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[Up/Down] Group F Preview (S1)

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June 3rd, 2013 22:10 GMT

2013 GSL Season 2

WCS Korea Season II - Up/Downs



Up/Down Group F Preview
Keen, Crazy, Yonghwa, sC, Avenge

Brackets and standings on Liquipedia

Up/Down: Group F Preview

by Waxangel

*Groups are being played out of alphabetical sequence because of scheduling considerations, Groups D and E will be played later.


The Up/Down are always a safe bet to watch if you like nerve-wracking matches and edge-of-your-seat drama, and Group F could be the best group out of all six. Not only are the five players all very good, but they're extremely close together in skill. There is no prohibitive favorite or consensus weakling in this group: if you played it out ten times, you'd probably get a very different result each time around.

Group C: (Z)KT_Crazy, (T)MVP.KeeN, (P)ST_Avenge, (P)LG-IM_YongHwa, (T)FXOsC


Season Two Starleague Players

Season One Top Eight (8)
(Z)Soulkey, (T)INnoVation, (P)sOs, (Z)Symbol, (Z)LosirA, (Z)RorO, (T)Bomber, (P)PartinG

Challenger League Bracket Stage Winners (12)
(P)Flying, (Z)hyvaa, (T)SuperNova, (Z)Life, (T)Flash, (P)Trap, (Z)RagnaroK, (P)Squirtle, (Z)Shine, (Z)soO, (P)Rain, (T)Bbyong

Challenger League Group Stage Winners (6/12)
(Z)Leenock, (T)Maru, (T)FanTaSy, (Z)Savage, (P)First, (P)Hurricane
Let's start out with (Z)KT_Crazy, the player who has the worst PR of the five. People might be counting him out since he's just a rotation player for KT Rolster in the Proleague (and he fell out of the line-up almost entirely during the round 5), but he's shown a strange aptitude for advancement in individual leagues. He's a bit reminiscent of fellow KeSPA Zergs soO and Shine in that they don't seem like Code S material, but nonetheless find a way to grind out wins against more illustrious opponents.

(P)LG-IM_YongHwa is kind of the opposite of Crazy. His exploits in GSTL, foreign tournaments, or in just about any setting that isn't the GSL suggest he has the skill to be a Code S regular, but that couldn't be further away from reality. He's simply cursed when it comes down to Code A and the Up/Down matches, getting eliminated for reasons both in and outside of his control. While we can say he tripped himself up in some of his earlier attempts to leap over the Code A/S wall, other times he was just miserably unlucky, like drawing Life just before his breakout season, having to forfeit due to a scheduling conflict with IEM, or coming down with a serious eye infection just before his Up/Down group (that's the time he went 0 – 5). Due to his almost supernatural jinx, I think he's the one player in this group we can say has a slight disadvantage.

Almost every group has a player who you could call the Code S regular, and here it's MVP's (T)KeeN. While he's had a few seasons where he was mired in Code A, overall he's been one of Code S' more regular figures with eight appearances so far. Keen is known outside the game for his entertaining ceremonies, but inside the game he's somewhat generic, being skilled and well-rounded but not exceptional. As far as we can tell, there won't be any ceremonies to look forward to from Keen in the Up/Downs, as he seems to be determined not to think about out-of-game celebrations until he can reach the higher rounds of Code S. That mindset is admirable in some aspects, but he risks falling into YoDa territory if he doesn't give us something to keep remembering him for.

While Keen brings stability to the group, (P)ST_Avenge brings unpredictability. The term 'wild card' is too weak to describe the ex-ZeNEX player, who spent much time being overshadowed by Squirtle and PartinG before finally getting a chance to shine in HotS. He's been a revelation for Startale in the GSTL, getting wins over players like Leenock, DongRaeGu, and MKP, and he's been kicking ass in Code A as well, defeating Hydra and Fantasy before falling to Flash. The reason why we're not hailing Avenge as the next big thing is because we still ahve a few reservations about his gameplay. All-ins have been a big part of his success so far, and we haven't seen him play all that many macro games. Also, he's looked rather inconsistent, sometimes showing remarkable finesse and attention to detail, and at other times losing because of sloppy play. With the potential to show marvelous play or crash and burn, Avenge is the second most interesting player headed into this group. Why just the second? Because of the next guy.

If any player could be called a 'prodigal son, it's (T)FXOsC. Starting off as one of the most exciting Terran prosects on team fOu (the predecessor to FXO Korea), he swapped teams to Team MVP before swapping games entirely to League of Legends. After being humbled by spending much time in the hinterlands of the Korean Solo Queue, sC decided he would return to the game and the team where he had found the most success, coming back home to FXOpen. For his choice, sC has been instantly rewarded. He has already all-killed for FXOpen in the GSTL, and he defeated a slew of Code B players in the brutally difficult Up/Down Qualifier tournament to earn his spot in this group. Sorry SeleCT! Reaching Grandmaster within a week of returning to StarCraft is pretty cool, but you've been outdone here. If sC could return to Code S in his first season back, it would make this already great story even more remarkable.

Prediction: sC and Avenge advance.

sC's story is just too good to root against. 'The young prodigy, having great success at the age of sixteen, took everything for granted and left to seek greater fortune. Older and wiser, and humbled by the cruelty of the world, he returns to his old home in search of redemption." Someone make this a TV miniseries already.

Of the remaining players, I'm most partial to Avenge, especially since Keen stopped doing ceremonies on air. If I'm not being entertained outside the game, I may as well root for Avenge to entertain inside of it with his slew of all-ins.

Writers: Waxangel.
Graphics: shiroiusagi.
Editor: Waxangel.
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NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
June 03 2013 22:15 GMT
#2
Thanks!
Hoping for sC & Keen to advance.
Moderatorlickypiddy
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
June 03 2013 22:16 GMT
#3
Go sC
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
tili
Profile Joined July 2012
United States1332 Posts
June 03 2013 22:20 GMT
#4
C'mon Crazy!

This feels like a really strong group to me... though, so many are these days
iMrising
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States1099 Posts
June 03 2013 22:20 GMT
#5
gogo avenge! called taeja and life as the next big thing! now its your turn
$O$ | soO
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
June 03 2013 22:22 GMT
#6
Yonghwa/sC please

Yonghwa is the Sisyphus of the gsl. He needs code S already

also sC cause old school and good.
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
Darkdwarf
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Sweden960 Posts
June 03 2013 22:25 GMT
#7
Hoping for YongHwa, would make Artosis so happy :D
Teams: IM, Jin Air, Invictus || Players: Maru, GuMiho, INnoVation, Ryung, sOs, Squirtle, NaNiwa, Has, Zoun, Life, Rogue, Dark
ViTaLiTy17
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada16 Posts
June 03 2013 23:03 GMT
#8
Avenge and Crazy. Avenge is nuts and crazy reps KT motha fukin ROLSTER BABY AWW YEA
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
June 03 2013 23:47 GMT
#9
Go Crazy-Hydra! Flash needs some KT company in code S! :D
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
llIH
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2144 Posts
June 03 2013 23:52 GMT
#10
sC !
ES.Genie
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1370 Posts
June 04 2013 00:03 GMT
#11
Gogo sC & Keen!
No Mvp, no care. ~ the King will be back | Shawn Ray, Kevin Levrone, Phil Heath |
Ecstatic
Profile Joined January 2011
United States160 Posts
June 04 2013 00:11 GMT
#12
Pretty sure Keen is being way underestimated here. I would say his results in GSTL and the way he looked in code S make him look like a favorite here imo. He's the saving grace of a weak looking MvP roster right now and I think he'll make it out.
igay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Australia1178 Posts
June 04 2013 00:15 GMT
#13
Come on younghwa
MVP <3 MKP <3 DRG <3
Ricemagical
Profile Joined November 2010
270 Posts
June 04 2013 00:22 GMT
#14
The health problems sc had (lung collapse if I remember correctly?) makes the success story even successier
ClairvoyanceSC2
Profile Joined February 2012
United States758 Posts
June 04 2013 00:26 GMT
#15
Lets go Keen ~!~!
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
June 04 2013 00:30 GMT
#16
On June 04 2013 09:22 Ricemagical wrote:
The health problems sc had (lung collapse if I remember correctly?) makes the success story even successier


His lungs collapsed twice as far as I recall.

sC! Come on man! Would be a sick return story.

Also rooting for Keen because I remain hopeful he'll be cool again.
Mvp - Leenock - Dongraegu - MC - Gumiho - Keen - Polt - Squirtle - Jjakji - Genius - Seed - Life - sC - Dream || LG-IM - MVP - FXO
SidianTheBard
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2474 Posts
June 04 2013 00:45 GMT
#17
sC has two of my most memorable games. Vs NesTea and vs Losira. His game vs NesTea was just a WoL Classic. His parade push on Terminus vs Losira was such an entertaining game. He needs to get back to Code S. The guy is amazing.
Creator of Abyssal Reef, Ascension to Aiur, Battle on the Boardwalk, Habitation Station, Honorgrounds, IPL Darkness Falls, King's Cove, Korhal Carnage Knockout & Moonlight Madness.
ELlminator1
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia344 Posts
June 04 2013 01:05 GMT
#18
Gogogo sC. Hope he is able to continue playing without any lung collapses and other health problems.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
June 04 2013 01:25 GMT
#19
On June 04 2013 09:45 SidianTheBard wrote:
sC has two of my most memorable games. Vs NesTea and vs Losira. His game vs NesTea was just a WoL Classic. His parade push on Terminus vs Losira was such an entertaining game. He needs to get back to Code S. The guy is amazing.


Let me add sC vs San back when Khaydarin Amulet was still around.
Someone call down the Thunder?
catplanetcatplanet
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3830 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-04 02:25:06
June 04 2013 02:22 GMT
#20
GOGOGOGO AVENGE YAHHHHHH

WHERE MY MAN FUSILERO

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Poll: Will Avenge advance?

zenex (26)
 
76%

fuck yea (7)
 
21%

ya (1)
 
3%

34 total votes

Your vote: Will Avenge advance?

(Vote): ya
(Vote): fuck yea
(Vote): zenex

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