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CrazyHunter
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
United States83 Posts
July 23 2013 02:02 GMT
#21
Maru FIGHTING! Maru takes it 3-1 over Symbol #Believe #Prime
Innovation v SoulKey --- I don't care as long as it goes to the 5th match!
The strong live. The weak die
Greenei
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany1754 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-23 02:06:32
July 23 2013 02:06 GMT
#22
Hey TL writer, do you want to make a bet 1000€ on moneyline 2-2 odds for both on Soulkey(you) vs Innovation (me)? Or is your article full of lies and you don't actually believe what you write?

User was temp banned for this post.
IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
July 23 2013 02:12 GMT
#23
On July 23 2013 11:06 Greenei wrote:
Hey TL writer, do you want to make a bet 1000€ on moneyline 2-2 odds for both on Soulkey(you) vs Innovation (me)? Or is your article full of lies and you don't actually believe what you write?

way to be an asshole lol
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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Lunareste
Profile Joined July 2011
United States3596 Posts
July 23 2013 02:13 GMT
#24
Soulkey vs Innovation seems like it's going to be the Flash vs. Jaedong of the new era...

I play Terran, but ever since those first KeSPA exhibition matches at MLG I saw something special in Soulkey, I'd been saying for MONTHS before his GSL victory that he was the best Zerg on the planet, and that's why I'll be cheering for him tonight.

Tonight should be one to remember, folks.

Let's

Get

Hype
KT FlaSh FOREVER
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
July 23 2013 02:14 GMT
#25
Seems like an awfully aggressive challenge there, dude. What does "2-2 odds" even mean? Is that your really roundabout way of saying 50%? Because I'm not super sure how you even arrived at that conclusion from the article.
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
jubil
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2602 Posts
July 23 2013 02:16 GMT
#26
On July 23 2013 09:15 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:


Everyone knows how Innovation will play. He will go into the mid and late game, getting fast upgrades and pump out an endless army of marines, medivacs and mines. He will constantly attack and drop, attack and drop. He will rip his opponent apart with the brute force of his mechanics.


Just wanna point out that last GSL finals Innovation 2 rax rushed Soulkey twice, the first one being particularly brutal and effective. I wouldn't be surprised if he tried that again, or if he tries out some new cheese rush, especially since he probably won't being doing hellbat drop openers anymore.
Marineking-Polt-Maru-Fantasy-Solar-Xenocider-Suppy fighting!
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
July 23 2013 02:20 GMT
#27
Great preview, gogo soulkey and symbol.
shin_toss
Profile Joined May 2010
Philippines2589 Posts
July 23 2013 02:38 GMT
#28
Inno 3-2 Soulkey.. even after the Hellbat change
AKMU / IU
Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
July 23 2013 02:55 GMT
#29
INnoVation will just died to Soulkey's allins, cue the memories of Flash in BW dying because of his greedy predictability.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-23 03:03:52
July 23 2013 02:58 GMT
#30
On July 23 2013 10:00 Greenei wrote:
I think it will be a close match as well but if you had to bet your life would you really go for SK here? :/

What innovation really has going for him is his skill.
That is incredibly formidable.

However Soulkey has his skill, and then complete mystery.

It's hard to explain but this is huge in so many factors. Innovation has been playing again and again throughout last round of Proleague and then two TvZ's in playoffs.

So everyone knows how he plays. Maybe add in a tank if he suspects roaches or banelings, but at the core go for fast three bases into non stop widow mine aggression, swarming until eventually he can find a chink in his opponents armor. Soulkey already innovated against Inno with huge baneling hit squads, allowing him to win( or play evenly against) unlike other Zergs. No doubt a whole month where he was preparing for either Flash or Inno on Proleague Finals will allow him more such creations.

Soulkey has been the only player to take a macro game off of Innovation( am I wrong?); displaying incredible skill dealing wih drops and widow mine marine pushes, coupling that with a incredible work ethic and drive for glory, I believe he can take this series.

Edit: actually I think Roro too took a game on Whirlwind
Aserrin
Profile Joined October 2011
Uruguay231 Posts
July 23 2013 03:01 GMT
#31
Innovation and Symbol both 3:0
hli
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada32 Posts
July 23 2013 03:07 GMT
#32
Maru with a "strengthened race"? You're kidding right? His race was used to determine whether or not he'd beat Symbol? And how was the latest patch at all strengthening to T?
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
July 23 2013 03:15 GMT
#33
On July 23 2013 12:07 hli wrote:
Maru with a "strengthened race"? You're kidding right? His race was used to determine whether or not he'd beat Symbol? And how was the latest patch at all strengthening to T?


Probably meaning the race is strengthened vsZ in HotS compared to the end of WoL.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
July 23 2013 03:19 GMT
#34
On July 23 2013 12:15 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 12:07 hli wrote:
Maru with a "strengthened race"? You're kidding right? His race was used to determine whether or not he'd beat Symbol? And how was the latest patch at all strengthening to T?


Probably meaning the race is strengthened vsZ in HotS compared to the end of WoL.

cosmicspiral is well known to be zerg biased anyway
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
July 23 2013 03:53 GMT
#35
On July 23 2013 12:15 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 12:07 hli wrote:
Maru with a "strengthened race"? You're kidding right? His race was used to determine whether or not he'd beat Symbol? And how was the latest patch at all strengthening to T?


Probably meaning the race is strengthened vsZ in HotS compared to the end of WoL.


Strengthened vsZ implies some kind of advantage, though strengthening vsZ in HotS compared to the end of WoL doesn't mean anything considering the state of WoL near the end.
DeCoder
Profile Joined December 2010
Finland236 Posts
July 23 2013 04:23 GMT
#36
Soulkey 3-1 Bogus
DustbinBieber
Profile Joined April 2013
France276 Posts
July 23 2013 04:28 GMT
#37
Soulkey, while universally considered as a great player, is still much much much better than what people think.
Really close, I want to go with Soulkey, it'll depend on how purely mechanic Bogus can make the games, cause if it's all army control and production-pump we all know it's going to be a Terran sweep.
Spec
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Taiwan931 Posts
July 23 2013 04:36 GMT
#38
This book of major stuff is getting too intense.
Eye for an eye make the world go blind - Gandhi
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
July 23 2013 04:59 GMT
#39
Soulkey to win isnt surprising. They are the ying to the others yang. But I feel Soulkey doesnt have a "weakness" to exploit.

Innovation plays his T v Z almost identical everytime, which is something Soulkey has exploited before.

Innov. did learn against Crazy though, abd built a tank which helped hold against the roach drop.

Will be close though, 3:2 is accurate
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
July 23 2013 05:02 GMT
#40
I feel like Soulkey over Innovation isn't quite as bold a predicition as people seem to think.

Personally I see Soulkey going 3-2 or 3-1. I guess the GSL finals are still riding high in my mind.
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