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Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
March 10 2012 20:25 GMT
#81
I really hope the next IEM "bumper" or whatever you call that brief commercial they always play gets some new clips, like of MC. I'm really glad to see MC beat Puma in a finals and carry on his usual swag. Besides Nani/HuK sometimes, MC's the only Protoss winning major events.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
March 10 2012 20:27 GMT
#82
On March 11 2012 05:25 Ansinjunger wrote:
I really hope the next IEM "bumper" or whatever you call that brief commercial they always play gets some new clips, like of MC. I'm really glad to see MC beat Puma in a finals and carry on his usual swag. Besides Nani/HuK sometimes, MC's the only Protoss winning major events.


Hero won Dreamhack. But MC is still the most dominant Protoss right now. No other Protoss comes close in achievements.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
KanoCoke
Profile Joined June 2011
Japan863 Posts
March 10 2012 20:30 GMT
#83
So here's what I think: MMA might have focused too much on practicing TvP due to the numerous foreign protoss, as well as Korean Protosses in this tournament that he barely touched his TvT. It was sad watching him against Puma. Totally different from the MMA that destroys all terran players not named Polt.
Will always cheer for: MMA Bomber Taeja Curious Life herO Zest
TheSwamp
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1497 Posts
March 10 2012 20:38 GMT
#84
ROFL Feast...
MLG: How is your Protoss? Idra: I make Blink Stalkers, so really, really good.
Madars
Profile Joined December 2011
Latvia166 Posts
March 10 2012 21:16 GMT
#85
Game Five: Antiga Shipyard. PuMa @ 3, MC @ 3.
Something is not right there.
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forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-10 21:29:32
March 10 2012 21:29 GMT
#86
On March 11 2012 01:09 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 01:01 ES.Genie wrote:
"His last GSL victory had come almost a year before, and it seemed inevitable that he would be a victim of generation change, next in line after Mvp and Nestea. "

What? Mvp failed to reach Ro8 for the first time in ages, after dominating the scene almost a year, even though suffering CTS, and you are already talking about generation change? oO


quick question, who's the best Terran player in the world :o

There isn't a best Terran at the moment. MMA beats Mvp consistently but also loses TvT to other Terrans frequently and has very average TvP compared to other Koreans like Polt and MKP. His TvZ is probably tops in the world but that's it. There isn't currently a Terran who is good across all three matchups and who is also having consistent success right now.
peppilepew
Profile Joined May 2011
93 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-10 21:34:44
March 10 2012 21:33 GMT
#87
On March 11 2012 03:23 bigpoppajoel wrote:
Thanks for the HUGE FRONT PAGE CENTER SPOILER.... I didn't want to watch the final day anyway. Thanks TL, go shoot yourself

User was warned for this post



if you dont want spoilers dont come to tl u tard-_-

on topic, have vods bein released yet?
Scrandom
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2819 Posts
March 10 2012 21:38 GMT
#88
Wow, I was considering avoiding TL to not spoil it but I figured it would be hard to catch the sc rebroadcast since I'm at work but after reading the recap I wish I had. Sounded like an amazing finals
Brett
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Australia3820 Posts
March 10 2012 21:51 GMT
#89
On March 11 2012 00:25 Waxangel wrote:
<img src="http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Waxangel/spoilerbutton.png" style="border: 2px solid black;">

People are still going to be stupid enough to rage about this in a year's time, Wax :\
monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8476 Posts
March 10 2012 23:15 GMT
#90
Er, the OP has a big mistake. In game 4 of MC vs Puma, MC had 3 bases when he "took a page out of his PvZ book and went 2 base all-in". In fact, MC had that 3rd for a very long time. The casters just didn't show the 3rd base ever I think.
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InoyouS2
Profile Joined December 2011
1005 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-10 23:20:16
March 10 2012 23:18 GMT
#91
On March 11 2012 06:29 forsooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 01:09 Waxangel wrote:
On March 11 2012 01:01 ES.Genie wrote:
"His last GSL victory had come almost a year before, and it seemed inevitable that he would be a victim of generation change, next in line after Mvp and Nestea. "

What? Mvp failed to reach Ro8 for the first time in ages, after dominating the scene almost a year, even though suffering CTS, and you are already talking about generation change? oO


quick question, who's the best Terran player in the world :o

There isn't a best Terran at the moment. MMA beats Mvp consistently but also loses TvT to other Terrans frequently and has very average TvP compared to other Koreans like Polt and MKP. His TvZ is probably tops in the world but that's it. There isn't currently a Terran who is good across all three matchups and who is also having consistent success right now.


I would argue that Mvp is still the most solid player all-around, even though he seems to be slumping slightly lately. Also his tournament results for 2011 are insane, he basically won every tournament he entered except when MMA was there (MLG Korean Invitational and MLG Anaheim not included).

MMA is still definitely a top 3 Terran, but I'll side with Mvp just because of his all-around consistency, boasting over 60% in every matchup, and nearly 70% overall winrate. MMA has a crazy winrate against Zerg, and overall pretty good winrate vs Terran, but his TvP is sub-par for Korea.
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Poisonblack
Profile Joined May 2011
452 Posts
March 10 2012 23:24 GMT
#92
On March 11 2012 08:15 NrGmonk wrote:
Er, the OP has a big mistake. In game 4 of MC vs Puma, MC had 3 bases when he "took a page out of his PvZ book and went 2 base all-in". In fact, MC had that 3rd for a very long time. The casters just didn't show the 3rd base ever I think.

true, was gonna say that
CaptainCrush
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States785 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-10 23:41:29
March 10 2012 23:40 GMT
#93
On March 11 2012 06:29 forsooth wrote:
There isn't a best Terran at the moment. MMA beats Mvp consistently but also loses TvT to other Terrans frequently and has very average TvP compared to other Koreans like Polt and MKP. His TvZ is probably tops in the world but that's it. There isn't currently a Terran who is good across all three matchups and who is also having consistent success right now.


There isnt a best terran ATM because terran has been nerfed all to hell. If the force fields are true, toss will win, no matter what a terran does. Grats to MC, he certainly did well but I think it was at the hands of some gimmick builds from a slightly OP race. Granted MMA won 3-0 over feast, but lets be real, Feast isnt half the player that MMA is....
Schwopzi
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands954 Posts
March 11 2012 00:07 GMT
#94
On March 11 2012 08:15 NrGmonk wrote:
Er, the OP has a big mistake. In game 4 of MC vs Puma, MC had 3 bases when he "took a page out of his PvZ book and went 2 base all-in". In fact, MC had that 3rd for a very long time. The casters just didn't show the 3rd base ever I think.


They did show it 2-3 times I believe. Even showed a probe transfer; but your main point stands. MC was way ahead in economy after he deflected puma's attack because he kept making probes from 3 nexus. That's why his push was so strong, not some mystical puma macro slipup.
Only the dead have seen the end of war
mDuo13
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States307 Posts
March 11 2012 00:34 GMT
#95
Excellent writeup, and congratulations, MC. A victory well-won.
Soft`Soap
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada865 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-11 03:16:02
March 11 2012 03:15 GMT
#96
wrong thread
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stardin
Profile Joined September 2010
Israel88 Posts
March 11 2012 03:45 GMT
#97
OMG Pewma
Sky101
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States1758 Posts
March 11 2012 06:28 GMT
#98
I've always liked MC. I follow SC as a spectator, and part of the reason is because of the flamboyant character/personality. You may be good, but if you're not interesting, I don't really wanna watch.

That's why I'd tune in for MC/Boxer/July... (something about July that I can't help but always cheering for him!)...vs someone like MVP or whoever it is supposedly best in the world now.
Peter, Dang, pm me!!!
Koryu87
Profile Joined March 2012
6 Posts
March 11 2012 06:57 GMT
#99
"MC pulled a strategy out of his PvZ playbook and decided to try and kill PuMa with a two-base blink stalker all-in"

How do you two-base all-in with three bases? He even had the 3rd base up when PuMa initially counter-attacked. I thought for sure that MC was going to cancel it but he let it finish, which helped him in the long run.

Congrats to MC for an epic comeback though =)

MC bosstoss!
genius_man16
Profile Joined February 2011
United States749 Posts
March 11 2012 08:39 GMT
#100
Do we know if/when vods and/or reps will be released? Or if they already have been and I fail at looking?
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