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ShinHan 2006 OSL1 - Semifinals 2 - Chojja vs Jju

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ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-06-21 10:07:58
June 21 2006 10:06 GMT
#1
The ZvZ master of MSL meets the ZvZ master of Team League in our second match of the semi-finals! This series promised to be a veritable clash of the titans as both players have shown great ability in this match-up recently.

Chojja vs Jju

Game 1 – 815

Before I comment on the game, I must say that Jju’s sign was very cute…and awkward. I didn’t know these two were so close.

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I would make a joke here...but it's too easy.


Chojja started in the lower right main and used the gas first for fast lair build that has become very common for ZvZ on 815. Jju, on the other hand, went for a hatch first build…to a new main! Both players sent their overlords directly for their opponents main, which worked against Jju as Chojja could see that something was up due to his late pool and absent hatchery. Chojja immediately laid a hatch at his natural and began to climb to lair tech.

Jju was not too far behind and started his lair. They both began to produce zerglings... and then it all went bad for Jju. Chojja had a solidly laid out ling group, while his opponent was rallying an unsteady stream of lings to his natural. Chojja caught Jju out of position and got 3 completely free ling kills during retreat. He then pushed harder and fought Jju’s lings in small groups. In the end Jju was able to clear it out, but he had spent a lot of larva on lings while Chojja had begun muta production. This combined with his earlier lair and thus spire gave Chojja a big lead in tech. Jju wasn’t really mining at his new main anyway so he didn’t really get an advantage there.

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Jju finally clears Chojja's lings from his main.


Jju tried attacking Chojja with ling/scourge and a muta before he fell further behind, and was completely stomped. He gave up shortly after.

Chojja > Jju

Jju’s build was stupid. He didn’t even utilize the gas at the new main and his ling placement was weird and spotty due to the rallying point he set up. He always seemed to have the intention of being aggressive, which didn’t suit the placement of his production or the possible advantage of his build. The only explanation is that he was trying to fool Chojja into expecting him to be passive. In any case, it didn’t work.

Game 2 – Peaks of Baekdu

Chojja got the top main and Jju got the bottom. They took different approaches immediately as Jju waited longer for his pool at his 12th drone and Chojja built his at 9. Once again, Jju expanded early to his gas expo (left of center).

Chojja went for the throat right away. He attacked Jju’s drones and with such a head start due to his early pool, he was able to harass Jju and keep his drones jumping around to defend. When Jju finally caught up with Chojja’s ling numbers, Chojja was already building a spire and Jju didn’t even have a lair!

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Jju, getting ling harassed to death.


Both players knew what was coming at this point. Chojja laid down a pair of sunkens to protect himself from his opponent’s inevitable assault and Jju rallied drones and lings to the North. Jju tried his best, but Chojja was able to defend himself by gumming up the works with drones while his sunkens attacked. 3 mutas hatched and finished off the rest.

Chojja > Jju

Jju didn’t 9 pool on the smallest map in the map pool. Chojja’s response and ling harass was very typical. I can’t imagine he didn’t experience playing against that same style and build before. A very disappointing game to say the least.

Game 3 – Rush Hour

Chojja started at the bottom left main with yet another gas first build and Jju was at 3 o’clock using yet another 12 pool. Jju got to build his second hatch first of course, due to his more mineral rich build, and chose to place it at his natural. In contrast, Chojja’s gas rich build allowed him to tech faster and he began a spire with his second hatch in his main.

Chojja made a sudden attack with a large ling army, but was deflected by a sunken and opposing zerglings. He followed it up immediately with a 4 muta attack. Jju’s spire wasn’t even done yet, so he lost some drones and lings while he waited to produce scourge.

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Jju does a better than average job of killing off Chojja's early mutas with some scourge.


Jju’s scourge use was impressive, granted, and he was able to kill a number of mutas early on. However, in his hast to counter his opponents early spire Jju failed to notice that Chojja was only producing lings at this point. He was run over very easily as his scourge hung uselessly in the air, unable to aid him in any way.

Chojja > Jju

Again Jju goes with a late gas build. Again Chojja controls the pace of the game entirely. Again Jju doesn’t even get his second gas up, making his fast expo build useless.

Chojja wins 3-0 and moves on to the finals!

Jju played like garbage. He was constantly behind, defending stupidly with drones for no reason. His late pool, late gas builds were lame and didn’t suit the maps, nor did they counter his opponents lower economy fast tech builds.

Again, I can’t imagine that Jju didn’t run into these very common fast pool/lair builds while he was practicing. Chojja didn’t exhibit anything extraordinary at all. He just played solid, but looked invincible due to Jju's inept play. Let’s hope Jju decides to show up next time he plays on TV.


That’s all for the semis. I’d like to thank OctoPuSs once again for helping out. Reports on 3/4/5th place finishers are coming soon.
ModeratorTL VOD legends: Live2Win, hasuprotoss, Cadical, rinizim, Mani, thedeadhaji, Kennigit, SonuvBob, yakii, fw, pheer, CDRdude, pholon, Uraeus, zatic, baezzi. The contributors make this site what it is. *Props to FakeSteve for respecting the guitar gods*
Tantei Shoryu
Profile Joined June 2006
Japan49 Posts
June 21 2006 10:34 GMT
#2
Jju's ZvZ is pretty crappy right now...his builds on every single map are slow and ineffective. The only thing he has going for him is good micro... but he never has any units to micro so =/
Cbreaker
Profile Joined March 2006
United States476 Posts
June 21 2006 10:59 GMT
#3
reads like a mensrea report
Drowsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States4876 Posts
June 21 2006 11:05 GMT
#4
Jju looks really old o_O? And were the vods for these games up on the 9th?
Our Protoss, Who art in Aiur HongUn be Thy name; Thy stalker come, Thy will be blunk, on ladder as it is in Micro Tourny. Give us this win in our daily ladder, and forgive us our cheeses, As we forgive those who play zerg against us.
mrmin123 *
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Korea (South)2971 Posts
June 21 2006 12:13 GMT
#5
The games were just goddamn pitiful. :[
Translator태양은 묘지위에 붉게 떠오르고 / 한낮에 찌는 더위는 나의 시련 일찌라!
safe[3x]
Profile Joined April 2004
United States50 Posts
June 21 2006 12:34 GMT
#6
in the poster there its quite obvious that the pictures of jju/chojja were pasted on there together ;p

chojja is master of zvz, but jju deserves some credit i think for trying risky builds, but then again for zvz risky builds are usually VERY risky ;p
Duke
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States1106 Posts
June 21 2006 22:02 GMT
#7
i enjoyed reading this report o.O;
phexac
Profile Joined March 2004
United States186 Posts
June 21 2006 23:34 GMT
#8
I started a thread in the strategy forum about the expansion builds zvz, and these games illustrate exactly what Iw as talking about--the early expansion does not give you any advantage early game since you can't afford drones to mine from it, while at the same time it makes it a lot harder to defend. And you can't start using it until later later in the game, by which point you ahve either already lost, or the opponent can have an expo of their own.
tKd_
Profile Joined February 2005
United States2916 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-06-22 00:00:47
June 21 2006 23:57 GMT
#9
On June 22 2006 08:34 phexac wrote:
I started a thread in the strategy forum about the expansion builds zvz, and these games illustrate exactly what Iw as talking about--the early expansion does not give you any advantage early game since you can't afford drones to mine from it, while at the same time it makes it a lot harder to defend. And you can't start using it until later later in the game, by which point you ahve either already lost, or the opponent can have an expo of their own.


I liked that thread. What I've noticed is that fast expansion taking makes the game turn into ling/scourge wars, which forces the opponent to go lings and not power in order to kill you early.
OctoPuSs
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Canada5279 Posts
June 22 2006 00:10 GMT
#10
Wow Mana you actually made those games entertaining .
Good job
Depression is just a sarcastic state of mind. Liquid`HerO Fighting!
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
June 22 2006 00:35 GMT
#11
In this case, BR>VODs.
But the game on RH was the only one that was ok.
If Jju had the right OL direction, it was his.
POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-06-22 03:30:56
June 22 2006 03:27 GMT
#12
Wow, those are some hefty compliments there guys. Thank you.
ModeratorTL VOD legends: Live2Win, hasuprotoss, Cadical, rinizim, Mani, thedeadhaji, Kennigit, SonuvBob, yakii, fw, pheer, CDRdude, pholon, Uraeus, zatic, baezzi. The contributors make this site what it is. *Props to FakeSteve for respecting the guitar gods*
SchOOl_VicTIm
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Greece2394 Posts
June 22 2006 04:32 GMT
#13
i'm dying to know what words they traded after the games were over
StarcraftNoob
Profile Joined June 2006
Canada24 Posts
June 27 2006 03:31 GMT
#14
is JJu's ZvZ really that bad? He's a great player but he doesn't seem to win any of those..........=(
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