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thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-04-03 21:50:36
April 03 2007 03:42 GMT
#1
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Tonight (April 4th, Korea time) we will have the first games from the ODT. Please note that there will be 4 sets of bo3\'s to be broadcasted at 2pm and 6:30pm korea time (2 matches each). We will have two star-killer matches, along with as two pushover matches. Let\'s take a look at what\'s in store for us tonight.


2pm Korean
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HwaSin T (STX) vs
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JiHyun[jOypOp] Z (Samsung)

First set: Hitchhiker
Second set: Neo Arkanoid
Third set: Longinus 2


There really isn\'t too much to elaborate about this matchup. On one hand we have a pure TvZ specialist in Hwasin, and on the other hand we have a truely mediocre zerg who had an underwhelming performance in Shinhan 2. Unless Jihyun has significantly imrpoved his ZvT over the last 6 months, he will not have much of a chance to advance past Hwasin.


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ZergMan Z (Samsung) vs
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Luxury[GsP] Z (OGN)

First set: Neo Arkanoid
Second set: Longinus 2
Third set: Hitchhiker


An unfortunate event for both Luxury and his fans, this twin brother of Yarnc runs into one of the worst opponents imaginable. We have not seen any signs of Zergman\'s ZvZ slow down, and he most likely possesses a map knowledge advantage on Hitchhiker (HH was not in the proleague rotation). Many of us have been looking to Luxury to see if he can blossom into something special this season, but it appears that the odds of him advancing are against him.


6:30pm Korean
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Midas T (SK) vs [image loading] TheManiaMST T (CJ)

First set: Longinus 2
Second set: Hitchhiker
Third set: Neo Arkanoid


The second \"pushover\" match of the night, TheManiaMST made it through the PSL partly due to a benign PSL group. Meanwhile, Midas has been playing against elite player after elite player, and also has the advantage of keeping his game senses sharp though playing rA and Anytime in Superfight. Considering Midas\' considerable experience on both HH and Longinus II, don\'t expect to see a 3rd game for this match.

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UpMagiC T (eSTRO) vs
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PuSan[S.G] P (MBC)

First set: Hitchhiker
Second set: Longinus 2
Third set: Neo Arkanoid


Here we have it. The first true clash of big name players for this ODT (and there are many more to come). While Pusan\'s PvT win percentage is much more impressive than the TvP percentage of Upmagic, we must notice that the maps are heavily stacked in Upmagic\'s favor. Hitchhiker is certainly still a map that favors Terran over Protoss, while Longinus II and Neo Arkanoid have done nothing to reverse their histories. Expect at least one non-standard opening from Upmagic, be it a proxy factory or an all-in. A proxy factory seems especially likely on HH.

Aside from the qualifying games, we have not seen much from either player. Pusan\'s extensive experience in Starleagues and ODT\'s could give him an edge in terms of tv-game composure and dealing with rust.

This is a difficult match to predict, as the players\' matchup histories are counterbalanced by the map performances. Definitely the match of the night.




A solid set of 4 games with big names in each of them, tonight is certainly a night worth staying up late for.
SCNewb
Profile Joined June 2006
Canada2210 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-04-03 03:45:22
April 03 2007 03:44 GMT
#2
Nice writeup haji...always appreciate it

The game I'm looking forward to the most is the UpMagiC vs Pusan one..I want to see some Spirit Toss in the game:D
Huge iloveOov fan
mrmin123 *
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Korea (South)2971 Posts
April 03 2007 03:48 GMT
#3
Fuck late night games. Fucking hell.
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Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
April 03 2007 03:49 GMT
#4
Gogo Luxury & Upmagic. Upsets ftw
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infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
April 03 2007 03:49 GMT
#5
awesome haji ^^

I'm hoping to see some gg's from Up and Pusan
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Pressure
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
7326 Posts
April 03 2007 03:52 GMT
#6
On April 03 2007 12:48 mrmin123 wrote:
Fuck late night games. Fucking hell.

same here =.= aren't you in korea?
SonuvBob
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Aiur21549 Posts
April 03 2007 04:01 GMT
#7
Nothing against Midas, but I'm hoping Mania wins. He's Savior's training partner, and I just want to see his TvZ =P

Advice to Mania: Use cloaked wraiths. Midas doesn't know about detectors.
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SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
April 03 2007 04:01 GMT
#8
Haji, where do you get the notion Toss has a disadvantage on hitchhiker?
You know statistically P is way ahead on that map...
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KizZBG
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
u gotta skate8152 Posts
April 03 2007 04:05 GMT
#9
On April 03 2007 12:49 Carnac wrote:
Gogo Luxury & Upmagic. Upsets ftw
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thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
April 03 2007 04:06 GMT
#10
Hmm, the only PvT win I've seen on TV has been Much over Nada. Mostly everyone has died to the timing push through the middle before carriers could be ready.

Rock showed some nice decision making in qualifiers, but he still lost b/c he cant control carriers worth crap.

I guess I'm not familiar with the other games played during PSL since they werent broadcasted, and match specific results I dont think were translated (not worth it anyhow).

Has the early push problem been resolved for Toss?
comabreaded
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
United States2166 Posts
April 03 2007 04:40 GMT
#11
hey nice preview! thanks
I put the fu in fun
ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
April 03 2007 04:57 GMT
#12
Awesome post Haji. I'm looking forward to seeing Pusan and Up. That'll certainly be the match of the night.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42861 Posts
April 03 2007 05:21 GMT
#13
Exactly when will they be in tl.net time?
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thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
April 03 2007 05:21 GMT
#14
On April 03 2007 14:21 Kwark wrote:
Exactly when will they be in tl.net time?


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/time.php
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
April 03 2007 05:47 GMT
#15
<3

I'm liking all these write-ups.

Maybe you could add player races, though (for the future mostly). As much as I see the tag "TheManiaMST", I had to check another topic to see that he was T. I'm sure some others don't know all of these ODT player races either.
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
April 03 2007 05:54 GMT
#16
hm, good call on player races:O
Wasabi
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States3085 Posts
April 03 2007 05:55 GMT
#17
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azndsh
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4447 Posts
April 03 2007 06:52 GMT
#18
Dammit! If knew you were going to do these write-ups, I would have waited to liquibet on them...
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
April 03 2007 06:54 GMT
#19
lol wtf you shouldnt be basing yoru liquibets on my silly previews
mikeymoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada7170 Posts
April 03 2007 07:00 GMT
#20
Great as always! Keep it up.
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Purind
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Canada3562 Posts
April 03 2007 07:13 GMT
#21
On April 03 2007 12:42 thedeadhaji wrote:
Many of us have been looking to Luxury to see if he can blossom into something special this season, but it appears that the odds of him advancing are against him.


Doesn't he play against two, possibly three opponents in ODT? Or are his odds slim because he has to get past either zergman or hwasin?
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rgfdxm
Profile Joined December 2006
United States239 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-04-03 07:22:01
April 03 2007 07:16 GMT
#22
Haji- check out these stats from the PSL. Arkanoid may not be fun PvT, but tosses are having a field day on Longinus II and Hitchhiker.
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Credit goes to SonuvBob for finding this and linking it in the PSL thread.
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
April 03 2007 07:43 GMT
#23
On April 03 2007 16:13 Purind wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2007 12:42 thedeadhaji wrote:
Many of us have been looking to Luxury to see if he can blossom into something special this season, but it appears that the odds of him advancing are against him.


Doesn't he play against two, possibly three opponents in ODT? Or are his odds slim because he has to get past either zergman or hwasin?


this is stage 1, where 48 -> 24 in a bo3. Then, the 24 players are reshuffled into 6 groups of 4 players, and there will be an ODT to get the final 12 players.

Aphelion
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States2720 Posts
April 03 2007 08:08 GMT
#24
Great write up Haji! You could have mentioned though, that Pusan is a great cheese master in his own right. There has to be a proxy robo reaver or dt build on one of those maps.
But Garimto was always more than just a Protoss...
[GiTM]-Ace
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4935 Posts
April 03 2007 08:34 GMT
#25
nice writeup haji. I haven't been reading the write ups lately but you really have me pumped for this odt ~
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semioldguy
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States7488 Posts
April 03 2007 08:52 GMT
#26
After such a long break... this week is going to rock! I am really looking forward to a lot of the matches too, especially Pusan vs. Up. Tonight it seems to me at least that the matches get progressively more exciting. (Sure Midas wil probably destroy his opponent, but TvT is at the top of my list for potential excitement.)
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Detonate
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Iceland578 Posts
April 03 2007 09:43 GMT
#27
i think maniaMST is going to cheese Midas hard, if you have seen that guy play. i think it could be closer then people think as long as he throws Midas off his game
inept @ west always up for TMM and 1vs1. TLT3 goGOgOG
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-04-03 11:51:35
April 03 2007 11:47 GMT
#28
Why do they put the good games late T-T

edit: HH being good for PvT is surprising. Maybe it is ease of first three expos?

I don't know how to PvT on that map, still. I suppose the pros have got it figured out.

Longinus is pretty neutral, I suppose there are just better Protosses? too small sample size, 25 games or so.

Arkanoid - misplaced 14nex loses to 14cc most of time. Not surprised.
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