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[GSTL] Startale vs. LG-IM: Finals before Finals - Page 2
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Havik_
United States5585 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On October 27 2012 09:46 Fionn wrote: IM is the best collection of players in the world. Startale is the best team in the world. why? they have 0 team league gold medals actually I take that back, they have one from like January 2011. | ||
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Walnuts
United States770 Posts
On October 27 2012 09:07 DaPhoToss wrote: finale is so underrated lol. LG-IM 5-0 Yongwha all kill is my prediction. finale is on team MVP. Also, ST has this ezpz. | ||
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Walnuts
United States770 Posts
On October 27 2012 09:53 Dodgin wrote: why? they have 0 team league gold medals actually I take that back, they have one from like January 2011. Probably becuase they are only really getting into the swing of things now. Parting is looking as strong as ever, they have a new super ace in life, squirtle can still beat just about anyone, expecially in a Bo1 format, curious has shown some super good play (beating MC and Marineking last GSL) and Bomber can still take at least a couple games off of any team. | ||
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Atrbyg
United States513 Posts
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Sumahi
Guam5609 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On October 27 2012 09:57 Walnuts wrote: Probably becuase they are only really getting into the swing of things now. Parting is looking as strong as ever, they have a new super ace in life, squirtle can still beat just about anyone, expecially in a Bo1 format, curious has shown some super good play (beating MC and Marineking last GSL) and Bomber can still take at least a couple games off of any team. sure you can make a case for them having a lot of strong players but I fail to see how you make the distinction between " the best collection of players " and " the best team " when Startale is clearly not the best team in terms of achievements, IM went 3-0 in the IPTL group stages and Startale went 2-1, IM also beat Startale 5-2 in IPL TAC3. for every strong player on Startale IM has an equally strong player, they have more strong players even. Hell IM beat TSL in IPTL with only DreamerTT and True, the team has unmatched depth. Startale falls off a lot after their top 5 while IM does not, you can't field all their good players in one bo9 because they have too many. | ||
CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On October 27 2012 10:02 Dodgin wrote: sure you can make a case for them having a lot of strong players but I fail to see how you make the distinction between " the best collection of players " and " the best team " when Startale is clearly not the best team in terms of achievements, IM went 3-0 in the IPTL group stages and Startale went 2-1, IM also beat Startale 5-2 in IPL TAC3. for every strong player on Startale IM has an equally strong player, they have more strong players even. Hell IM beat TSL in IPTL with only DreamerTT and True, the team has unmatched depth. Startale falls off a lot after their top 5 while IM does not, you can't field all their good players in one bo9 because they have too many. That series meant zilch. TSL had nothing to fight for. | ||
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On October 27 2012 10:15 CosmicSpiral wrote: That series meant zilch. TSL had nothing to fight for. Ridiculous, they could have forfeited if they really didn't care, It's exposure for their players to an international audience. They used their best lineup besides Symbol who was likely preparing for GSL ro8 at the time. | ||
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Boiler Bandsman
United States391 Posts
On October 27 2012 10:20 Dodgin wrote: Ridiculous, they could have forfeited if they really didn't care, It's exposure for their players to an international audience. They used their best lineup besides Symbol who was likely preparing for GSL ro8 at the time. And Startale is on an entirely different level than TSL. And I don't see how you go down the lineup and don't see a one-for-one advantage for Startale until you get to 7 or 8 deep, ESPECIALLY without Nestea and MvP. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On October 27 2012 09:46 Fionn wrote: IM is the best collection of players in the world. Startale is the best team in the world. Going to have to expand on that one because I'm not following you. Even with IM going through that terribly disappointing patch in team league, at the end of the day they have 3 golds in all the team leagues they've participated in, including 1 from GSTL that they beat Startale to get. Startale has 1. IM has beaten them in their last 2 encounters as well. Overall results, they blow every team out of the water. It's not even close. Even in terms of more recent results, they've scored 2 consecutive championship wins this year. 1 of which was with their third race and someone who isn't Nestea/MVP, who rapidly rose from obscurity while on the team. The teams are tied in code S spots atm. ^ edit: my mistake Startale wins this with 5 to 4 (get it together Nestea...) IM has probably the best sponsorship of the ESF teams. Possibly the best coach (hard to defend him in team league though...). Has an award to back this up. I'd say their lineups on paper are about even at this point. Mainly through the recent acquisition of Life. All in all. I fail to see how Startale ends up the better team. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On October 27 2012 10:26 Boiler Bandsman wrote: And Startale is on an entirely different level than TSL. And I don't see how you go down the lineup and don't see a one-for-one advantage for Startale until you get to 7 or 8 deep, ESPECIALLY without Nestea and MvP. I would be perfectly fine with admitting Startale has a better 5 man lineup than IM without Mvp or Nestea, but Fionn said " IM has a better collection of players, but Startale is a better team " I'm just trying to understand this because to me it makes no sense whatsoever, they haven't earned the right to be called the best team in the world. Ok so let's do point by point Protoss: IM: MC, Yonghwa, First, Seed, Ready Startale: Squirtle, Parting, Ace, TREME, Avenge Terran: IM: Mvp, Yoda, Happy, dreamertt Startale: Bomber, Hack, Harrier, Sound, Sparta, Virus Zerg: IM: NesTea, Losira, True, Horror Startale: Life, Curious, Suhoshin So, personally I think IM has a stronger Protoss and Terran lineup, while Startale clearly has a better Zerg lineup. Top 5 of both teams are just about the same. IM's top 5 would be Yonghwa, Seed, Mvp, First/Losira, MC. Startale's would be Parting, Squirtle, Life, Hack/Bomber depending who is better that day and Curious. If the match were a bo15 instead of bo9 I think IM clearly has the better quality players although fewer players. Without Life on the team Startale wouldn't even have an edge over IM in the Zerg lineup, they are lucky they absorbed Zenex. ( not their own homegrown talent ) | ||
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yrt123
Singapore1246 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19379 Posts
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Dracolich70
Denmark3820 Posts
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
'slaying nerds left and right' :3 GO IM and YongHwa! | ||
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DavoS
United States4605 Posts
1. How Bomber and Happy do should they be played. 2. If StarTale can force YongHwa out early enough to snipe him. 3. What MC is able to accomplish. 4. If Life goes insane beast mode on every one of them, or if he gets too cheesy and gets exploited by someone patient like LosirA or Seed | ||
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power-overwhelming
Canada306 Posts
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
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