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Enzymatic
Canada1301 Posts
When you're playing at that level, for that much money.. You play to win folks; simple as that. Besides, for a PvP finals, I'd rather see a series of games consisting of some innovative 1-basing as opposed to 20-30 Minute games consisting of mass turtling and the inevitable "final battle" colossus war which is pretty much always decided by who has the better unit spread and greater colossus count. (as opposed to who macros better, etc). | ||
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Mazer
Canada1086 Posts
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TheCupholder
Canada58 Posts
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Nirel
Israel1526 Posts
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Havik_
United States5585 Posts
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jeri
Germany335 Posts
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Jaegeru
United Kingdom676 Posts
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wwowz
Canada156 Posts
1) PvP 2) MC was really greedy/careless 3) Seed outplayed MC in many ways Warp prism 4gate is really risky build and yet Seed used it twice in a row knowing that MC would prefer macro game PvP. He analyzed MC properly and it worked for him. No need to bash him for "not entertaining" the crowd. He did. He showed amazing tactics and thinking process. I think MC was bit too confident with himself and played carelessly, but he played awesome regardless. It wasn't as amazing as other finals but it was decent enough. Congrats to Seed! he deserves it XD | ||
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Cinim
Denmark866 Posts
On July 27 2012 22:55 Waxangel wrote: the sarcasm level is getting too deep, and there may be romanians reading, so yes, the tweet is real He never tweeted that, I have MC twitter. He wrote something in korean but it was very long texts, and perhabs it was in there, but then you kinda took something out of context I guess :s | ||
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Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
On July 28 2012 01:40 pak150 wrote: Oh wow, that one was so bad I forgot that it even happened  Actualy those games where alot closer then this, and atleast we did see more then 1 base play. | ||
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Mr.Faces
United States121 Posts
On July 28 2012 02:16 Enzymatic wrote: Seriously hoping some warnings/bans are dished out for these folks trashing on Seed for 1 basing/cheesing and bitching about PvP finals. When you're playing at that level, for that much money.. You play to win folks; simple as that. Besides, for a PvP finals, I'd rather see a series of games consisting of some innovative 1-basing as opposed to 20-30 Minute games consisting of mass turtling and the inevitable "final battle" colossus war which is pretty much always decided by who has the better unit spread and greater colossus count. (as opposed to who macros better, etc). Well said, well said. Listen to this man. | ||
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testthewest
Germany274 Posts
On July 28 2012 02:07 Maxtor wrote: One of the few, it appears, that actually enjoyed the series, quite happy since i called seed winning this before RO8. I'll admit pvp is not the most entertaining MU but for a PvP series it looked like the highest quality one can find. Congratulations to the champion, i really hope he maintains this exceptionally high level play and doesn't do a jjakji. I'm not so sure. It was build order wins and some mind games. I don't want to take anything away from your win, Seed, but as a viewer I saw 2x 4-gate warp prisms, that just won. Game 4 was some cheese from MC, that also just won, and Game 5 was mediocre, since there Seed was alsways ahead and won the final confrontation. | ||
Waxangel
United States33397 Posts
On July 28 2012 02:45 Cinim wrote: He never tweeted that, I have MC twitter. He wrote something in korean but it was very long texts, and perhabs it was in there, but then you kinda took something out of context I guess :s it was a translation D: though MC enjoys using english enough, so I get the confusion | ||
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Cinim
Denmark866 Posts
On July 28 2012 02:47 Waxangel wrote: it was a translation D: though MC enjoys using english enough, so I get the confusion I checked, and while translators aren't that great(I use nicetranslator, one of the better) it didn't come up with anything near the destroy thing you said he tweeted :s Maybe you did loose translation? he say something about wcg tommorw that he will come back then | ||
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Pocky52
United States463 Posts
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
I'm surprised at quite how poorly MC played here actually considering how handily he destroyed DRG the other week and how well he was doing on the way to the finals. He just got absolutely crushed by Seed. Completely out-microd and out-thought. I guess you could put it down to a bad day, but still a hugely disappointing performance from him. Delighted for Seed though. And as a Protoss absolutely no complaints about another championship and, perhaps more importantly, a second name on the roll of honour. | ||
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Waxangel
United States33397 Posts
On July 28 2012 02:50 Cinim wrote: I checked, and while translators aren't that great(I use nicetranslator, one of the better) it didn't come up with anything near the destroy thing you said he tweeted :s Maybe you did loose translation? he say something about wcg tommorw that he will come back then ...... would it kill you to take my word for it, you not reading Korean, google translate being awful, and me having done this thing for a really long time  ? | ||
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ElMeanYo
United States1032 Posts
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FroSt_sc
Finland21 Posts
Even so this was pretty big win for LG-IM too. | ||
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Cinim
Denmark866 Posts
On July 28 2012 02:54 Lightspeaker wrote: I like the PvP matchup, I liked these finals. The only real disappointment was that we didn't get to see a proper range of PvP play. Despite what some people say its more than just one-base all-ins and MC could have (and should have) been able to stay safe whilst protecting himself and expanding which would have demonstrated that. But he didn't, he played very sloppily and got rolled over. I'm surprised at quite how poorly MC played here actually considering how handily he destroyed DRG the other week and how well he was doing on the way to the finals. He just got absolutely crushed by Seed. Completely out-microd and out-thought. I guess you could put it down to a bad day, but still a hugely disappointing performance from him. Delighted for Seed though. And as a Protoss absolutely no complaints about another championship and, perhaps more importantly, a second name on the roll of honour. Saying he got outmicroed tbh, was quite wrong. I think he still microed better than seed(the lift into warpprism is quite easy actually, just means he know how to use his tools at his disposal, but easy to execute). He was just caught off guard, with an army, twice, designed to deffend at the ramp. Sentries in pvp really is bad, unlike other matchups. A sentry does decent dmg to marines, and also zerglings, while in PvP they are useless except for their abilities, since both zealot and stalker is very very strong against them. The first games with warp prism, really just an insanely small mistake, but costs you greatly - just as tastosis said btw, that build would only work vs a super human as MC, since he would build just enough, to hold off anything at his ramp. | ||
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