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[Code S Ro8] HerO vs Rain, Mvp vs Symbol

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[Code S Ro8] HerO vs Rain, Mvp vs Symbol

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October 3rd, 2012 00:45 GMT
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Code S Ro8: Rain vs. HerO Preview


By: Fionn

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(P)SKT_Rain vs. (P)Liquid`HerO

Entombed Valley - Abyssal City - Daybreak - Whirlwind - Antiga Shipyard


  • (P)SK_By.Rain

    Strengths
    – Improves every time he steps into the booth.
    – KeSPA practice regimen and mechanics.
    – The SC2 version of Bisu, but with better results in OSL.
    – Defeated PartinG soundly in the OSL, 3 - 1.


    Weaknesses
    – Statistically worst match-up is PvP.
    – Little experience in the deep stages of individual tournaments.
    – Might get jumped by his crazy fangirl while making his way to the studio.

    Ideal winning scenario: Is there really an ideal way to flip a coin?

    Craziest winning scenario: Crushes HerO 3 - 0, proves that his weakest match-up is still pretty strong, and continues to walk the Royal Road with an unimaginable amount of hype behind him.
  • (P)Liquid`HerO

    Strengths
    – More individual league experience than Rain, especially in the later rounds.
    – Undefeated against KeSPA players
    – Coming off a very strong PvP performance against Squirtle.
    – More colorful hair.

    Weaknesses
    – PvP has been his Achilles heel for much of his career.
    – Might get jumped by his crazy fangirl while making his way to the studio


    Ideal winning scenario: Is there really an ideal way to flip a coin?

    Craziest winning scenario: He destroys Rain 3 - 0, becomes the official anti-KeSPA hunter, and shows up to the next game with a blinged out ivory mousepad.


Rain: The Legend in the Making

Coming into the Brood War scene in the 2010-2011 season, Rain made a statement that he would be the future of Brood War. Getting a 9-4 record as a rookie, an incredible feat for a total newcomer in the shark infested waters of Proleague, won the coveted Rookie of the Year award. Playing behind arguably one of the greatest Protoss in BW history, Bisu, and another top Protoss in his own right in Best, Rain was destined for greatness from the beginning with two of the elite helping him along the way.

While Rain never made a splash in singles competition like Bisu or Best, he was a key part of SKT when it came to the Proleague playoffs. In his rookie season, even though his team wasn't able to take down Flash in the ace match, Rain was able to defeat KT's top Zerg in Action and give his team a vital ponit. The year following, with the score tied 2 - 2 against KT in another final, Rain stepped up in the clutch again for his team and beat KT's top Protoss, Stats, setting up Bisu to come in the ace match and finally take down Flash to give his team the last Brood War Proleague championship.

With Brood War closing its doors and transitioning into a horrible half-half Frankenstein's monster Proleague, Rain never fully developed in Brood War like he could have with another year of full training. However, as one door of opportunity seemed to close, another one opened up. Transitioning into SC2, the word from SK Telecom was that Rain was the first player to really grasp the game and understand it. This showed throughout the season, with T1 sticking with Rain as their ace during the regular season and letting him take the ace role as well. With Fantasy still focusing on Brood War with his deep run in OSL, and Bisu having considerable trouble transitioning from Brood War Protoss to SC2 Protoss, Rain's stellar SC2 skills helped his team to playoffs.

Breaking into singles competition, Rain qualified for the three major Korean leagues: WCS, OSL and GSL. Getting a top sixth finish in WCS Korea was the first time people saw that not only could Rain dominate his brethren in KeSPA, but kick ass against the rest of the world as well. Losing to Curious in the first round 2-0, he came roaring back in the losers bracket with wins over horror, Leenock, Jaedong and then finally a revenge victory against Curious, showcasing his strong talents against Zerg. He did lose 2-1 to the eventual champion Creator in the Ro6, but he proved with his comeback victory against Curious he could improve by leaps and bounds in just two weeks.

In GSL and OSL, he only continued to confirm that he was KeSPA's best. Getting put in the group of death in OSL, he went 3-0, getting 1st in his group with a win over Jangbi, MarineKing, and DongRaeGu, putting himself in the quarterfinals where he would beat Parting 3-1 to make the semifinals. In the GSL, he did lose to Happy in his Ro32 group, but was able to get out of the group with four wins and zero losses to Byun, the semifinalist from the season before who was heralded for his TvP play.

The biggest wins in his SC2 career came two weeks ago, being put into the group of death in the Ro16 where he went up against two GSL champions in DongRaeGu and Polt, and the newly proclaimed best player in the world, Taeja. He did what people thought was impossible against Taeja, running him over 2-0 and showcasing his self-proclaimed "weak" PvT. With a handy dandy 4-Gate against Polt and another solid macro win, he got through the group of death with a 4-1 record received a spot in the quarter-finals.

Jaedong wasn't able to make it far in GSL, losing three straight games and falling to Code B. Flash, while getting to the second round of Code A, still had to go three maps against Killer, a player in exile on team MVP to regain his deteriorated skills. Bisu, the player that Rain looked up to when first starting out in SKT, is finally starting to do well in SC2 (10-2 currently in MLG's MvP tournament), but still has a way to go before living up to his Brood War reputation. Right now, Rain is in a position to solidify himself as not only the first great KeSPA SC2 player, but put himself in the history books in a very special way.

Winning GSL would make him the first royal roader in the tournament's history, taking the first major championship for a KeSPA player in a SC2 event when people thought it would take far longer for them to overtake Code S. Winning OSL would make him the first champion in hopefully a long line of SC2 OSL tournaments. Winning both? That would make him a legend. Flash winning MSL and OSL in back-to-back weeks was what took him from being a top five player, to the greatest player of all time.

No, winning both competitions wouldn't put him Flash territory, but it would make him a legend just like Mvp with his four GSL titles. When people talk about KeSPA, they talk about how they're catching up or surpassing the rest of the world because of how well Rain is playing. Truthfully, Rain is not just an ordinary player that represents his faction. Just like how every player on the GomTV side isn't Mvp. Rain is something special that is evolving in front of our eyes with good mentors on SKT, natural talent, and determination that made him rookie of the year two years ago.

This rookie is no longer in anyone's shadow. With a few more victories, he'll be the one casting a shadow over the entire Starcraft 2 world.


Hero: The KeSPA Slayer

Three words to describe Hero: Passion, Creativity, Emotions.

You might not find a more creative Protoss in the world, but you also won't find a more emotional one, either. Starting back from when he was first used by oGs in his GSTL debut, Hero has always played games where he shows the talent of a champion, but he has never realized his potential like he is doing now. He did win Dreamhack Winter last year, beating his EG-Korean rival Puma to take the crown, but since then hasn't had much luck when it comes to titles. Getting to the semifinals only two short seasons ago, Hero is ready to get back there and get to his first finals.

The pressure is never off Hero due to his team and popularity, but it has been lightened since Taeja joined the squad. Since Taeja became a member of Liquid, he taken the attention away from everyone else, for better or for worse. He gets all the praise as the team's ace in team league competitions and is being called the best player in the world due to his foreign dominance. It could make one a bit envious to see a new teammate overtake you as the head of a team, but on the other hand, maybe it's good to unload some of the pressure. Whatever the case, HerO's is showing his best games ever in this GSL Season.

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Survey Results
Already having beaten top players like Squirtle and Symbol this season, Hero is showing greater strength in his always reliable PvZ, and has done much better in the match-up that has caused him so much stress over the last year: the coin-flip known as PvP. He did lose to Leenock in a series that sparked a gigantic debate on balance, vortexes and late game compositions in the PvZ match-up, but he is still is one of the deadliest players against Zerg in the world.

People want to believe Hero can win this season, and he got 2nd place in a community survey for who fans want to see win the title, but he got last place in voting for the quarterfinalist with the best realistic shot of winning. The road isn't easy, having to play KeSPA's Rain in the first round, followed by a date with Mvp or Symbol in the semifinals, but it's not impossible. Rain, who might be so humble that it it almost seems like cockiness somehow, thinks his PvP is a weak match-up, but that didn't prove to be too much of a problem when he beat PartinG 3 - 1 in the OSL.

Hero did beat Squirtle 2-0, getting some sweet revenge for the 0-3 loss to him in the Season 2 semifinals, so if he can beat the GSL's statistically best PvP player, no mountain should be too high for HerO to climb. If he can get by Rain, Symbol and Mvp are players that Hero has beaten before and can beat again if he gets a chance.

While Hero's problems with nervousness are well known, and a constant topic every time he plays, he actually hasn't suffered from any of those "vs. KeSPA" nerves that have overcome many a GomTV player. He got put up against Effort and Reality in WCS Korea, beat both quite easily, and advanced through to the Ro8 where he was supposed to take on Rain. Already having committed to an MLG, Hero had to drop out of the tournament after getting his WCS Asia seed, and never got to have his fateful match against the King of Elephants to-be.

Now, they will finally meet on an even grander stage. A win for Hero would not only give him his second semifinal appearance and confirm him as a top five Protoss in the world, but would stomp down on the incredible hype Rain has brewed up for his KeSPA side. He might be prone to nervousness, overly emotional when he loses, and the weakest player in the public eye, but he might be the GomTV HerO that finally puts rain down. This is not the same Hero of two seasons ago that buckled at the knees when getting put up against Squirtle. He's focused, stronger than ever, and will not go down without a fight.

Overall thoughts and prediction:

So we have a fight between the kid who is on the same team as Bisu and probably learned a lot from him, and the guy who was known as Bisu Jr. when he made his debut for oGs a long time ago. Two seasons ago when Squirtle and Hero faced off, I gave no shot to Hero. I thought he was a very good player, but didn't think he had the confidence nor the talent to topple Squirtle at the top of his world-destroying game.

Now, Hero is better, stronger, and is not so much a lost cause when it comes to PvP. Rain has said his PvP and PvT are "weak" by his standards and that he gets lucky in broadcast games, which is scary considering he's played the best games in both those match-ups this Code S season. The vast majority of fans think Rain is going to run away with this one, but Hero deserves a lot more credit than he's getting. He's only lost one series this season against Leenock, and it can certainly be argued that he was the better player in that series.

It's hard to bet against Rain and the flood of KeSPA hype is causing all around the world, but Hero is not a player you can overlook. I expect a Rain victory, but if Hero can bring his A-game like he did against Squirtle, there's no reason why Hero can't keep up his elephant slaying business.

Rain 3 - 2 Hero


Code S Ro8: Mvp. vs Symbol Preview


By: Waxangel

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(T)LG-IM_Mvp vs. (Z)TSL_Symbol

Daybreak - Ohana - Whirlwind - Abyssal City - Antiga Shipyard


  • (T)LG-IM_Mvp

    Strengths
    – Is Mvp.
    – Uncanny ability to win games regardless of how his current form appears.
    – The most experienced and successful player in high stakes situations.
    – Codified the most popular way to play TvZ mech.

    Weaknesses
    – Occasional shaky games leave room for doubt.
    – Neck pain limits his practice time severely.




    Ideal winning scenario: Brings out Mvp-mech version 2.0 and crushes a poor Symbol who thought he was actually prepared.

    Craziest winning scenario: Overpowers Symbol with straight up marine-tank, showing micro, macro, and multi-tasking that make this entire 'injury' thing seem like a ruse.
  • (Z)TSL_Symbol

    Strengths
    – Top to bottom, the most complete Zerg player around.
    – Skilled at managing super-late game hive armies.
    – Playing against LG-IM players brings out the best in him.


    Weaknesses
    – Yet to redeem himself for his huge choke in last season's Ro8.
    – Not as impressive in season four compared to his initial rise in season three.
    – Was it really a good idea to get on Mvp's bad side?

    Ideal winning scenario: Reads Mvp like a book, dissects his mech style completely, makes him his fourth LG-IM victim of the season.

    Craziest winning scenario: Fully dispels his reputation as a choker by going down 0 - 2, and coming back in three straight games to take the series.


The PatchZerg

As with all other PatchZergs, you could argue that Symbol was a rising prospect who would have made it without the queen patch. But with so many other Zergs coincidentally hitting a good patch of form together, after May of 2012, it feels like a pointless exercise to sift through all of them to verify those claims.

Instead, let's just say that when Symbol burst out on the scene in the early summer of 2012, he played so incredibly well that PatchZerg started to lose its negative connotations. He used Zerg's new-found early game strength to give himself enormous economic leads, yet always knew precisely when he was getting too greedy and could fend off attacks with ease. He made mid-game aggression from Terrans look utterly foolish, swarming over his opponents' armies with a glut of lair units. But what else were they supposed to do? If the game went late, they'd only meet a much more grizzly fate. Symbol showed a mastery over the combined hive-stage army that had never been seen before. He used every single component of the Zerg swarm like a separate, precise tool – not slopped all together into a haggard mess supported by ugly fungal growths. If Symbol was what being PatchZerg was about, then who didn't want to be a PatchZerg?

While some rushed to welcome in their new Zerg overlords, things ended up going another way. Terran and Protoss buckled and bent, but they did not break. They adjusted their games to the new world, and made sure it was one where all three races had a fighting chance. Symbol himself was defeated in the quarter-finals of Code S Season Three, falling 2 – 3 to eventual champion Seed in one of the most calamitous collapses in recent memory. Suffering a massive mental meltdown, Symbol has only recent collected himself and gotten back on track. It might have been the summer of the PatchZerg, but as we head into autumn, Symbol is in more or less the same spot he was months ago: a great Zerg player who still has a lot to prove.

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Survey Results
The Greatest

With every new star that arrives on the scene, every new set of jaw-dropping skills that are showcased in the GSL, Mvp looks that much more dated. Even during his prime in 2011, you could see players who multi-tasked more, had better micro, and were just straight up faster. Luckily for Mvp, they weren't ahead by much, and he vastly surpassed them in every other area. By 2012, Mvp had already fallen far from the summit. In Code S Season Two, where Mvp won his record fourth GSL championship, Mvp was the underdog the entire way. Every match seemed to tax him, and he pretty much limped his way to the finish line, taking out Squirtle's knees in the last few meters ensure his own first place finish. With the arrival of TaeJa and Flash in 2012, and god knows who else is behind them, it seems inevitable that we're going to learn what the shelf life on Mvp's relevance is.

Yet, the more Mvp struggles, the harder it becomes for him to win a simple best of three series, there's a part of him that becomes even scarier. He is being eclipsed in all the areas we can analyze and measure; speed, macro, micro, mechanics, multi-tasking. It's what we don't know that's scary.

He's a player who should be losing, but he's winning championships instead. Not even pro-gamers seem to fully understand, which might seem surprising, until you think about how few of them can say they're pro-gamers like Mvp? Whatever it is, whatever you want to call it, this "knowing how to win" – even among pro-gamers only a select few really possess and understand this quality. If it sounds a bit like magic, then you're not mistaken. For the general populace who are not Mvp, there's no real difference. We don't understand it, but it has to exist. What else makes PartinG crumble at the feet of the simplest Terran attacks? What else makes Squirtle stop a 11/11 rax perfectly, then surrender the victory on a silver platter?

Mvp regularly has to go up against the best players in the world, and it's probably tough to find practice opponents of their qualifier. But for all the guys who go up against Mvp, you can guarantee that they've never faced anything like him.

The Breakdown

Let it be known that Symbol probably should beat Mvp. Even though Symbol isn't looking as strong as he was during the height of the PatchZerg wave in early summer, he has come back with a vengeance in GSL Season Four. He's 8 - 2 in his last ten ZvT games, and the only real knock on him is that he's not crushing people into as fine a powder as he was before. As Korean Zergs go through an unnatural funk, Symbol has stayed the course and restablished his credentials as an elite Zerg by surviving while others fall around him.

Of course, this is Mvp playing, so what 'should' happen might not matter at all. Seed, a player who shows endless deference and veneration toward Mvp, was able to trigger an epic collapse in Symbol last season. It's frightening to imagine what could happen when Symbol meets the master in Mvp. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see the word "thrown" (and its many variants) scrawled over the live report threads and Twitter after the game.

The other thing you have to mention about Mvp going into this TvZ series is how he recently made every Zerg's life miserable by codifying the ideal way to play mech TvZ at IEM Cologne in August (a tournament with next-day replay releases, no less). People started imitating his build all around the world, and now hellion-banshee into double armory is pretty much a new standard in the TvZ repertoire. It's become so common at this point that it's not a big edge for Mvp, since Symbol will have played against it a few thousand times on the ladder. Still, Mvp is the master, and you have to believe he knows the hidden nuances of this new trend better than anyone. The other thing to consider is that Mvp actually IS smart enough to come up with meta-game shifting ideas when he's bored, if not in the middle of the game (not-mutually exclusive). That, too, is something Symbol won't be able to prepare for.

Prediction

Did you really have to ask?

Mvp 3 - 1 Symbol




Writers: Fionn and Waxangel.
Survey and Data Collection: Fionn.
Serfs: Opterown and Salle
Graphics and Art: Meko.
Editors: Waxangel.
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xAdra
Profile Joined July 2012
Singapore1858 Posts
October 03 2012 00:51 GMT
#2
Go Rain!
Channel Pressure
Profile Joined July 2011
United States62 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 00:53:37
October 03 2012 00:53 GMT
#3
Itd be pretty wild if rain won the osl or whatever other tournament he is in and this one. That guy is a true pleasure to watch! A bit bittersweet if he beats hero though. Darn it cant they just both advance! Losing Squirtle was hard enough!
"A pastor I was listening to was talking about Job and referenced that his belongings had been burned down by marauders -- and heres where I blew it -- I immediately and arbitrarily replied aloud, "Were they stimmed?"
will216
Profile Joined August 2012
United States185 Posts
October 03 2012 00:55 GMT
#4
MvP and Rain ...
I'm not the greatest , but I will be one day ...
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
October 03 2012 00:55 GMT
#5
Let's go best ever GSL Ro8!

(Also, did Fionn chicken out on predictions again for anti-curse?)
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
redviper
Profile Joined May 2010
Pakistan2333 Posts
October 03 2012 00:59 GMT
#6
2nd last para should be triggered a collapse in symbol,not seed.

Also, There it's only one God and his name is mvp.

Go mvp!
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 01:03:31
October 03 2012 01:00 GMT
#7
Mvp to come up with brand new way to play mech, forever ruining TvZ for zergs, and HerO be the luckier of the two when flipping coins. Also, Rain will go all Flying on us and clump all his collosi up giving HerO the win. Let's do this!

Loved the write up. Awesome stuff as usual. <3
Long live the King of Wings
Phobbers
Profile Joined May 2011
773 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 01:04:20
October 03 2012 01:01 GMT
#8
Lets go MVP~ I liked this a lot haha
Strengths
– Is Mvp.
EG/C9/ALL/TSM
will216
Profile Joined August 2012
United States185 Posts
October 03 2012 01:02 GMT
#9
On October 03 2012 09:59 redviper wrote:
2nd last para should be triggered a collapse in symbol,not seed.

Also, There it's only one God and his name is mvp.

Go mvp!

Word !!! Don't doubt a God !!!!
I'm not the greatest , but I will be one day ...
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
October 03 2012 01:03 GMT
#10
hey, where's opterown for graphics and art? haha

good read!
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Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
October 03 2012 01:03 GMT
#11
I absolutely refuse to go to class tomorrow morning. I can attend online so I'm doing that to catch most of this.
Refer to my post.
Draconicfire
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2562 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 01:07:40
October 03 2012 01:04 GMT
#12
God damn.

Most hype Ro8 ever. Gogo Rain!
@Drayxs | Drayxs.221 | Drayxs#1802
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
October 03 2012 01:05 GMT
#13
Hero 3-2. Symbol 3-0.
#TheOneTrueDong
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
October 03 2012 01:07 GMT
#14
The pvp should be close(hoping for a hero win though), still not sure if I want Mvp or symbol to win.
Moderatorlickypiddy
Patton3D
Profile Joined March 2011
United States65 Posts
October 03 2012 01:08 GMT
#15
Hero fighting!
You are never defeated until you admit it.
Tunnel
Profile Joined October 2011
United States9 Posts
October 03 2012 01:08 GMT
#16
HerO 3 -1, MVP 3-2
rkshox
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Taiwan536 Posts
October 03 2012 01:13 GMT
#17
He's not the HerO we deserve, but the HerO we need. HerO hwaiting!!!!! I have never woken up for a live broadcast of Code S, but this is pushing it!
@ranleee /// "first we expand, then we defense it'
JayVeeDee
Profile Joined June 2012
Faroe Islands25 Posts
October 03 2012 01:14 GMT
#18
HerO strengths.. "- More colorful hair" Yup all my bets go on him <3
DRG, Marineking & Stephano all the way :D!
dnld12
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States324 Posts
October 03 2012 01:15 GMT
#19
Hero will Kick the SH*ZA out of Rain. Go up to the finals, Rip off his shirt and Face down MVP!
When life gives you Stalkers, Get blink.
theseraph
Profile Joined September 2010
United States100 Posts
October 03 2012 01:17 GMT
#20
i can't even fathom the scores, thinking rain 3-1 and mvp 3-1 as well but i'm really feeling those two advancing.
Some motherfuckers always tryina skate uphill.
Doubting
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada981 Posts
October 03 2012 01:18 GMT
#21
HerO's hair > Rain
Life: The New Champion!!
Mackus
Profile Joined January 2011
England1681 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 01:21:12
October 03 2012 01:19 GMT
#22
Very insulting to call Symbol a patchzerg, this is the same guy before the patch who took runner-up in the MLG Spring Arena.
I'm pretty disappointed by the article to say that.
Vauld
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada73 Posts
October 03 2012 01:21 GMT
#23
MVP's got this. Only two more championships until he gets the first SC2 Golden Mouse!
xXFireandIceXx
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada4296 Posts
October 03 2012 01:25 GMT
#24
Aw man. I just don't think I can stand another Hero heartbreak T.T
kju
Profile Joined September 2010
6143 Posts
October 03 2012 01:25 GMT
#25
I'm so hyped for the ro8, probably can't sleep now after reading this beautiful preview :o
elagrion
Profile Joined April 2010
Ukraine422 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 01:33:22
October 03 2012 01:28 GMT
#26
– The SC2 version of Bisu, but with better results in OSL.

Wat?
I don't see how by.Rain is sc2 version of Bisu, and Rain actually needs to make it to the finals to claim that he have better OSL achievement.

Still, go Sun/Rain!
Everything is a remix.
Entirety
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
1423 Posts
October 03 2012 01:34 GMT
#27
Let's go Mvp! His games are always so entertaining to watch because he brings so much innovation to the game.

- Mass ghost vs. lategame zerg
- Mass BCs vs lategame protoss
- New style mech
- Lategame raven usage vs zerg
- I would say he basically pioneered the super standard Reactor Hellion into 3OC
- Used to play Marine/Tank vs protoss
- Sky Terran
- extensive BC usage vs terran lategame switch

Every time I watch a Mvp game, I literally have no idea what he's about to do. He's got the skill to outplay just about anyone in a straight up lategame, while he has the balls to do a sudden 2rax in game 7 of a GSL finals.
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Porcelina
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3249 Posts
October 03 2012 01:34 GMT
#28
I am reasonably sure I am not going to accost HerO in any way as he gets to the studio, removing one of his major weaknesses.

I cannot for the life of my remember being more hyped (and seeing it around me) about a round of eight. These are interesting times to live in.
GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
October 03 2012 01:35 GMT
#29
if mvp loses balance whine commences
Exya
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada54 Posts
October 03 2012 01:37 GMT
#30
mvp comes up with a medivac reaper metagame for TvZ!
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
October 03 2012 01:38 GMT
#31
On October 03 2012 10:34 Porcelina wrote:
I am reasonably sure I am not going to accost HerO in any way as he gets to the studio, removing one of his major weaknesses.

I cannot for the life of my remember being more hyped (and seeing it around me) about a round of eight. These are interesting times to live in.

That's very kind of you. I think that'll give HerO the edge, then.

And very much the same here. Definitely the most stacked ro8 in forever, so psyched. I kind of want to skip work tonight to make it back in time. :<
Long live the King of Wings
GoSuChicken
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany1726 Posts
October 03 2012 01:41 GMT
#32
Mvp is just fucking Mvp!
I love it :D
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
October 03 2012 01:46 GMT
#33
On October 03 2012 09:59 redviper wrote:
2nd last para should be triggered a collapse in symbol,not seed.

Also, There it's only one God and his name is mvp.

Go mvp!

I think you mean flash.

And I'm kind of conflicted on hero vs rain, I'm an unapologetic kespa (and bw) elitist, but hero is on liquid, my favorite foreign team. Ahh well fionn picked rain, so hero has this. I'm thinking symbol can take mvp, but the original elephant is still pretty tough to beat. I'll root for hero mvp, but despite fionn i thin rain and mvp will advance.
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Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
October 03 2012 01:49 GMT
#34
HerO is more experienced in flipping coins or will just do some sleight of hand to make the coins disappear!! Either way this set swings, I think it goes 3-2.

Symbol has looked quite strong recently, but MVP.
3-1 MVP
mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
October 03 2012 01:59 GMT
#35
MVP for 5 GSL championships!!!! Show them who the master is!!
Long live the Boss Toss!
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
October 03 2012 01:59 GMT
#36
Hoping for MVP and HerO, though Rain is improving so fast it's insane. And Symbol does not suffer from the MVP fear.
Going to be exciting.
Wounded31
Profile Joined October 2011
124 Posts
October 03 2012 02:02 GMT
#37
go HERO!
MKP!
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
October 03 2012 02:02 GMT
#38
Mvp:
Strengths-
-Is Mvp.

Aye.

Mvp 3-2, HerO 3-0
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Luepert
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1933 Posts
October 03 2012 02:05 GMT
#39
On October 03 2012 10:35 GreyKnight wrote:
if mvp loses balance whine commences


If MVP wins, halt all terran buffs, possibly more terran nerfs.
esports
JackReacher
Profile Joined September 2012
United States197 Posts
October 03 2012 02:16 GMT
#40
Rain will roflstomp this tournament. He is an unbeatable monster of Protoss skill and fury.
MeteorRise
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada611 Posts
October 03 2012 02:16 GMT
#41
I remember when rain was tearing up proleague and I was like "YEAH THATS MY BOY!" And now hes become such a scary beast. So proud. Hope he takes it. I like hero alot too, but there can only be one.
Elegance, in all things.
CCa1ss1e
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3231 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 02:22:43
October 03 2012 02:22 GMT
#42
damn.. really want to watch here onwards.. have to settle with GSTL.. hehe.

XD
~ The Ultimate Weapon
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
October 03 2012 02:29 GMT
#43
MVP will win. I don't know how, but he'll find a way.
Winners keep winning.
¯\_(シ)_/¯
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5217 Posts
October 03 2012 02:30 GMT
#44
I see Symbol taking apart MVP 3-0 or 3-1. However, I my magic 8 ball can't predict PvP, but I really want Hero to win.
Femari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2900 Posts
October 03 2012 02:41 GMT
#45
Strengths
– Is Mvp.

Sounds about right.

Go Rain and Mvp!
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tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
October 03 2012 02:41 GMT
#46
Never doubt heart of the champion lol
Balgrog
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1221 Posts
October 03 2012 02:48 GMT
#47
HerO and MVP will be taking both of these games. HerO has MUCH more experience in going deep in tournaments, and has more SC2 experience in general. And despite what this article says, I really enjoy his PvP and think he does a fantastic job, if anything his achilles heel is the fact that he over thinks things, and if he see's a greedy play, just do a fucking 4 gate (not actually, but an example to get the point across because all PvP builds now a days are *should* be 4gate proof) and finish it instead of doing some cool new tricky play or what not.
The only way to attack structure is with chaos.
holladoub
Profile Joined July 2012
Canada32 Posts
October 03 2012 02:50 GMT
#48
Either taeja or rain have to win in order for this season to be good for me, with creator and naniwa not in the picture
naniwa fighting
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
October 03 2012 02:51 GMT
#49
For everyone who saw that the MVP vs Symbol predictions were not written by Porcelina, or Stuchiu, or Fionn, but by "Teamliquid Writers", do not let yourself get tricked. Waxangel wrote that article (if you look carefully at the list of writers at the bottom of the page, there is only Fionn and Waxangel), and used TL Writers as his alias, to convince us that this was an unbiased article, instead of the article by the person who swore an oath never to bet against MVP.

Okay... I only think that because I want Symbol to win, but this conspiracy theory might be true.
Gorlin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2753 Posts
October 03 2012 02:53 GMT
#50
Let's fucking go Mvp!!!!!!
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33302 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 02:54:19
October 03 2012 02:53 GMT
#51
On October 03 2012 11:51 BrokenMirage wrote:
For everyone who saw that the MVP vs Symbol predictions were not written by Porcelina, or Stuchiu, or Fionn, but by "Teamliquid Writers", do not let yourself get tricked. Waxangel wrote that article (if you look carefully at the list of writers at the bottom of the page, there is only Fionn and Waxangel), and used TL Writers as his alias, to convince us that this was an unbiased article, instead of the article by the person who swore an oath never to bet against MVP.

Okay... I only think that because I want Symbol to win, but this conspiracy theory might be true.


it was actually a typo

but it's true, I'm not allowed to predict against Mvp in the GSL for some lengthy period
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Redolence
Profile Joined June 2012
United States5 Posts
October 03 2012 03:04 GMT
#52
No doubt this is going to be close, but I'm rooting for HerO all the way! I'm thinking 3-2 in close series full of micro battles! Got a 9am class but waking up really early to watch this!! Liquid fighting!
"Never give up, never surrender. There is always a HerO inside you."
quannguyen
Profile Joined January 2012
Vietnam1390 Posts
October 03 2012 03:13 GMT
#53
I will never root against HerO, ever. I like Rain a lot too, but HerO is still HerO.

3-2 for our Liquid boy, and 3-1 for king MVP ^^
Unlimited Warcraft Works and Super Starcraft Taisen ^^
prodigalsun
Profile Joined March 2011
United States85 Posts
October 03 2012 03:28 GMT
#54
3-1 Hero, 3-0 Symbol.
Popkiller
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3415 Posts
October 03 2012 03:34 GMT
#55
On October 03 2012 10:19 Mackus wrote:
Very insulting to call Symbol a patchzerg, this is the same guy before the patch who took runner-up in the MLG Spring Arena.
I'm pretty disappointed by the article to say that.


No, he didn't. Spring arena was post-patch. He was runner up at Iron Squid, though.
ffrozenfish
Profile Joined May 2011
820 Posts
October 03 2012 03:46 GMT
#56
LG-IMMvp 3-0 ezpz
Give us our snipe back - Ghost
MSMWoZZki
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada22 Posts
October 03 2012 03:47 GMT
#57
GO HerO!!! All Liquid GSL finals incoming! :D
"It's okay to have your own opinion, just don't be a dick about it. :)" - John "TotalBiscuit" Bain
IhateBunkers
Profile Joined December 2011
New Zealand78 Posts
October 03 2012 03:49 GMT
#58
This will be an epic round of 8 one of the best we have seen so far.Hoping that MVP and HerO advance but who knows what actually happens.

Great write up as always really enjoy reading these
Leenock------SuperNova------HerO------YongHwa
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
October 03 2012 04:01 GMT
#59
Sun 3-2.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
HououinKyouma
Profile Joined November 2011
Australia152 Posts
October 03 2012 04:06 GMT
#60
everybody should go spam good things on twitter @Liquid_HerO
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hnim
Profile Joined July 2011
United States86 Posts
October 03 2012 04:40 GMT
#61
I feel like Mvp's loss of mechanics and speed are exaggerated. If you saw the camera of him physically playing at HomeStory Cup when he was playing like shit he was still very fast.
Mvp fanboy
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
October 03 2012 04:47 GMT
#62
Damn, TL is looking so much more professional lately with charts and graphs. I'm liking it.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
October 03 2012 05:02 GMT
#63
MVP vs. Rain would be so. fucking. epic.

Royal Roader Kespa vs. 4-time champion GSL champion.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Kraidio
Profile Joined May 2011
China133 Posts
October 03 2012 05:03 GMT
#64
MVP...MVP...MVP! Here's hoping to a TvZ win for the ages!
A man does what he must — in spite of personal consequences, in spite of obstacles and dangers, and pressures — and that is the basis of all human morality.
fer
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada375 Posts
October 03 2012 05:03 GMT
#65
OMG MVP I LOVE OYU
WellPlayed.org <3
i.of.the.storm
Profile Joined April 2009
United States795 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 05:19:09
October 03 2012 05:16 GMT
#66
I should not have read this; I was planning on going to sleep early for once so I can wake up early but now I think I'm too hyped up not to stay up all night. I bought a yearly ticket so I could use VODs and sleep but I've yet to actually use them...

Anyway, hoping for Rain and MVP to win, although I hope Rain/HerO is close. Flash who? MVP is the real deal :D I really hope he doesn't hurt himself playing too much though, he needs to keep his body in shape so that he can dominate for years to come.
Maru - The Terran hope is alive!
mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
October 03 2012 05:18 GMT
#67
Mvp actually IS smart enough to come up with meta-game shifting ideas when he's bored, if not in the middle of the game (not-mutually exclusive)


fucking amazing wax
if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
blacksheepwall
Profile Joined June 2011
China1530 Posts
October 03 2012 05:44 GMT
#68
Great little preview. Still really enjoying the Strengths/Weaknesses and winning scenarios.

Hoping for Hero and Symbol but anticipating the opposite.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ // </3 Taeja
Adersick
Profile Joined July 2011
United States216 Posts
October 03 2012 06:24 GMT
#69
I'm ready to see HerO in the finals! He's been doing phenomenally recently and with his current track against Kespa players, I see good things in the future. The man is an inspiration, and a testament to hard work as he managed a great PvP against Squirtle, which is no easy feat, Rain has his work cut out for him.

Go! HerO fighting!
the_business_og
Profile Joined April 2012
United States167 Posts
October 03 2012 06:40 GMT
#70
sick nerd chills,goo hero and mvp! there is something in the pit of my stomach telling me that mvp will not show up
shanti
Conut
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1026 Posts
October 03 2012 06:46 GMT
#71
this is going to be a very good night! Code S has been insane, i have never stayed up so many late nights every week, i just am hooked as of now.
Sc2 always got your back
twsx
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland29 Posts
October 03 2012 07:03 GMT
#72
Wanting Hero and Symbol, predicting Rain and Mvp.
Me no likey.
Say what?
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11047 Posts
October 03 2012 07:20 GMT
#73
Cmon HerO Symbol Semis.
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
October 03 2012 07:20 GMT
#74
On October 03 2012 10:34 Porcelina wrote:
I am reasonably sure I am not going to accost HerO in any way as he gets to the studio, removing one of his major weaknesses.

I cannot for the life of my remember being more hyped (and seeing it around me) about a round of eight. These are interesting times to live in.

never knew you were a girl :o
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4705 Posts
October 03 2012 07:28 GMT
#75
I loved watching Rain in BW, too bad I haven't been able to see him in SC2 Wish I had been keeping up with this GSL.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
Mr_Z
Profile Joined June 2011
South Africa88 Posts
October 03 2012 07:45 GMT
#76
HerO the elephant slayer will prevail and MVP will be MVP and get to SF, here we go HerO here we go
Always last :(
HonorZ
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France858 Posts
October 03 2012 07:51 GMT
#77
Never bet against MVP !
"If you don't drop sweat today you'll drop tears tomorrow"
PresenceSc2
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4032 Posts
October 03 2012 08:05 GMT
#78
Hoping for HerO to get through
Stephano//HerO//TaeJa//Squirtle//Bomber
PresenceSc2
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4032 Posts
October 03 2012 08:06 GMT
#79
On October 03 2012 16:20 Sabu113 wrote:
Cmon HerO Symbol Semis.

Would be sick!
Stephano//HerO//TaeJa//Squirtle//Bomber
SorrowShine
Profile Joined October 2011
698 Posts
October 03 2012 08:23 GMT
#80
Rain should win. But pvp is always kind unpredictable.
And hoping for another 40 min games from symbol with 30 + Infestors
gulshngill
Profile Joined December 2010
Malaysia140 Posts
October 03 2012 08:28 GMT
#81
Rain and MVP!
FidoDido
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1292 Posts
October 03 2012 08:31 GMT
#82
Everytime Mvp wins a tournament, DK halts terran buffs or nerfs terran!
LGIMSeed FantasyToss~~ Hipster Seed fan before he made Code A
Jacmert
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada1709 Posts
October 03 2012 08:33 GMT
#83
Wow, great background write up on SKT's Rain! I didn't know he was relatively knew to the Brood War scene (2010). I don't think he falls under the classic "elephant" category/description, since he's not one of the old guard, elite Brood War legends. I see him more as an up and comer. Imagine if he'd started with SC2 in 2010 instead of breaking into the Brood War pro scene?

But from another angle, he does represent the strength of Kespa and Brood War, since he proved himself as a top-tier Brood War pro in his two years, it seems. Not a legend on the level of Bisu, Flash, etc., but good enough to share the same bench as them and even earn team wins alongside them.

In other words, I'm now an SKT Rain fan, but still... tonight must be HerO's night. Liquid HWAITING!
Plat Support Main #believe
shawty
Profile Joined June 2010
United Kingdom294 Posts
October 03 2012 08:43 GMT
#84
First time ever I have been torn between liquid and SKT :/
Creager
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1889 Posts
October 03 2012 08:52 GMT
#85
Go MvP, guide Terran to victory once again!
... einmal mit Profis spielen!
Rhedsa
Profile Joined July 2011
Costa Rica594 Posts
October 03 2012 08:54 GMT
#86
Nice prediction Fionn! GoGo HerO & Symbol!
Nightwishone
Profile Joined July 2012
Italy391 Posts
October 03 2012 09:10 GMT
#87
Gogogogogogogo HerO!!!!
TaeJa IS a bonjwa. TLO - Scarlett - Snute - MaNa - HerO - TeamLiquid fighting!
Spinoza
Profile Joined October 2010
667 Posts
October 03 2012 09:11 GMT
#88
It's hard to bet against Rain and the flood of KeSPA hype is causing all around the world, but Hero is not a player you can overlook.


Hype, all around the world, is causing a flood of KeSPA, making it hard to bet against Rain?
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Jacmert
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada1709 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 09:59:36
October 03 2012 09:58 GMT
#89
EDIT: Oops, not the live thread.
Plat Support Main #believe
SorrowShine
Profile Joined October 2011
698 Posts
October 03 2012 10:07 GMT
#90
its almost official Hero is out. 0-2. Rain is looking very solid
executorx
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany81 Posts
October 03 2012 10:34 GMT
#91
gogo MVP.
INnoVation > ALL!
SmtPersona
Profile Joined September 2012
Australia5 Posts
October 03 2012 10:38 GMT
#92
Sees hero's face at the end of his match with rain brought a tear to my eyes.
herMan
Profile Joined November 2010
Japan2053 Posts
October 03 2012 10:41 GMT
#93
"Craziest winning scenario: Crushes HerO 3 - 0, proves that his weakest match-up is still pretty strong, and continues to walk the Royal Road with an unimaginable amount of hype behind him."

Yeah, Artosis has that covered.
fer
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada375 Posts
October 03 2012 12:09 GMT
#94
Dat Waxangel prediction.
WellPlayed.org <3
Madars
Profile Joined December 2011
Latvia166 Posts
October 03 2012 13:01 GMT
#95
Quote: "I wouldn't be surprised at all to see the word "thrown" (and its many variants) scrawled over the live report threads and Twitter after the game."
What is "the word"?
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renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
October 03 2012 13:43 GMT
#96
well you predicted MVP v Symbol perfectly D:
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19223 Posts
October 03 2012 14:14 GMT
#97
Best preview write up to date. Thanks for citing all the BW knowledge. Makes me feel at home <3
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BaconofWar
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States369 Posts
October 03 2012 15:31 GMT
#98
Can we stop calling Rain an elephant? The elephant in the room argument was that the SC2 players wouldn't be able to hold up to the BW legends, and that because they weren't very good at BW, the competition was pathetic. Players like Flash, Jaedong and Bisu are elephants, Rain and Roro are not. Rain and Roro never achieved the championship wins or the same heights of Flash and Jaedong. They essentially are the MVP of the game, people who were just good in BW but end up being brilliantly intelligent in SC2. They aren't elephants because their BW win records weren't that incredible already. Just because a player is KeSPA doesn't mean that he is an elephant.
Well, C9 is the best right now
mcdoobyland
Profile Joined June 2012
United States18 Posts
October 03 2012 15:47 GMT
#99
so who won?
HaniStream
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada50 Posts
October 03 2012 15:47 GMT
#100
Such bullshit!! I forgot to go to school because I like reading these articles too much
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 15:58:51
October 03 2012 15:55 GMT
#101
On October 03 2012 18:11 Spinoza wrote:
Show nested quote +
It's hard to bet against Rain and the flood of KeSPA hype is causing all around the world, but Hero is not a player you can overlook.


Hype, all around the world, is causing a flood of KeSPA, making it hard to bet against Rain?


The forecast for this OSL is rather stormy either way.

+ Show Spoiler +

Rain 3-0 Hero
MVP 3-1 Symbol


Why does Liquibet still list Rain as Sun? It made me think of the wrong guy. >_>
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
October 03 2012 16:39 GMT
#102
On October 04 2012 00:47 mcdoobyland wrote:
so who won?


+ Show Spoiler +

By.Rain vs. HerO
[image loading] By.Rain <Entombed Valley> [image loading] HerO
[image loading] By.Rain <Abyssal City> [image loading] HerO
[image loading] By.Rain <Daybreak> [image loading] HerO
[image loading] By.Rain <Whirlwind> [image loading] HerO
[image loading] By.Rain <Antiga Shipyard> [image loading] HerO


[image loading] By.Rain wins 3-0!



Mvp vs. Symbol
[image loading] Mvp <Abyssal City> [image loading] Symbol
[image loading] Mvp <Daybreak> [image loading] Symbol
[image loading] Mvp <Antiga Shipyard> [image loading] Symbol
[image loading] Mvp <Ohana > [image loading] Symbol
[image loading] Mvp <Entombed Valley> [image loading] Symbol

[image loading] Mvp wins 3-1!



In the future look in the Starcraft 2 Tournaments section for the Live Report thread to find the results, or check Liquipedia.
vorxaw
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada245 Posts
October 03 2012 17:18 GMT
#103
Damn, i call hax on these predictions
shadowy
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Bulgaria305 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 17:23:05
October 03 2012 17:22 GMT
#104
Let it be Hero and MVP.
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MasterKang
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1373 Posts
October 03 2012 20:38 GMT
#105
I guess the craziest winning scenario for rain wasn't so crazy after all
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