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IPL4 - Wanna bet on it?

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April 5th, 2012 12:37 GMT

Wanna bet on it?

What a shame! IPL4 is taking place in Las Vegas, yet there's no legal way to bet on eSports in the United States.

We believe that if you haven't run a victory lap around your neighborhood, or thrown a chair out your window in anger by the end of a tournament, you're watching eSports wrong. Thus, resident Teamliquidpro.com content manager Tree.hugger and I (the generally good-for-nothing Waxangel) took it upon ourselves to spice up the occasion, and create some of our own bets to keep things interesting. The stakes? Whatever makes us not look like degenerate gamblers in your eyes.

Also, look forward to our Power Rank: IPL4 Edition! later in the day (hi HuK!).


The way it's played.

The first person states the bet. Then the second person suggests the odds on the bet. Finally, the first person chooses which side of the odds to take, and explains his reasoning.

Real example from IEM Guangzhou:

Wax: IdrA will die to a Protoss deathball on Shakuras Plateau at any point during the tournament.
Tree.hugger: Okay, 30 to 1?
Wax: I'm taking the one. I would even have done it at 20 to 1, maybe even 10 to 1. Have you seen his stream lately?


*IdrA would go on to lose to elfi's deathball on Shakuras Plateau.

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Totally unrelated photoshop by shiroiusagi that was just too awesome not to use.

Over/Unders

How about some silly, meta-tournament bets to start it off?

% of IPL4 viewers that will know that Copenhagen Games, The Gathering or Gamers Assembly are occurring on the same weekend – Over/Under 17.3%

Tree.hugger: We might've shot this bet in the foot after putting these three events on the frontpage, but seeing as how I had to remind Wax about these tournaments, I'm betting that the numbers of recognition still aren't so high. I picked the under (and Wax set the line) before we newsed them, and now I'd suggest that recognition is perhaps a little higher.

Tangent: From a spectator and esports fan's perspective, when you consider that Copenhagen Games and The Gathering were on the same weekend last year as well, you can't help but think that these two events really should have a talk and figure out some way not to overlap. The player pool for each event is quite intriguing, but combine the two and you have an actual competitor to IPL – an Assembly to your MLG so to speak.

At any rate, people should watch; there's nothing wrong with more Starcraft for your weekend, and two simultaneous battles between top European GM's should be well worth everyone's time.


# of announcements made by other major tournaments during the course of IPL4 – Over/Under 3.5

Waxangel: Cautiously, under.

MLG announced Columbus details during the IEM World Championship. DreamHack announced Stockholm Open during MLG Columbus. IPL announced full details for IPL4 during MLG Columbus. I know there's only so many weekends on which to announce things, but when people are announcing important details about their marquee tournament on TUESDAYS, you know that esports has become serious business. Not content to just schedule on top of each other, we're also passive-aggressively announcing things during other people's important events.

My prediction? 1~2 MLG announcements regarding Spring Arena, and another round of player announcements from NASL. I don't think MLG will really make three announcements during IPL4, so DreamHack will be the difference maker here.


# of times the LANbulance is called – Over/Under 4.5

Tree: I'll take the under here. Now, I can't remember a tournament in the history of SC2 without internet issues. That said, it's been a while since the internet issues were so crippling that they really brought down a lot of games and brought the anguished cries of the community down on Blizzard's head. Since they were burned by this kind of stuff last time (albeit, by a freak accident out of their control), you've gotta bet that IPL will be triple checking their connection throughout the event. So while the chance of there being some internet issues is nearly 100%, will it happen five or more times? I doubt it.


Alright, let's not get carried away. There does happen to be an actual Starcraft II tournament going on.


# of foreigners to make it out of the open bracket – Over/Under 2.5

Wax: Under. The best way to explain this is by making a comparison to MLG Winter Championship, because just like MLG, IPL4 will have a total of eight spots in pool play available to the top open bracket players.

  • MLG Columbus
    • Open Bracket participants: 216
    • Notable Koreans: 14
    • Notable Foreigners: 25
    • Foreigners with seed advantages: 8 (of the 25)
    • Foreigners that advanced: ThorZaIN (had seed advantage), KawaiiRice, Ostojiy.

  • IPL4
    • Open Bracket participants: 128 (–88)
    • Notable Koreans: 32 (+18)
    • Notable foreigners: 36 (+11)
    • Foreigners with seed advantages: None (–8)

Not only are there more Koreans competing in the open bracket at IPL4, but they are Koreans of a higher level as well. Relatively unproven players like Heart, Inori, Sleep, and Golden filled the ranks at MLG, while players like Mvp, Jjakji, and 14 members of GSTL final caliber rosters will be competing at IPL.

A lucky foreigner might get a combination of favorable match-ups and non-Korean opponents to make it through to pool play. With that kind of luck, he should probably just quit IPL4 and devote himself to gambling as the Cosmo.


Straight up Odds

A foreigner will finish in the top six – 10 to 1

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Did you ever imagine this would be the guy bearing your hopes and dreams?

Wax: Tempting, just enough that I'll bet on the foreigners at those odds. Or more accurately, I'll bet on Stephano at those odds. With the chances for a foreigner making it out of the open bracket being ridiculously small, this bet comes down to the players who already have group seeds, with Stephano having by far the best shot.

Stephano will have a tough time against MarineKing, but he'll be favored heavily against White-Ra. Depending on who gets into his group from the open, he could very well make it through. After all, he did happen to go 2-2 in a Blizzard Cup group with MC, DRG, Mvp and HerO, only to be eliminated on tie-breakers (and because MC lost a game against DRG on Crossfire that was totally meaningless to him – let's say NaNiwa's probe rush wasn't the only insensible thing about the Blizzard Cup).

Say Stephano makes it through to the Championship bracket, and faces Polt or aLive as his first opponent. Doesn't he have at worst, a 45% chance against those guys in a series? Stephano alone probably beats 10:1 odds.

Toss in whatever IdrA's chances are (grim, in a group with MMA and Bomber, but he did look good against Mvp and SuperNoVa lately), White-Ra's ability to conjure up incomprehensible wins, and long-shot foreigner chances from the open, and 10 to 1 is looking pretty good.


A GSTL player will win the tournament – 3 to 1

Tree: There was some debate about whether a "GSTL player" should include MKP and Bomber, both of whom would've been here anyway. I've decided that it should, because it makes this a more interesting bet. But I'm not buying it anyway.

In my view, MKP and Bomber are the only plausible chance for a GSTL player to win, as they begin in pool play. Given the IPL4 format, the advantage of being in the pools is simply too massive; open bracket players not only need to win a ton of games, but then they need to take top 2 in their pool to even make it to the championship bracket. It's certainly plausible that PartinG, Curious, July, Creator, or Maru would make it to the pools, but to go from there into the championship bracket is another huge step. And then winning the championship bracket itself? For a set of players that have never actually won anything; suggesting that they go home with the trophy is a massive leap of faith. I wouldn't take them at 3 to 1 even if they had started in pool play. That doesn't mean it's not possible; god knows I love PartinG, and Maru impressed the hell out of me in Code S. But I think the odds for a GSTL open player going all the way are a lot longer than this.

The question then, is what are MKP and Bomber's chances? Of the two, MKP is definitely the favorite, but I wouldn't make him so much of a favorite as Wax has here. Put MMA in MKP's position over the last two months, and he probably comes away with the same number of wins. Maybe Bomber does the same. The point is; even though MKP has been doing insanely well recently, this tournament is so tough that I don't see him as the obvious favorite. He could lose to any number of people here. So too, could Bomber.


The IPL4 winner will come from the open bracket – 2 to 3

Tree: I've already talked about my views on open bracket players like PartinG, Curious, and Maru. This bet adds a few other names to the pot; Jjakji, MVP, HerO, Oz, and TaeJa, for example. But my impression of the IPL format is not so good; it's even less forgiving than the already very tough MLG format. I'd love to see tournaments give open bracket players a better draw. Having a tournament like this gives such an absurd advantage to the players already seeded, that I don't think that open bracket players have a particularly good chance. So no, I'm not taking this.

That said, tough as it is, someone has to win, and we must end up with eight open bracket players in the pools. Once on even footing with the groups, you could make the argument that the open bracket has a stronger pool. Players like Jjakji especially could do serious damage in the later stages. But the fatigue of the opening rounds, the massive slant towards seeded players, and the fact that the pools actually are quite strong (we shouldn't overlook them) makes me feel that anyone starting in the open bracket has a very tough road,


IdrA will go 0 – 4 in his group – 1 to 3

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If I could throw in a picture of White-Ra somewhere, our trifecta of pandering would be complete.

Wax: How could we not make an IdrA related bet? Tough, but I actually think IdrA is being underrated here. Of course, there's no chance in hell that IdrA will beat MMA, who is the best TvZ player in the world by some stupid margin – forget whatever you've seen MKP do in recent weeks.

However, an IdrA > Bomber upset seems totally reasonable. IdrA's biggest, most impressive wins over Koreans in tournaments have mostly come against Terran opponents, such as Mvp, SuperNoVa, PuMa, etc. Bomber at his best would definitely be favored to win, but he's always been an incredibly inconsistent player, going from 5 – 0ing teams in the GSTL to dropping out of the GSL in the same week, and going from winning to MLG Raleigh to getting eliminated by IdrA in Orlando...

There's a number of beatable opponents that could float in from the open bracket as well. ZvZ can be pretty volatile, so you never know what might happen against a BBoongBBoongPrime or ST_Curious. All-in-all, 1 to 3 seems a bit harsh for IdrA to lose every single series.


Nestea makes it through his group – even odds

Tree: This is a really tough bet; I threw this out here because I have no idea how NesTea is playing at the moment, and I doubt anyone else has a better idea. NesTea looked to be on the down and out last year. Has he recovered? Who knows?

At 1:1 odds (50%), I won't take this one either. The chance of advancing from your group is 40%, and NesTea's group isn't the worst thing I've ever seen, but it's not a cupcake group either. TAiLS is an erratic Protoss with a huge upside, and aLive, his recent Code S gaff non-withstanding, is a deadly Terran. Moreover, the open bracket is so stacked, that it seems quite possible that NesTea will find even tougher competition in his group on the second day, which would be bad news bears for him.

That's the subtly of this bet, I don't really need to pin down NesTea's skill level exactly to know that he's (A) liable to get Code-S level opponents in his group and (B) the ones he has already are players with a ton of talent. Both of these points mean that NesTea isn't likely to stomp his opponents and advance without a fight. But just for fun, where does NesTea land today? Probably where we last left him; a strong player, but without the spark and inspiration that led him to victory so many times in the past.


A foreigner will defeat a GSL champion in a series at any point in the tournament – 15 to 1

Wax: Luckily for me, tree.hugger gave me these odds before the brackets came out. Here are the three most likely scenarios where a foreigner could upset a GSL champion.

  1. Stephano makes it out of his group, MMA, MC, Polt, or Nestea also manages to make it out of his group, they happen to be paired against each other in the championship bracket, and then on top of that, Stephano manages to win: Unlikely, but very high variance as everyone's progress out of group stage is highly dependent on who comes into their groups from the open.
  2. Jjakji and HuK stay undefeated until round four of the open bracket, with Sheth being the main obstacle for Jjakji, and Ryung the main one for HuK. HuK then scores the upset, despite Jjakji being some kind of super-mutant at TvP: Highly unlikely, but not impossible.
  3. Mvp and SaSe both make it to round three of the open bracket, and SaSe beats Mvp the three time GSL champ with an exploding wrist's in his worst match-up: The most likely of the three, but still not looking so great for SaSe.

Is the chance of at least one of these three happening less than 1/16? I don't think so. 15 to 1 is just too good, taken in a heartbeat.


And one last bet, just for fun.

Chance that a celebrity hookup puts ESPORTS into the mainstream – 45,000,000 to 1

Tree: Absolutely I'm taking this. There will be some handsome nerds in attendence, and of course, there's the untapped potential of the anonymous open bracket players to bolster the odds. As for the celebrities, well, there always should be some in Vegas. Now, the hook up is the relatively easy part, though not exactly high probability venture. Even if the hookup happens, there's a low chance that it becomes widespread knowledge on top of that. All that may be true, but I'm basing my analysis on the investigative, drama-mongering powers of TL and Reddit, which experience has shown to be quite formidable when roused. So keep your eyes peeled and cameras ready, attendees, as a little gossip might be esports' big break!






Writers: tree.hugger and Waxangel.
Graphics: Meko.
Photography and art: R1CH and shiroiusagi.
Editors: SirJolt and Waxangel.
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Bourneq
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Sweden800 Posts
April 05 2012 12:39 GMT
#2
Very nice write up thanks!
wichenks
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada153 Posts
April 05 2012 12:43 GMT
#3
Once again, an awesome post! Go Idra!
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Megabuster123
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada1837 Posts
April 05 2012 12:44 GMT
#4
Well, that was surprisingly entertaining.
Zvenn3n
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Sweden1196 Posts
April 05 2012 12:48 GMT
#5
I'm hoping for the Celebrity bet to work in tree's favor, provided that the celebrity isn't some wussy or attention-whore, but then again, a large majority of celebrities are that (Yes, I said it), it's kinda unlikely. But hey, go mainstream eSports!
Olinim
Profile Joined March 2011
4044 Posts
April 05 2012 12:50 GMT
#6
Can't wait for IPL 4 :DD.
zul
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany5427 Posts
April 05 2012 12:50 GMT
#7
nice conversation. had to smile at the IdrA-part
keep it deep! @zulison
fcgog
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom876 Posts
April 05 2012 12:53 GMT
#8
wanted a power ranking damm
Lumi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1612 Posts
April 05 2012 13:06 GMT
#9
Though I agree with how Nestea's play and relationship with the game have gone in recent, I think he's being underplayed in that bet! Everything else sounding pretty good. Nice write-ups here at TL as always.
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rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
April 05 2012 13:06 GMT
#10
what are the odds for the over/under items 1:1?

Thanks for the writeup, I think Wax has the advantage here mainly because I think Tree's odds are bit off for the SC2 related ones. I can't wait to see how these turn out. Best of luck to you both
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GrapeApe
Profile Joined March 2011
1053 Posts
April 05 2012 13:10 GMT
#11
www.esbl.co

Best betting!

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DOUDOU
Profile Joined October 2011
Wales2940 Posts
April 05 2012 13:11 GMT
#12
so disapointed

i hoped for a liquibet-like feature to make a contest amongst TL users
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Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
April 05 2012 13:24 GMT
#13
I don't think Nestea will ever do well in these one-weekend tournaments. I predicted him to bomb out of pretty much every event since MLG (Global Invitational), and he's proven me right every time so far.

He just isn't a type of player that can sit down and run the gauntlet of randomized opponents all the way to take the championship. That said, he's seeded in a group this time and groups were known for some time so he should at least come prepared for the two opponents he knew he'd have to play.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
April 05 2012 13:37 GMT
#14
On April 05 2012 22:24 Talin wrote:
I don't think Nestea will ever do well in these one-weekend tournaments. I predicted him to bomb out of pretty much every event since MLG (Global Invitational), and he's proven me right every time so far.

He just isn't a type of player that can sit down and run the gauntlet of randomized opponents all the way to take the championship. That said, he's seeded in a group this time and groups were known for some time so he should at least come prepared for the two opponents he knew he'd have to play.


He's been at Providence and the Winter Arena. Amazing sample size!

It's more likely that it's sleep deprivation at these foreign tournaments(to which he's complained about in the past) than a gauntlet environment. The MLG qualifier had a similar setup and he ran right through that (albeit online, but even so, that only increases the volatility). The article gives a fair assessment of Nestea, however, because frankly, the guy barely participates in anything outside the gsl. So his expected performance is really up in the air.
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United States18282 Posts
April 05 2012 13:38 GMT
#15
Can't wait for the weekend!
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United States691 Posts
April 05 2012 13:41 GMT
#16
So sick in vegas with amazing players. I'm excited to see IPL's production
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Sweden160 Posts
April 05 2012 13:47 GMT
#17
Sick, cant wait for this weekend.
habeck
Profile Joined February 2011
1120 Posts
April 05 2012 13:56 GMT
#18
I want to bet my money on MMA, sad that i can't do it
vanhio
Profile Joined November 2010
Niue1017 Posts
April 05 2012 13:59 GMT
#19
I like the Idra bet
Synwave
Profile Joined July 2009
United States2803 Posts
April 05 2012 14:08 GMT
#20
Miley Cyrus comes to Vegas to relax with friends and meets Huk...its gonna happen! Bet taken!

Fun write up and oddly interesting mental excersizes for pondering the betting and odds, very cool
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
April 05 2012 14:10 GMT
#21
% of IPL4 viewers that will know that Copenhagen Games, The Gathering or Gamers Assembly are occurring on the same weekend – Over/Under 17.3%

Under.

# of announcements made by other major tournaments during the course of IPL4 – Over/Under 3.5


over. GSL can make announcements too and this is the perfect stage to announce to their forgein audience

# of times the LANbulance is called – Over/Under 4.5

By who? If 1 player drops it immediately goes into the over. I'll take the safe bet of the over

# of foreigners to make it out of the open bracket – Over/Under 2.5

Under. The over/under under should be at .5

A foreigner will finish in the top six – 10 to 1

Stephano hasn't looked his unbeatable self. Idra has an impossible group and wont get any breaks. No foreigners in the top 6.

A GSTL player will win the tournament – 3 to 1

I'll take this any day of the week.

The IPL4 winner will come from the open bracket – 2 to 3

I would take this bet too. So many koreans that can make this their breakout tourny

IdrA will go 0 – 4 in his group – 1 to 3

I would take idra not going 0-4, I think he is learning to adapt his play better.

Nestea makes it through his group – even odds


No. I don't think Nestea plays well at forgien events, and I don't think he will get out of his group.

A foreigner will defeat a GSL champion in a series at any point in the tournament – 15 to 1


Yeah. I'll take this. MVP and Nestea both look beatable. Jjakji could also get upset.

Chance that a celebrity hookup puts ESPORTS into the mainstream – 45,000,000 to 1

Sure. I'll bet a dollar to win 45 million. I don't care what the bet is.
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S2Lunar
Profile Joined June 2011
1051 Posts
April 05 2012 14:11 GMT
#22
I'm surprised JJakji wasn't mentioned much in this article. He's actually my pick to win it, or atleast finish top 3. I would definitely say hes one of the best players coming from the open bracket.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50107 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-05 14:12:10
April 05 2012 14:11 GMT
#23
what the fuck is Action's hydralisk doing there?

he needs his money now.

Hydralisk:But boss I'm gonna make double out of a good bet on MMA.....

well you better hope he wins or the godfather will see to you personally.
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Profile Blog Joined September 2011
SoCal, USA3955 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-05 14:17:46
April 05 2012 14:16 GMT
#24
Oh damn it you used that poorly photoshopped image. TT

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Profile Joined May 2010
Norway179 Posts
April 05 2012 14:20 GMT
#25
Just to comment on Copenhagen Games and The Gathering, both have always been done during the easters and always will be done at the same time. There will always be collisions there I'm afraid
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Luftmensch
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
277 Posts
April 05 2012 14:24 GMT
#26
Why, why fractional odds? They are counterintuitive and confusing, why not use normal decimal odds?
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THM
Profile Joined November 2010
Bulgaria1131 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-05 15:16:43
April 05 2012 14:56 GMT
#27
Great idea for an article and some good bet ideas here.

A GSTL player will win the tournament – 3 to 1


About that... as the guy with the long post very accurately said, this is probably the easiest bet to make, as the odds are way too good. This would be an interesting bet if it said "Foxer will win the tournament - 4 or 5 to 1"


Now, I would like to turn your attention to some real SC2 bets that any non-americans can make at pinnaclesports.com

Sat 4/7 1001 StarTale 1.909
05:30 PM 1002 Prime 1.943

Sat 4/7 1003 July 1.862
05:30 PM 1004 Maru 1.990

Very interesting odds, and I think they'll change quickly as for me it's Prime all the way with these odds. I definitely think they're the favorites vs startale. The july vs maru match is very tricky, it could go either way, but I'm feeling Maru here, if he doesn't choke hard due to stage fright he's actually better than july and 1.99 is pretty good for him.

Also, some interesting odds from the IPL groups:

Fri 4/6 2003 Tails 2.500
11:30 AM 2004 NesTea 1.568
Fri 4/6 2005 Tails +1.5 1.532 2.610
12:30 PM 2006 aLive -1.5 2.590 1.526

I'd bet Tails on both of these. I'd say he's underrated here, I remember even naniwa saying that Tails is the only stream he's subscribed to and watches as Tails is really good and has some sick builds.

Fri 4/6 2019 Bomber -1.5 2.040 1.311
07:30 PM 2020 IdrA +1.5 1.826 3.630
Fri 4/6 2021 MMA -1.5 1.763 1.226
08:30 PM 2022 IdrA +1.5 2.120 4.490

3.63 for Idra is not that bad actually vs Bomber, I mean Idra is still a big underdog but he might be able to do something if Bomber does not play his best. On the other hand, I'd go for the -1.5 1.76 bet for MMA to 2:0 Idra. I think Idra will go into that series with the mindset that he's already lost aand.. that's exactly what will happen

Last but not least,

Fri 4/6 2009 WhiteRa +1.5 2.710 7.090
02:30 PM 2010 MarineKing -1.5 1.493 1.114

Go go Foxer -1.5 here @ 1.5. At the moment I'd say he's by far the best tvp player in the world, and 2:0-ing WhiteRa is something that is very very VERY probable.

I'd love to hear some of your thoughts about the bets too guys
AgentChaos
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom4569 Posts
April 05 2012 14:59 GMT
#28
idra to make it out of his group!!
IM & EG supporter
Robble Dobble
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada36 Posts
April 05 2012 15:05 GMT
#29
Awesome job guys!
SunTurtle
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
156 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-05 15:17:24
April 05 2012 15:16 GMT
#30
Definitely one of the better articles I've seen here in a long time :D

EDIT: Can someone explain to me why it's illegal to bet on eSports in the U.S.?
GoonFFS
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark323 Posts
April 05 2012 15:16 GMT
#31
I want to place real bets on these events
http://konvictgaming.com/ -> @KrugerFFS
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44106 Posts
April 05 2012 15:20 GMT
#32
These are awesome bets hahahaha ^^

White-Ra will use special tactics for threesome with wife and celebrity
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
THM
Profile Joined November 2010
Bulgaria1131 Posts
April 05 2012 15:27 GMT
#33
On April 06 2012 00:16 GoonFFS wrote:
I want to place real bets on these events


Why don't you do it then? You can even tell us what you've bet on after that.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
April 05 2012 16:04 GMT
#34
45mil to 1? really? those are some silly odds ~.~
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44106 Posts
April 05 2012 16:15 GMT
#35
On April 06 2012 01:04 Geo.Rion wrote:
45mil to 1? really? those are some silly odds ~.~


Just from a statistics perspective, I'd drop ten bucks down on the chance that one of our good-looking players gets lucky. Far more likely than hitting the lottery lol, and I'd take $450 million in a heartbeat
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Frozen_skill
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada13 Posts
April 05 2012 16:21 GMT
#36
This looks like a nice idea.
Atoissen
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway1737 Posts
April 05 2012 16:22 GMT
#37
Omg, i love these "themes" write ups
You guys doing great work, much appreciated! Hyped <3
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GoonFFS
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark323 Posts
April 05 2012 16:22 GMT
#38
On April 06 2012 00:27 THM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2012 00:16 GoonFFS wrote:
I want to place real bets on these events


Why don't you do it then? You can even tell us what you've bet on after that.


how? pinnacle is down and esbl just has playmoney
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clwzim
Profile Joined February 2012
Brazil65 Posts
April 05 2012 16:24 GMT
#39
a foreign will finish top 6 and idra will do 0-4 or 1-3 on his grp
Engdrew
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States890 Posts
April 05 2012 16:29 GMT
#40
How clever a Vegas themed post for IPL4. Very nice writeup. I enjoyed it :D
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JeffVader
Profile Joined February 2011
United States79 Posts
April 05 2012 16:46 GMT
#41
Stephano fighting!!! Best American Zerg in existence.

If we get another Stephano - Polt rematch I'll be so down.
As if you could kill time without injuring eternity.
Vapaach
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland994 Posts
April 05 2012 16:51 GMT
#42
I could bet 3 to 1 that We get a USA chant at some point in the main stage.

Great read!
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clwzim
Profile Joined February 2012
Brazil65 Posts
April 05 2012 17:02 GMT
#43
On April 06 2012 01:46 JeffVader wrote:
Stephano fighting!!! Best American Zerg in existence.

If we get another Stephano - Polt rematch I'll be so down.


american ?? hes french dude...
wts geography leassons
darkscream
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2310 Posts
April 05 2012 17:03 GMT
#44
I'll give 2:1 odds these odds are random as hell
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6644 Posts
April 05 2012 17:03 GMT
#45
On April 06 2012 02:02 clwzim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2012 01:46 JeffVader wrote:
Stephano fighting!!! Best American Zerg in existence.

If we get another Stephano - Polt rematch I'll be so down.


american ?? hes french dude...
wts geography leassons

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FlukyS
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Ireland485 Posts
April 05 2012 17:15 GMT
#46
I think july is a great outside bet to win the lot because he is on form at the moment I have to say.
Kazeyonoma
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2912 Posts
April 05 2012 17:19 GMT
#47
amazing post, and lol @ the miley + huk hookup hahaa.
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Kevan
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2303 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-05 17:49:11
April 05 2012 17:33 GMT
#48
On April 06 2012 02:03 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2012 02:02 clwzim wrote:
On April 06 2012 01:46 JeffVader wrote:
Stephano fighting!!! Best American Zerg in existence.

If we get another Stephano - Polt rematch I'll be so down.


american ?? hes french dude...
wts geography leassons

You're new here aren't you?

huehuehuehue

There are so many amazing players in the tournament that it will be very hard to predict any final results. Rooting for MC, White Ra, HuK, MVP and Bling. Bomber is also a player I'd like to see do well because when he is in beast mode he is easily one of the best and most entertaining players in the world.

Kiwikaki will make the most money this weekend, any bets?
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omgimonfire15
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States233 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-05 17:38:09
April 05 2012 17:38 GMT
#49
Let's go team USA!
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
April 05 2012 17:41 GMT
#50
On April 05 2012 23:08 Synwave wrote:
Miley Cyrus comes to Vegas to relax with friends and meets Huk...its gonna happen! Bet taken!

Fun write up and oddly interesting mental excersizes for pondering the betting and odds, very cool

Huk and Miley wont be doing any relaxing. Huk might not even show up for his games!
blae000
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway1640 Posts
April 05 2012 17:54 GMT
#51
what is this ? O_O Sheth is going to crush Jjakji!!

Kool article tho! :D I'm excited!
Liquid
Aemilia
Profile Joined March 2012
344 Posts
April 05 2012 17:58 GMT
#52
On April 05 2012 22:24 Talin wrote:
I don't think Nestea will ever do well in these one-weekend tournaments. I predicted him to bomb out of pretty much every event since MLG (Global Invitational), and he's proven me right every time so far.

He just isn't a type of player that can sit down and run the gauntlet of randomized opponents all the way to take the championship. That said, he's seeded in a group this time and groups were known for some time so he should at least come prepared for the two opponents he knew he'd have to play.


He won the Korean qualifier for the Winter Arena. Nestea is capable, but so are a lot of other players. I would love so much for Nestea to win here.
.MadHaT
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada76 Posts
April 05 2012 17:59 GMT
#53
TLO's beard will fascinate and amaze some random celebrity. I'll take that last bet ;P
"That's just the man trying to get you to buy Bananas" - Artosis
Marou
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1371 Posts
April 05 2012 18:15 GMT
#54
aahh for a moment i though there was about to be real money betting available for the competition. That's a shame really !

Nice read tho, this tournament is probably the toughest field in the history of SC2 yet (maybe GSL Code S tops it, but as far as "one event" tournament goes, this is definitely the hardest one).
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Pwnzer
Profile Joined June 2011
United States617 Posts
April 05 2012 18:24 GMT
#55
On April 06 2012 02:02 clwzim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2012 01:46 JeffVader wrote:
Stephano fighting!!! Best American Zerg in existence.

If we get another Stephano - Polt rematch I'll be so down.


american ?? hes french dude...
wts geography leassons


It's gotten to the point where I can't tell if people are trolling or not when they respond to the Stephano/USA stuff by correcting his nationality. I feel like everyone should get the joke at this point! Haha

I LOVE the write up and the connection between Vegas and the bets. Awesome as always.
Herp Derp
NInoff
Profile Joined August 2011
Bulgaria1105 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-05 18:27:16
April 05 2012 18:25 GMT
#56
No betting, please! Betting will kill the sport, like it already did with football, have you seen the champiouns league matches lateley? its absoluteley rediculous.
Flamingo777
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1190 Posts
April 05 2012 18:27 GMT
#57
On April 06 2012 01:51 Vapaach wrote:
I could bet 3 to 1 that We get a USA chant at some point in the main stage (when Stephano is owning/wins).

Fixed that for you! ;p
TheRealNanMan
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1471 Posts
April 05 2012 18:42 GMT
#58
Awesome write up Tree Hugger and Wax! I'm pumped for IPL
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mmatahi
Profile Joined March 2011
France126 Posts
April 05 2012 18:47 GMT
#59
Best article ever !
DisOriental
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada89 Posts
April 05 2012 18:56 GMT
#60
Odds that Huk will get extremely drunk and mouth off a bouncer at a club for not letting him in 3:1

Odds that Haypro will have and epic SC2 interview about his gambling and show-catching Vegas ways at the end of IPL4 5:1

Odds that Hot_Bid uses IPL4 as a platform to promote his Maxim Gamer Girl status 2:1

Odds that someone will miss a game from being hungover or by some other debaucherous happenings 1:1


any takers?
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Synwave
Profile Joined July 2009
United States2803 Posts
April 05 2012 19:11 GMT
#61
I wouldn't know what odds to give on it but I am hoping White-Ra takes the whole thing.
Hmmm...20:1?
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JohnMatrix
Profile Joined April 2011
France1356 Posts
April 05 2012 19:21 GMT
#62
I bet on a korean terran by far.
Kohbee
Profile Joined May 2011
United States155 Posts
April 05 2012 19:24 GMT
#63
On April 06 2012 04:11 Synwave wrote:
I wouldn't know what odds to give on it but I am hoping White-Ra takes the whole thing.
Hmmm...20:1?

I'll give you those odds and bet you 1,000 dollars

If white-ra wins I'll give you 20k
If he doesnt you give me 1k
Mondieu
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania803 Posts
April 05 2012 19:32 GMT
#64
What is up with the "Stephano is fromUS" joke ? Did a caster not know where he's from or ?
The_Darkness
Profile Joined December 2011
United States910 Posts
April 05 2012 19:48 GMT
#65
On April 06 2012 04:11 Synwave wrote:
I wouldn't know what odds to give on it but I am hoping White-Ra takes the whole thing.
Hmmm...20:1?


I'd guess it's more in the neighborhood of 1-200 (if betting lines were established by people wagering money). There are so many players WhiteRa would need to be beat consecutively against whom WhiteRa would be a heavy underdog. For example, if you have to beat three players in a row whom your odds of beating are each 1 in 5 then the odds you beat all three consecutively are 1 in 125. This isn't to say white-ra is a bad player; it's just a reflection of the amount of talent at the event. My favoriate player is Stephano and I think he's great but he probably has around a 1 in 20 to 1 in 30 shot of winning it all. (That's pulled out of my ass, but it's around the odds someone would need to give me to bet on him to win it all.)
To be is to be the value of a bound variable.
dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
April 05 2012 19:55 GMT
#66
IdrA will go 0 – 4 in his group – 1 to 3

i like it.
Moneyscoop
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany31 Posts
April 05 2012 20:14 GMT
#67
When will the power rank be posted? Wanna see it! hwaaaaiting!
Dumboprime
Profile Joined March 2011
985 Posts
April 05 2012 20:20 GMT
#68
so pumped for this!!
saksy2
Profile Joined May 2011
Norway520 Posts
April 05 2012 20:36 GMT
#69
On April 06 2012 04:32 Mondieu wrote:
What is up with the "Stephano is fromUS" joke ? Did a caster not know where he's from or ?

It comes from the GSL World Championships a year ago, when Artosis named the foreign team (without a single american)"Team USA".
GDbushido
Profile Joined March 2011
United States926 Posts
April 05 2012 21:04 GMT
#70
Why would anyone want wagering to become more of a part of SC2 than it already is? Didn't we learn anything from SaviOr?
remember not to think too much and your trip will be numbingly pleasant
ChaosArcher
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany956 Posts
April 05 2012 21:22 GMT
#71
http://www.pinnaclesports.com/League/E Sports/SC2 IGN ProL/1/Lines.aspx

just saying :D hope i dont get baned :O
m1rk3
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada412 Posts
April 05 2012 21:22 GMT
#72
Is this a typo... it did not make any sense to me

0ing teams in the GSTL to dropping out of the GSL in the same week, and going from winning to MLG Raleigh to getting eliminated by IdrA in Orlando...
For the Dominion!
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
April 05 2012 21:25 GMT
#73
45 million to 1 odds? I'd take that bet almost no matter what it's on.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
RJGooner
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2038 Posts
April 05 2012 22:02 GMT
#74
A GSTL player will win the tournament – 3 to 1

I will take this because July is gonna dominate some nerds and win the whole thing.
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MafiaCheese
Profile Joined April 2010
United States87 Posts
April 05 2012 22:16 GMT
#75
Well since im not a "noteable" foreigner, ill take myself on the celeb hookup... haha
ThaZenith
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3116 Posts
April 05 2012 22:35 GMT
#76
IdrA will never go 0-4, and a foreigner will definitely beat a GSL champion.
archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
April 05 2012 22:42 GMT
#77
this is journalism or something... keep it up
I'm Quotable (IQ)
firehand101
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3152 Posts
April 05 2012 22:47 GMT
#78
45,000,000 to 1????? really? have some faith god dammit!
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Cassel_Castle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States820 Posts
April 05 2012 22:56 GMT
#79
On April 06 2012 06:22 ChaosArcher wrote:
http://www.pinnaclesports.com/League/E Sports/SC2 IGN ProL/1/Lines.aspx

just saying :D hope i dont get baned :O


Going to the GSTL section has Prime as underdogs against Startale. Interesting, I wouldn't bet against Prime no matter who they're playing at the moment. Too bad Pinnacle's not open to the US.
emc
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3088 Posts
April 05 2012 23:40 GMT
#80
i hope idra reads this thread and decides to prove us wrong. I'm just waiting for him to get good again... waiting so long
honed
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada482 Posts
April 06 2012 01:07 GMT
#81
jjakji has better tvz than mma..
Philipd122
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia776 Posts
April 06 2012 01:20 GMT
#82
On April 06 2012 10:07 honed wrote:
jjakji has better tvz than mma..


Bold statement there.
Oz | Leenock | GuMiho | Lucky | MC | PartinG | DRG | Mvp
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
April 06 2012 01:31 GMT
#83
On April 06 2012 10:07 honed wrote:
jjakji has better tvz than mma..


hell no
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
honed
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada482 Posts
April 06 2012 02:50 GMT
#84
hmm i thought it was general consensus. could be wrong, but ive been more impressed with jjakji
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
April 06 2012 03:30 GMT
#85
On April 06 2012 03:56 DisOriental wrote:
Odds that Huk will get extremely drunk and mouth off a bouncer at a club for not letting him in 3:1
I think HuK will remain completely sober. Not taking.

Odds that Haypro will have and epic SC2 interview about his gambling and show-catching Vegas ways at the end of IPL4 5:1
I'd like to see that, but not taking it.

Odds that Hot_Bid uses IPL4 as a platform to promote his Maxim Gamer Girl status 2:1
Of course he will!


Odds that someone will miss a game from being hungover or by some other debaucherous happenings 1:1
I'd make that 4:1 honestly... then maybe

any takers?


Interesting ideas...
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feanor1
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1899 Posts
April 06 2012 07:19 GMT
#86
On April 05 2012 21:37 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:

And one last bet, just for fun.

<span class="highlight">Chance that a celebrity hookup puts ESPORTS into the mainstream – 45,000,000 to 1</span>

Tree: Absolutely I'm taking this. There will be some handsome nerds in attendence, and of course, there's the untapped potential of the anonymous open bracket players to bolster the odds. As for the celebrities, well, there always should be some in Vegas. Now, the hook up is the relatively easy part, though not exactly high probability venture. Even if the hookup happens, there's a low chance that it becomes widespread knowledge on top of that. All that may be true, but I'm basing my analysis on the investigative, drama-mongering powers of TL and Reddit, which experience has shown to be quite formidable when roused. So keep your eyes peeled and cameras ready, attendees, as a little gossip might be esports' big break!

So
@Gomtv Just met 50cent in the lobby of the Cosmopolitan. 50cent StarCraft fan? #GSTL

Who is going to be hooking up with 50cent. If ESPORTS wants to make it big, it doesn't get bigger than 50.
GoonFFS
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark323 Posts
April 06 2012 09:19 GMT
#87
Betting like a boss on http://www.pinnaclesports.com
http://konvictgaming.com/ -> @KrugerFFS
colate
Profile Joined April 2011
Norway121 Posts
April 06 2012 09:50 GMT
#88
Tangent: From a spectator and esports fan's perspective, when you consider that Copenhagen Games and The Gathering were on the same weekend last year as well, you can't help but think that these two events really should have a talk and figure out some way not to overlap. The player pool for each event is quite intriguing, but combine the two and you have an actual competitor to IPL – an Assembly to your MLG so to speak.

At any rate, people should watch; there's nothing wrong with more Starcraft for your weekend, and two simultaneous battles between top European GM's should be well worth everyone's time.


Do your research first. The Gathering have been during the easter in over 20 years. Why the easter? Because the main purpose of TG is being a LAN - not being a tournament (which it also is, but that´s not the main reason The Gathering exists). I don´t know the history of Copenhagen Games, which may very well exist for the same reasons.

Though I agree that it would be better if they didn´t overlap since the competition would be higher with more and better people. But TG will never change their date, never.
Fluffeh
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden66 Posts
April 06 2012 12:03 GMT
#89
# of announcements made by other major tournaments during the course of IPL4 – Over/Under 3.5


Haha, Homestory Cup V was just announced :D
nth<3 Flash<3
Sonic Death Monkey
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden991 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-06 12:30:13
April 06 2012 12:29 GMT
#90
Edit: Sorry, wrong thread.
ChaosArcher
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany956 Posts
April 06 2012 13:33 GMT
#91
On April 06 2012 07:56 Cassel_Castle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2012 06:22 ChaosArcher wrote:
http://www.pinnaclesports.com/League/E Sports/SC2 IGN ProL/1/Lines.aspx

just saying :D hope i dont get baned :O


Going to the GSTL section has Prime as underdogs against Startale. Interesting, I wouldn't bet against Prime no matter who they're playing at the moment. Too bad Pinnacle's not open to the US.


Actually you can make good money with betting on esports, because there are some really strange odds from time to time :D
There was a blog by someone about betting and he made good calls.
I got a big + in money overall too
Ezzaa
Profile Joined October 2010
17 Posts
April 06 2012 14:07 GMT
#92
Byun will win IPL4. You heard it here.

You guys haven't noticed MKP only got good since Byun joined prime?
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
April 06 2012 15:43 GMT
#93
yeah, it sucks that you all in the land of the free can't use pinnacle
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Pachacutec
Profile Joined March 2012
Peru53 Posts
April 06 2012 15:55 GMT
#94
idra:kim can i nydus your main?
kim kardashin:oh idra! of course
idra:

and/or

holly:hi handsome
HuK:hi there, goergeous
holly:so what are you doing
HuK:just chilling playing the IPL for 40k$
holly:oh my!... make me your please
HuK: En taro tassadar...
you look better in the shadows
Gcfg
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom18 Posts
April 06 2012 19:09 GMT
#95
MKP will win the entire tournament no doubt
Cassel_Castle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States820 Posts
April 07 2012 07:36 GMT
#96
What are the odds that no foreigner beats a Korean in pool play?
Doomblaze
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1292 Posts
April 07 2012 19:54 GMT
#97
I was really sad when you guys were talking about betting on idra going 0-4 in his group, because I would have taken that bet and won..

He had the most insane group of terrans, but thats only 1 matchup...
In Mushi we trust
Superouman
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
France2195 Posts
April 07 2012 19:58 GMT
#98
On April 05 2012 21:37 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
IdrA will go 0 – 4 in his group – 1 to 3
Wax: How could we not make an IdrA related bet? Tough, but I actually think IdrA is being underrated here. Of course, there's no chance in hell that IdrA will beat MMA, who is the best TvZ player in the world by some stupid margin – forget whatever you've seen MKP do in recent weeks.

However, an IdrA > Bomber upset seems totally reasonable. IdrA's biggest, most impressive wins over Koreans in tournaments have mostly come against Terran opponents, such as Mvp, SuperNoVa, PuMa, etc. Bomber at his best would definitely be favored to win, but he's always been an incredibly inconsistent player, going from 5 – 0ing teams in the GSTL to dropping out of the GSL in the same week, and going from winning to MLG Raleigh to getting eliminated by IdrA in Orlando...

There's a number of beatable opponents that could float in from the open bracket as well. ZvZ can be pretty volatile, so you never know what might happen against a BBoongBBoongPrime or ST_Curious. All-in-all, 1 to 3 seems a bit harsh for IdrA to lose every single series.

You must come from the future, tell me more about it
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DisOriental
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada89 Posts
April 07 2012 20:37 GMT
#99
On April 08 2012 04:58 Superouman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 21:37 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
IdrA will go 0 – 4 in his group – 1 to 3
Wax: How could we not make an IdrA related bet? Tough, but I actually think IdrA is being underrated here. Of course, there's no chance in hell that IdrA will beat MMA, who is the best TvZ player in the world by some stupid margin – forget whatever you've seen MKP do in recent weeks.

However, an IdrA > Bomber upset seems totally reasonable. IdrA's biggest, most impressive wins over Koreans in tournaments have mostly come against Terran opponents, such as Mvp, SuperNoVa, PuMa, etc. Bomber at his best would definitely be favored to win, but he's always been an incredibly inconsistent player, going from 5 – 0ing teams in the GSTL to dropping out of the GSL in the same week, and going from winning to MLG Raleigh to getting eliminated by IdrA in Orlando...

There's a number of beatable opponents that could float in from the open bracket as well. ZvZ can be pretty volatile, so you never know what might happen against a BBoongBBoongPrime or ST_Curious. All-in-all, 1 to 3 seems a bit harsh for IdrA to lose every single series.

You must come from the future, tell me more about it


lol damn, I was about to make the same post. Waxangel is making money in Vegas...
_ _ | _ _ "Why is Pirate Bird always dirty?..." ~ Artosis
Thurken
Profile Joined September 2011
961 Posts
April 08 2012 19:40 GMT
#100
"A foreigner will finish in the top six"

Check.
QCD.GRudge
Profile Joined April 2012
Netherlands13 Posts
April 10 2012 17:43 GMT
#101
On April 05 2012 23:08 Synwave wrote:
Miley Cyrus comes to Vegas to relax with friends and meets Huk...its gonna happen! Bet taken!

Fun write up and oddly interesting mental excersizes for pondering the betting and odds, very cool


lmao @ Miley Cyrus, would it be horrible?
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