock ruined my first decent shot at 4/4 this season. Flash is supposed to lose to carriers! >:/
SonuvBob
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Aiur21549 Posts
October 13 2007 04:54 GMT
#4
Apparently it requires more than 2 carriers to auto-win vs Flash. Sucks for Rock that he had to learn this the hard way.
Administrator
HaXxorIzed
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Australia8434 Posts
October 13 2007 05:01 GMT
#5
Watching Rock play can be so incredibly depressing.
http://steamcommunity.com/id/HaXxorIzed
Q(-_-Q)
Profile Joined August 2007
United States348 Posts
October 13 2007 05:33 GMT
#6
On October 13 2007 13:18 zer0das wrote:
I know Rock is terrible relative to the competition, but I want to see his celebrations.

Also the Rock ruined my first decent shot at 4/4 this season. Flash is supposed to lose to carriers! >:/


totally there with you bud. i had rock pegged as going early carriers and smashing flash. too bad he can't stop a bunker rush and later a 2 fact. push. LAME
SC2 = Alpha = End Balance Speculations?
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32274 Posts
October 13 2007 06:33 GMT
#7
Good recap.

Thanks







ps: me > you zvt
Moderator<:3-/-<
Clumsy_plz
Profile Joined October 2007
Korea (South)22 Posts
October 13 2007 08:42 GMT
#8
Do not ignore Rock..

He is one of main player of WeMade with Nada
Desade
Profile Joined April 2007
Germany50 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-13 10:04:46
October 13 2007 09:57 GMT
#9
Imo this time analysis lacks a bit.

First of all an Iris vs July is one of the most interesting matches I can think of. Sadly it turned out very one-sided.
Iris played quite powerfull, he didn't let July come back in any way after taking his expo. Poor July put to much faith into his 3 lurks (2 of them morphing) and draw away his muts so Iris could take the expo with little an effort of marine micro. Same thing July did vs Mania where he moved his initial 4 lurkers unprotected towards the enemy's army though he had a nice package of mutas and zerglings.

And Rock. I consider Protoss fe a rather risky bo in the first place. Rock just fell to a perfect timed and microed bunker rush there. After the loss of probes and nexus he didn't stand much of a chance and in such a case players mostly try something sneaky.

Noenetheless thanks for great coverage.
I love 1 base bos
CTStalker
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada9720 Posts
October 13 2007 14:10 GMT
#10
terran dominance
By the way, my name is Funk. I am not of your world
Snet *
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States3573 Posts
October 13 2007 15:18 GMT
#11
nice read
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-13 17:49:44
October 13 2007 17:48 GMT
#12
To me, Jaedong's ZvT strength is defined by the threat presence of his early lings and the most terrifying mutalisk use today. However, past this stage his gameplay begins to fall behind the likes of Savior, GGPlay, July, and even Yarnc.

His lurker lings is good, solid, etc... but is nowhere near the level of his mutalisk play (of course, the bar Jaedong sets with his flying birdpoopers is ridiculously high). Then comes the hive tech, which is "alright" on a good day and pretty sloppy on average. The vast majority of Jaedong's ZvT's end at the stage of the muta ling; either he kills them outright, or the damage is so severe that the opponent is essentially out of the game. Sometimes the game goes on for a decent length after this, but the advantage Jaedong gains through his Mutalisks makes or breaks his game. This factor is true for all Zerg users, but I feel that Jaedong depends on this advantage more than any other player.

So far we've rarely seen his muta ling fail him... but I think it was Hwasin who first started to deflect Savior's mutalisk harass in MSL (BlitzX comes to mind for me), and as people in this thread have been saying, a series against the likes of Iris and Hwasin will be the true barometer for Jaedong's effectiveness in the matchup.
wakpark
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States173 Posts
October 13 2007 18:00 GMT
#13
Well if you watched the selection ceremony thing, Up SAID he was going to win without using weird strategies.
The Black Keys / The White Stripes
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
October 13 2007 19:31 GMT
#14
On October 14 2007 03:00 wakpark27 wrote:
Well if you watched the selection ceremony thing, Up SAID he was going to win without using weird strategies.

How totally unexpected.

@Etter: Nice write-up, I always enjoy reading your stuff. :D
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
October 13 2007 19:42 GMT
#15
Why do you refer to Rock fans as "you people"
I find that derogatory.
POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
October 13 2007 21:17 GMT
#16
It's not so much Rock fans as the people who thought he deserved a spot on the power rankings, I suspect. Also probably a bit deserved. :x
Pressure
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
7326 Posts
October 13 2007 22:06 GMT
#17
die rock
DIE.
Wizard
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Poland5055 Posts
October 13 2007 22:50 GMT
#18
On October 14 2007 04:42 SuperJongMan wrote:
Why do you refer to Rock fans as "you people"
I find that derogatory.


haha
sAviOr[gm] ~ want to watch good replays? read my blog: http://www.teamliquid.net/blog/wizard
hwasingodlysense
Profile Joined August 2007
79 Posts
October 13 2007 23:38 GMT
#19
Against Jaedong, however, one mistake tends to be all it takes.

thats so true!
you forgot that south korea supports hwasin. why lecaf oz was 8-0 in proleague? answer: experience and dedication. there is no mystery or trick. korean proleague is made of starcraft champions.
i.play.ZERG
Profile Joined August 2007
Canada276 Posts
October 14 2007 08:03 GMT
#20
I have so much respect for Jaedong right now.
1 2 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 2h 22m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Harstem 540
LamboSC2 63
Rex 58
ProTech58
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 44728
Sea 5280
Bisu 2657
EffOrt 1237
ggaemo 1117
Jaedong 1098
firebathero 660
Larva 634
Mini 599
Soulkey 281
[ Show more ]
Soma 173
Snow 163
Nal_rA 153
TY 102
ToSsGirL 98
Zeus 95
Mong 92
PianO 86
hero 76
Hyun 76
Rush 68
Movie 60
Sharp 51
Sea.KH 50
[sc1f]eonzerg 44
Free 23
zelot 19
yabsab 17
Terrorterran 10
Shine 7
sas.Sziky 4
Stormgate
RushiSC10
Dota 2
qojqva3576
Gorgc896
XcaliburYe338
Counter-Strike
byalli197
oskar194
edward89
kRYSTAL_14
Other Games
singsing2219
B2W.Neo1008
DeMusliM486
crisheroes427
Lowko304
djWHEAT94
QueenE31
rGuardiaN28
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 7
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta16
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2353
• WagamamaTV694
League of Legends
• Nemesis3202
• Jankos884
Upcoming Events
WardiTV European League
2h 22m
MaNa vs NightPhoenix
ByuN vs YoungYakov
ShoWTimE vs Nicoract
Harstem vs ArT
Korean StarCraft League
13h 22m
CranKy Ducklings
20h 22m
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
22h 22m
Mihu vs QiaoGege
Zhanhun vs Dewalt
Fengzi vs TBD
WardiTV European League
1d 2h
Shameless vs MaxPax
HeRoMaRinE vs SKillous
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 20h
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
2 days
Bonyth vs TBD
WardiTV European League
2 days
Wardi Open
2 days
OSC
3 days
[ Show More ]
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 20 Non-Korean Championship
FEL Cracow 2025
Underdog Cup #2

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
CC Div. A S7
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025

Upcoming

ASL Season 20: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
HCC Europe
CAC 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.