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Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
May 26 2003 16:12 GMT
#1
This time around we have Froz versus Ret. As you all know, Froz’s level of play can vary within a wide skill range on any given day. In the last Liquibition Froz managed to overcome the Canned Canadian with an iffy 6-5 score while using all three races. Only Froz himself knew if he was going to try or not versus Ret. As TL.net’s premiere RJ and someone who is friends with countless Koreans, he is not a Zerg to be taken lightly. Some people actually consider him a threat to Naz’s title of #1 WCG Holland this year, as he has something to prove after the WDT mishap. Can the Disgruntled Dutchman overcome the Adroit American?

BTW, I changed for the format to best-of-7 for the players’ and my own convenience. Best-of-11 was just far too much for exhibition matches.

Game 1
Map: The Lost Temple
The Game: Froz Terran at 9, Ret Zerg at 6. Ret early expanded and went for Muta while Froz went 2 port wraiths. Froz easily killed many overlords and scourges and appeared to be winning, meanwhile Ret desperately scrounged up as many hydra/scourge/muta as he could to fend off the accumulating wraith army. Each time Ret went to hit Froz’s wraiths with scourge, Froz would cloak and take no damage. Eventually Froz completely stopped harassing for no reason at all and built up M&M Tank and expanded. What looked like an easy win for Froz turned out to be a saddening loss as he didn’t protect his main and Ret kept dropping lings/lurkers and killing SCV’s.

1-0 Ret

Game 2
Map: Gaema Gowan
The Game: Froz Terran at 2, Ret Zerg at 5. Either Froz was just playing bad game 1, and didn’t think he would play any better game 2, or he wasn’t trying at all in this series. He opened with a double proxy rax in the center of the map. Of course, Ret has seen his fair share of pro-zerg replays and knows to scout diagonally first to catch any gayness antics. Ret then cancelled his morphing hatch and pooled up and then re-hatched in his main. Ret had sunken/lings before

Froz could do anything. Once Ret got speedlings he sprinted for Froz’s main and Froz knew his marines were far too slow to save his main, so he quit the game.

2-0 Ret

Game 3
Map: Neo Bifrost
The Game: Froz Zerg at top right, Ret Zerg at bottom left. Froz tried to 6 pool. Ret 9 pooled. Froz died.

3-0 Ret

Game 4
Map: The Lost Temple
The Game: Froz Terran at 3, Ret Zerg at 6. Froz went fast tank drop while Ret went early exp to muta. Froz’s tank drop came just before Ret’s spire finished and as Ret’s lurker upgrade was starting. The tanks killed Ret’s exp hatch but scourge killed the dropship before they could get away. Once a couple mutas dispatched of the tanks, Ret added 2 more hatches, one of which replaced his recently deceased hatch. Froz landed his exp CC and built up an army off of 3 raxes and 2 factories. Given the circumstances, Ret macro’d perfectly and amassed an army of hydra/lurk equal Froz’s army of M&M tank. When Froz came out to try and catch the macrolicious Zerg off guard, well-burrowed lurkers and a bunch of hydras devoured his entire army. Both players had lost most of their armies but by then Ret was much more powerful than Froz. Froz kept trying to attack but Ret just kept overwhelming him with hydra/lurk.

4-0 Ret.

Rekrul’s Rating of the game in this series is a 1 out of 10. This is basically as bad as they come. One game that should have been won by Froz but he played like crap, two failed cheeses, and a one sided rape by Ret.

It’s safe to say that Froz didn’t care much at all about these games. Ambiguity lives on. Though, Ret showed that he can’t be beaten if his opponent is going to slack off and that he’s not going to succumb to quibble cheese rushes. Next in the line-up is your favorite amateur pro-gamer, Legionnaire. Because this Aussie is not grandiose and keeps his skill on the low-down, it will be fun to see what he’s truly made of.

Enjoy the shitty replays~

why so 진지해?
MoooN
Profile Joined February 2003
Germany402 Posts
May 26 2003 16:24 GMT
#2
4000 reads and no comment ? wasaaa man!
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
May 26 2003 16:30 GMT
#3
4000 characters.
why so 진지해?
x[ReaPeR]x
Profile Joined February 2003
United States3447 Posts
May 26 2003 16:38 GMT
#4
This kind of play from the person who just won his WCG. Simply amazing.
ILoveOOv ownZ everyone!!! ~ Lamer List: Mynock, naventus
Shockey
Profile Joined January 2003
United States2615 Posts
May 26 2003 16:57 GMT
#5
im sure there were only a few people at san jose when he won it, and not much competition. froz is like that chess guy bobby fischer. he became #1 in a world beating the russians then he dissapeared and in a few years he came back and beat them again then disappeared again. FroZ and blackman are quite alike also. neither really do anything for a while then theyll come back, own everybody, then stay sorta low for a while. Or maybe froz is just one of those guys who is naturally good and really doesnt need to bother practicing. no matter what, hes definitely doing something right. so many people play year round some play 10 hours a day yet he just comes and wins wcg without practice. anyways
Pumpkin[s.R]
Profile Joined January 2003
United States317 Posts
May 26 2003 17:01 GMT
#6
--- Nuked ---
im best
Lockdown-
Profile Joined May 2003
United States298 Posts
May 26 2003 17:02 GMT
#7
thats just pathetic
mindspike
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Canada1902 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-05-26 17:19:14
May 26 2003 17:18 GMT
#8
sad
froz has no respect for tl.net
either that or his tvz is not that great
zerg/human - vancouver, canada
badteeth
Profile Joined January 2003
Netherlands1416 Posts
May 26 2003 17:34 GMT
#9
Dont play a liquibition match if you're not going to try.
no quote for you! ehh, damn.
S(O)ME(O)NE
Profile Joined December 2002
Canada473 Posts
May 26 2003 17:58 GMT
#10
Get Grrr...to play a liqibition. Grrr... Vs Smuft
distant_voice
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Germany2521 Posts
May 26 2003 18:36 GMT
#11
pathetic :-(
This is my truth, tell me yours!
LoveMiMi
Profile Joined February 2003
United States82 Posts
May 26 2003 18:39 GMT
#12
ilnp vs Ret ...next liquibet
For me the sun rises and shines with her. My Love Amy~
AgonyRush
Profile Joined January 2003
United States2540 Posts
May 26 2003 18:46 GMT
#13
Froz how could u?? ;(
A team is only as good as its worst lineup
Zaphod
Profile Joined October 2002
Australia192 Posts
May 26 2003 18:46 GMT
#14
oooo legionnaire
He who overcomes Will be dressed in white And i will not remove his name from the book of life And i give witness to him before my father
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13200 Posts
May 26 2003 18:49 GMT
#15
*Leg vs ilnp..
Our Cross Dessing BW champ will win..
gogo pete
:7
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Myztah.Myz
Profile Joined May 2003
Vietnam7 Posts
May 26 2003 19:01 GMT
#16
lol FroZ doesn't care that much now does he
Miz-tah punch!
Legionnaire
Profile Joined January 2003
Australia4514 Posts
May 26 2003 19:20 GMT
#17
FUCKING STUPID ZERGS. I HATE ZERGS. Of all competition games but 3 that i've lost have been to ZERGS.

ZERGSMUSTDIE ZERGSMUSTDIE ZERGSMUSTDIE ZERGSMUSTDIE ZERGSMUSTDIE ZERGSMUSTDIE ZERGSMUSTDIE ZERGSMUSTDIE ZERGSMUSTDIE ZERGSMUSTDIE ZERGSMUSTDIE ZERGSMUSTDIE ZERGSMUSTDIE ZERGSMUSTDIE ZERGSMUSTDIE ZERGSMUSTDIE ZERGSMUSTDIE ZERGSMUSTDIE ZERGSMUSTDIE ZERGSMUSTDIE ZERGSMUSTDIE ZERGSMUSTDIE ZERGSMUSTDIE ZERGSMUSTDIE ZERGSMUSTDIE ZERGSMUSTDIE ZERGSMUSTDIE ZERGSMUSTDIE ZERGSMUSTDIE ZERGSMUSTDIE ZERGSMUSTDIE ZERGSMUSTDIE ZERGSMUSTDIE ZERGSMUSTDIE ZERGSMUSTDIE ZERGSMUSTDIE ZERGSMUSTDIE ZERGSMUSTDIE ZERGSMUSTDIE ZERGSMUSTDIE ZERGSMUSTDIE ZERGSMUSTDIE ZERGSMUSTDIE ZERGSMUSTDIE ZERGSMUSTDIE ZERGSMUSTDIE ZERGSMUSTDIE ZERGSMUSTDIE ZERGSMUSTDIE ZERGSMUSTDIE
My hope is one day stupid people will feel the same pain when they talk, as the pain the rest of us feel when we hear them. Twitter: @Legionnaire_au
MPXMX
Profile Joined December 2002
Canada4309 Posts
May 26 2003 19:24 GMT
#18
Froz just doesn't give a fuck about teamliquid.net. Shouldn't have been invited, but maybe(I guess) you didn't think he didn't care, or didn't ask yourself whether he cared or not before inviting him. Not once did he do a solid build opting for a gg. It seemed to have been like one of those things players do so that when they lose they can say "I was just messing around, trying things" at least to themselves.

I feel sorry for Ret
Shockey
Profile Joined January 2003
United States2615 Posts
May 26 2003 19:38 GMT
#19
thats gay i couldve won 2 liquibet points had i known froz wouldnt try...
Legionnaire
Profile Joined January 2003
Australia4514 Posts
May 26 2003 19:41 GMT
#20
okay after my rant i feel much better now.

Now how do i liquibet for ret! I need some points as i'm falling behind!
My hope is one day stupid people will feel the same pain when they talk, as the pain the rest of us feel when we hear them. Twitter: @Legionnaire_au
ayer
Profile Joined February 2003
Mexico164 Posts
May 26 2003 20:26 GMT
#21
why don't they stop saying he didn't try...he played he lost that's enough. Or maybe they should let someone who would put some effort, these replays suck
IHaveNoSound
Profile Joined May 2003
Australia127 Posts
May 26 2003 20:56 GMT
#22
good that ret took it to him.
Sky101
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States1758 Posts
May 26 2003 21:33 GMT
#23
You guys gave ret no credit at all, sure I like Froz more than Ret but that doesn't mean Froz will automatically win vs Ret. I give credits where it's due, and sure I think Froz did not seem to try in those games but I believe Ret won largely because of his skills too.
Peter, Dang, pm me!!!
N.sL)_CirCle
Profile Joined December 2002
New Zealand478 Posts
May 26 2003 22:26 GMT
#24
Nice comeback in game 1 by ret. rest of the games froz didnt bother.

Least ret tried, pickups to that :D
I'm home with the downies
rK
Profile Joined September 2002
United States371 Posts
May 26 2003 23:07 GMT
#25
Feck.

Well, gj to ret
FeeLdAfuRy
Profile Joined October 2002
Australia290 Posts
May 26 2003 23:46 GMT
#26
Bah to you Froz-

C'mon Leg do the aussies proud!
AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE
OI OI OI!
Nuttie
Profile Joined November 2002
Poland302 Posts
May 27 2003 00:42 GMT
#27
LOL sad but i chose correctly only Nazgul as a winner in all Liquibitions and i don't know who to choose right now, any ideas?
St3MoR
Profile Joined November 2002
Spain3256 Posts
May 27 2003 01:52 GMT
#28
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Prophet in TL of the Makoto0124 ways
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4127 Posts
May 27 2003 02:25 GMT
#29
FUCK FUCK I Wanted to vote for Ret and press Froz by mistake:-(((((
and liquibet system dosent allow to correct if you are mistaken:-)
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
MaZgOt
Profile Joined April 2003
Australia58 Posts
May 27 2003 02:37 GMT
#30
behehheeh
go leg!
remember the "tickling under table trick"
altho it will be hard since he;s overseas
but still... try like... putting a blowup doll on the opposite size and practice while u play... that way you'll be good and trained
Qvark
Profile Joined October 2002
Sweden185 Posts
May 27 2003 05:18 GMT
#31
Time for a swede in liquibet
Davvve
AgonyRush
Profile Joined January 2003
United States2540 Posts
May 27 2003 05:35 GMT
#32
This old post is unavailable due to an encoding issue. Please contact an admin if you would like this post restored for historical reasons.
A team is only as good as its worst lineup
GosuAce
Profile Joined April 2003
Poland30 Posts
May 27 2003 06:22 GMT
#33
Amateur pro-gamer ? I Dont get it ...
iD.Twisted
Profile Joined September 2002
Netherlands3102 Posts
May 27 2003 06:44 GMT
#34
The winner wouldn't change if froz "tried":/
All you have to decide, is what to do with the time that is given to you
koomann
Profile Joined December 2002
United States97 Posts
May 27 2003 07:24 GMT
#35
comon froz.
6pool?

Oodels of fun =]
nEph^Destroyer
Profile Joined April 2003
Czech Republic105 Posts
May 27 2003 07:30 GMT
#36
pls more stupid liquibitions like this one ;/
everybody wants elky back...
destro ownz ^.~
Grotfang
Profile Joined May 2003
Belgium490 Posts
May 27 2003 08:07 GMT
#37
I think froz tried the first game, everything worked (he was really really lucky imo, finding about every wraith you can find) and he still didn't win. How discouraging is that? I think it's likely that he thought cheese gave him more %chance of winning after the 1st game than using his real skill.
No plz only LT.. no not TvT.. no.. ok cancel?
Mandalor
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Germany2362 Posts
May 27 2003 09:08 GMT
#38
why not invite ToT)Mondragon( for the next Liquibition match
he's great at zvz, as well as ret - so it would be a great match i guess
nArAnjO
Profile Joined October 2002
Peru2571 Posts
May 27 2003 21:20 GMT
#39
ZvZ?? boooooooooring
DV8
Profile Joined December 2002
United States1623 Posts
May 28 2003 01:00 GMT
#40
On May 27 2003 15:44 Twisted wrote:
The winner wouldn't change if froz "tried":/


odd but I agree with this statement
ShAsTa
Profile Joined November 2002
Belgium2841 Posts
May 28 2003 05:12 GMT
#41
Ret sux at zvz.
'sux' meaning his worst matchup.
If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.
iD.Twisted
Profile Joined September 2002
Netherlands3102 Posts
May 28 2003 06:16 GMT
#42
On May 28 2003 14:12 ShAsTa wrote:
Ret sux at zvz.
'sux' meaning his worst matchup.


Indeed, and zvz sux.
All you have to decide, is what to do with the time that is given to you
MORAGA
Profile Joined May 2003
United States323 Posts
May 28 2003 19:48 GMT
#43
Dissapointed t.T
Moraga, California
Smorrie
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands2923 Posts
May 29 2003 04:38 GMT
#44
you serious shasta??? world news! :[

anyways, i think ret would still have won vs froz if froz really went fullout as FroZ' worst m/u is TvZ and Ret's ZvT is really great :o

gw ret
It has a strong technique, but it lacks oo.
TeG-EviscEratoR
Profile Joined October 2002
Romania101 Posts
May 30 2003 19:31 GMT
#45
Anyone knows that someone can't win his countrys wcg without practicing like hell.
GG yes re.
IntoTheSiLenCe
Profile Joined November 2004
Poland12 Posts
November 19 2004 19:31 GMT
#46
I want some pts too;D
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