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[GSTL] Startale vs. Prime Preview (S1)

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April 11th, 2013 20:55 GMT

BenQ GSTL Season 1

BenQ GSTL
Season One




Startale vs. Prime
Preview


Brackets and results on Liquipedia

Week Four


When each team had just one game in the books, it was hard to know what to make of the new season. After Prime, Startale, Azubu, and NSH play their games this week, each team will have two games a piece played, and we'll have some idea about how the playoff picture might turn out. The first match of the week features a rematch between Prime and Startale, two teams that are quite different shape since they clashed in the GSTL finals one year ago.

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Startale

Prime



by stuchiu

Here we are again with another rematch of the infamous GSTL Las Vegas finals, just a little over one year after that fateful disconnect. To refresh your memories, PartinG and MKP faced off in the crucial fourth set of the GSTL finals, with both of them at the peak of their PvT powers. Toward the end of an epic, incredibly close game, PartinG finally seemed to be pulling away with a massive lead, his deathball coming together after he had defended against countless waves of infantry. At that moment, a disconnect occurred, hurtling the outcome of the game into chaos, and evoking chants of "WE WANT LAN" from the crowd. Any decision would have seen one of the teams become infuriated, but it happened to so be that the GSL decided in the favor of Prime on that day. A rematch was called for, where MKP emerged victorious. He would continue to sweep the Startale team and clinch the championship for Prime.

While a match between these two teams is still a very good one, it has become a lot less attention grabbing than it once was. The grudge between Prime and ST has had an year to cool down. Both teams' rosters look very different now – Startale's in its composition, and Prime's in its quality. Startale lost incredibly crucial players in PartinG and Squirtle, but acquired team ZeNEX and in turn an incredible prodigy in Life. Prime dropped every Zerg play on their roster, but kept their four man core intact. The difference is that we rate that core very differently in 2013 than we did in 2012. MKP is no longer the best player in the world, but Creator, ByuN, and Maru have all gained much more experience. While these two teams feel very different from they way they did one year ago, you can't help but feel that there is always a chance for something special when these two meet up and tonight is no exception. Also, we can resume from replay now.

Opening Match: (Z)ST_Golden vs. (T)MarineKingPrime

The night will open with MarineKing from Prime vs. Golden from Startale. MKP is easily the ace of Prime. He has the most fame, results and skill on the team. Despite all of that, he has always had some consistency issues and has had issues with Zerg players ever since the queen patch. While some hoped that the TvZ issues would go away with the arrival HotS, it seems like that match-up remains a problem for him as Curious easily ran him over in their recent Code S match. While not playing against Curious, MKP will have to face another ST Zerg in the form of the ex-fou, ex-slayers, ex-light, ex-quantic player Golden. While nowhere near matching Curious’ resume, Golden recently distinguished himself by qualifying for this season’s Challenger League. Objectively, MKP is probably the overall more skilled player between the two, but Golden matches well against MKP’s style with his mass ling/bling style. Startale must be confident in Golden to send him out when it means possibly benching one of Curious or Life, and we'll see if he can live up to expectations.

Advantage: Startale


Prime Barbershop Quartet vs. StarTale Musical Chairs

With the GSTL moving back to the Bo7 GSTL format, Prime has never looked better (well, since they won the GSTL, anyway). Before they would have to scramble trying to find a suitable 5th man, only to get very mixed results. Now with just 4 players playable in a match, Prime can just play their four best players in (T)MKP, (T)ByuN, (T)Maru and (P)Creator. The only real consideration that Prime needs to take into account is what order they should appear in, but with 3 of the 4 players being Terran it generally doesn’t make much of a difference for them or the opposing team.

...Or Prime can keep doing what they've always done, and keep sending in one untested player per match as a sacrifice and have their core players bail them out. Actually, that's a bit unfair to the rest of the Prime bench, as Classic and Salmosa did okay last season filling in as fifth men. Those two are gone now, but it has to give you a little faith in Prime's ability to find other players to play a role. But with less margin for error, head coach Gerrard will have to think a lot harder about using his lesser known players, even though giving them experience and confidence will be crucial for the playoffs where the games revert to best of nine.

On the other hand is ST, which is hurt by the bo7 format. They have one of the deeper rosters in GSTL and have 8 legitimate choices to use besides the one slot that should be (the history of GSTL tells us 'should happen' doesn't always actually happen) reserved for Life. For Terran they have (T)Bomber, (T)Hack, (T)Sound and (T)Sparta. The latter 3 just proved their mettle by getting through the qualifiers with relative ease and into the Challenger League. For Protoss they have the ZeNEX Protosses (P)Avenge and (P)TREME. Both have reputations as decent, solid players, but are unlikely to get any play time as Prime is especially good in vP matchups. For Zerg they have Golden starting, and (Z)Curious and (Z)Pet waiting in the wings. Curious can easily play the Ace role and has before as he seems to have nerves of steel outside of Code S, while Pet is yet another ST player to prove his worth by making it through the Challenger League qualifiers.

While Prime might have a very strong and lean lineup, Startale is not lacking in strength and they have many more choices with their depth.

Advantage: Startale


Aces: Whoever goes last for Prime vs. (Z)ST_Life

Generally, Prime uses MKP or Creator for their ace. But with MKP taking on the first slot, there is no real clue as to who will act as Prime’s ace. Creator has had trouble with the transition to HotS. Byun has some terrible nerve issues and is hugely hit or miss. And Maru, while solid, just hasn't shown that he can go head to head against a player like Life. Startale on the other hand can just use their best Zerg in the world card to finish the match if the need to, and on top of that, they also have strong alternatives in Bomber and Curious making it hard to for Prime to guess who will be the last man sent in.

One thing to note is that Life hasn't been quite as good as people would have hoped in the GSTL compared to his results in other tournaments. Players like Mvp, MC, and Nestea have also shown that GSL success doesn't mean GSTL success, and Life might be a part of that club.

Advantage: Startale


Overall Prediction

Everything here looks in favor of Startale: The starter, roster and ace all are in ST’s favor. But of course, Prime still has a fighting chance. MKP, Byun and Maru are all extremely streaky players that have performed all kills before. Byun just all killed Azubu, and both MKP and Maru have all killed ST in other tournaments. Momentum is everything here for Prime. But even on their best day, ST still has Life, and Prime has no answer.

Startale 4 - 2 Prime



Writers: stuchiu .
Graphics: Pathy.
Editor: Waxangel.
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sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5523 Posts
April 11 2013 21:01 GMT
#2
It's kind of scary to think how good Startale is even without Squirtle & Parting... this is going to be a good match to watch.
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
April 11 2013 21:05 GMT
#3
I want to see Life all-kill again, and it will be especially good if he can run over MKP and make him cry
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Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2954 Posts
April 11 2013 21:05 GMT
#4
Well, of course Life isn't as good in GSTL as in other tournaments...
... he NEEDS to lose the first 3 sets to actually win something, bad initial situation for a GSTL...
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4557 Posts
April 11 2013 21:07 GMT
#5
disagree with most sections, PRIME gonna stomp
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
April 11 2013 21:09 GMT
#6
Its kind of mind blowing to see the Protoss line be the weak one on ST.
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
April 11 2013 21:13 GMT
#7
This could go either way I'd say, but Startale should take it in the end.

I'd really like to see Life play. I think he's probably being overrated in GSTL but he doesn't come out enough to see for sure. He's probably good, but I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't the ace.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
April 11 2013 21:19 GMT
#8
Golden all kill. He looked solid on the code a qualifier stream. Ganzi got owned
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Dudasc
Profile Joined October 2012
Brazil286 Posts
April 11 2013 21:19 GMT
#9
On April 12 2013 06:05 Zealously wrote:
I want to see Life all-kill again, and it will be especially good if he can run over MKP and make him cry


lol haha Life does that to people. For some reason there are players that talk too much and think they can go toe to toe with Life (like MC) and end up getting crushed by 6-10p into macro play and then cry after getting 3-0ed.

I expect Bomber to get a lot of wins but I really want to see Life playing, so much skill for just one kid


Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
April 11 2013 21:40 GMT
#10
There will be no cord kicking this time, MKP.
DavoS
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States4605 Posts
April 11 2013 21:41 GMT
#11
Every time I read a preview of StarTale's lineup, I remember how sad I am that Parting and Squirtle left :'(
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Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
April 11 2013 21:41 GMT
#12
On April 12 2013 06:05 Zealously wrote:
I want to see Life all-kill again, and it will be especially good if he can run over MKP and make him cry

Some men just want to watch the world burn.
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Evil_Sheep
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada902 Posts
April 11 2013 21:57 GMT
#13
It's amazing that Startale never won a GSTL when they could draw on Life, Curious, Bomber, Squirtle, and Parting, but even with their star protosses gone, a Prime victory looks farfetched.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
April 11 2013 22:05 GMT
#14
I have to respectfully disagree that MKP has the advantage against Golden. Prime could do this. Byun did look solid against Super the other day (though it was a lot of 2 base timings).

Either way, it's nice to see the Startale-Prime rivalry again. Hype!

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EpiK
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5757 Posts
April 11 2013 22:16 GMT
#15
On April 12 2013 06:09 Promethelax wrote:
Its kind of mind blowing to see the Protoss line be the weak one on ST.

well, no team can be perfect. Their Zerg and terran lineups are stacked enough
iViNtaGe
Profile Joined July 2012
United States254 Posts
April 11 2013 22:31 GMT
#16
Go MKP and Prime!

You got this!!!
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catplanetcatplanet
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3835 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 22:54:16
April 11 2013 22:54 GMT
#17
I think you meant Terius, not Salmosa.

Salmosa kind of just sucked.

GO ST
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TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
April 11 2013 23:01 GMT
#18
This will be a very hard match for Prime. If they can win this, they are definately a title contender once again!
derpface
Profile Joined October 2012
Sweden925 Posts
April 11 2013 23:09 GMT
#19
MKP all-kill. Nothing more and nothing less.
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zumpy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States122 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 23:09:48
April 11 2013 23:09 GMT
#20
Anyone know what (P)AcE? He's not even mentions in the article, did he retire?
well won
EnumaAvalon
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Philippines3613 Posts
April 12 2013 00:03 GMT
#21
ST needs more Prptosses. So does Prime really.
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asdfOu
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2089 Posts
April 12 2013 00:07 GMT
#22
Prime
rip prime
catplanetcatplanet
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3835 Posts
April 12 2013 00:07 GMT
#23
On April 12 2013 08:09 zumpy wrote:
Anyone know what (P)AcE? He's not even mentions in the article, did he retire?

He did some casting a few weeks ago for some tournament. He doesn't seem to be an active player since he wasn't in ST's recent group photos. Neither was Harrier.
I think it's finally time to admit it might not be the year of Pet
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
April 12 2013 00:50 GMT
#24
anyone want to make the LR? :D

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18269918
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
April 12 2013 01:01 GMT
#25
I got you
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Acronysis
Profile Joined November 2011
872 Posts
April 12 2013 02:22 GMT
#26
DO it Startale. . . show Prime your strength! gogo life =)
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SHOOG
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1639 Posts
April 12 2013 02:31 GMT
#27
Go Startale!
I hope they send Pet out. I would like to see more games from him.
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
April 12 2013 02:39 GMT
#28
On April 12 2013 06:09 Promethelax wrote:
Its kind of mind blowing to see the Protoss line be the weak one on ST.


Naniwa will solve that (if they ever gonna announce it)
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Misacampo
Profile Joined July 2012
167 Posts
April 12 2013 03:19 GMT
#29
lol what a surprise, the tl writers hate MKP!

You're actually favoring golden over MKP. What a joke. Has he ever even won anything whatsoever?
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
April 12 2013 03:25 GMT
#30
On April 12 2013 12:19 Misacampo wrote:
lol what a surprise, the tl writers hate MKP!

You're actually favoring golden over MKP. What a joke. Has he ever even won anything whatsoever?

They have won as many significant tournaments in HotS
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asdfOu
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2089 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-12 03:28:22
April 12 2013 03:25 GMT
#31
On April 12 2013 09:07 catplanetcatplanet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 08:09 zumpy wrote:
Anyone know what (P)AcE? He's not even mentions in the article, did he retire?

He did some casting a few weeks ago for some tournament. He doesn't seem to be an active player since he wasn't in ST's recent group photos. Neither was Harrier.

im pretty sure i read something on Harrier retiring. Not 100% certain but im pretty sure. I read that somewhere on TL



Also, did Prime seriously lose Classic? I read that somewhere and I really want to know so I can either leave him on my FGSTL team or take him off
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DidYuhim
Profile Joined September 2011
Ukraine1905 Posts
April 12 2013 03:30 GMT
#32
ST vs Prime without PartinG feels so wrong.

Damn you, KeSPA.
Misacampo
Profile Joined July 2012
167 Posts
April 12 2013 03:40 GMT
#33
On April 12 2013 12:25 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 12:19 Misacampo wrote:
lol what a surprise, the tl writers hate MKP!

You're actually favoring golden over MKP. What a joke. Has he ever even won anything whatsoever?

They have won as many significant tournaments in HotS


Actually MKP won winter exhibition.
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
April 12 2013 03:52 GMT
#34
Startale fighting all the way!
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YoungTyTy
Profile Joined November 2011
United States801 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-12 04:22:46
April 12 2013 04:18 GMT
#35
On April 12 2013 12:40 Misacampo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 12:25 Zealously wrote:
On April 12 2013 12:19 Misacampo wrote:
lol what a surprise, the tl writers hate MKP!

You're actually favoring golden over MKP. What a joke. Has he ever even won anything whatsoever?

They have won as many significant tournaments in HotS


Actually MKP won winter exhibition.

He's in the finals against hero and he got there by beating foreigners and Seed barely. Seed didn't even get through challenger qualifiers, and though I like marineking, he just hasn't looked very good in HOTS. That said, I think it could go either way, Golden is not bad.
Edit: Liquipedia, you've failed me. We'll see how it goes. Also, for some reason hero hasn't looked as strong as usual lately either.
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
April 12 2013 04:19 GMT
#36
On April 12 2013 13:18 YoungTyTy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 12:40 Misacampo wrote:
On April 12 2013 12:25 Zealously wrote:
On April 12 2013 12:19 Misacampo wrote:
lol what a surprise, the tl writers hate MKP!

You're actually favoring golden over MKP. What a joke. Has he ever even won anything whatsoever?

They have won as many significant tournaments in HotS


Actually MKP won winter exhibition.

He's in the finals against hero and he got there by beating foreigners and Seed barely. Seed didn't even get through challenger qualifiers, and though I like marineking, he just hasn't looked very good in HOTS. That said, I think it could go either way, Golden is not bad.

+ Show Spoiler [finals results] +
no he actually won it, it's already been played out
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markrevival
Profile Joined January 2012
United States222 Posts
April 12 2013 07:18 GMT
#37
I once sat in a restaurant at the cosmopolitan and had lunch with these two teams. It's always something special to see them go at it. I say now what I said then, Maru all kill!
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
April 12 2013 08:01 GMT
#38
prime 4-0 st
mkp.................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Profile Joined May 2011
Switzerland82 Posts
April 12 2013 08:14 GMT
#39
Gona be difficult, but go Prime!!!

I still believe in MKP :D Please don't disappoint me again...
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Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
April 12 2013 08:44 GMT
#40
On April 12 2013 06:40 Dodgin wrote:
There will be no cord kicking this time, MKP.

:O

Prime fighting of course, but I'm skeptical
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SimoNostalgia
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States226 Posts
April 12 2013 09:15 GMT
#41
Stayed up for this one. Good LUCK both teams!
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Australia422 Posts
April 12 2013 10:02 GMT
#42
Anyone happen to know the name of the song between game 1 and game 2?
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Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33592 Posts
April 12 2013 11:49 GMT
#43
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Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
April 12 2013 12:13 GMT
#44
Good prediction
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United States2073 Posts
April 12 2013 12:57 GMT
#45
Life is OP
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Canada115 Posts
April 12 2013 13:52 GMT
#46
Startale wins 4-3 STLife wins the last 2 games^^
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Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
April 12 2013 16:15 GMT
#47
On April 12 2013 22:52 DeaDoXFighting wrote:
Startale wins 4-3 STLife wins the last 2 games^^

Nope
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