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February 24th, 2012 20:24 GMT

D1 Preview: 32 Players, 16 Matches

By: Waxangel



(Z)FXOLeenock vs (T)GoSu.dde: Leenock's been surprisingly quiet since winning MLG Providence and taking second place in Code S November. He dropped out of 2012's first Code S season quickly after being put into a tough group, and found few opportunities to play in team leagues due to his teammates' strong performances. Even so, the memory of his ZvT rampage in November makes us question what kind of chance the challenger dde has. He's a Terran, North American, and lacking big tournament achievements – it's about everything our #1 seed could have asked for MLG out in his #32 opponent.

Prediction: Leenock 2 – 0 dde


(T)mouzThorZaIN vs (Z)Liquid`Sheth: Some fans may have seen Sheth's all-kill of EG in the recent Liquid vs Evil Geniuses IPL TAC match as a break through moment, but Sheth has been a strong player for some time now. He's beaten a wide variety of top foreigners, and it's been tough Korean opponents like PuMa and HerO who have kept him from higher finishes in recent tournaments. Even so, ThorZaIN is still a very difficult opponent, as the Swedish Terran is right at the top of the foreigner totem poll with players like Stephano and Ret. Though TvZ used to be pointed out as the hole in ThorZaIN's game, he's improved on his spoon style to bring that match-up right up there with the rest.

Prediction: ThorZaIN 2 – 1 Sheth


(Z)IMNesTea vs (T)EG.DeMusliM: DeMusliM's tale is an unfortunate one, as some freak injury has always killed his momentum every time he's started to get hyped up. IEM Sao Paulo was another let down, suggesting that maybe there was no substance behind the hype, or that perhaps yet more time was required. In any case, DeMusliM couldn't have asked for a worse opponent in his potential bounce back game.

Admittedly, NesTea doesn't look as strong as he did before. HayprO and NaNiwa attained glory at Nestea's expense back in Providence, while present GSL finalist Genius was able to cash in on Nestea's reputation as well. However, he is still a formidable player, one who defeated a field stronger than the one at the actual Winter Arena during the Korean preliminaries to qualify in first place. On the other hand, DeMusliM's last performance against a good Korean Zerg (viOlet at IEM Sao Paulo) was 'mixed' to put it nicely.

Prediction: NesTea 2 – 1 DeMusliM


Waxangel's Picks: Games to Watch

#1 - GanZi vs DongRaeGu: The combined TvZ skill in this match-up is just through the roof. If anyone can put on a perfectly played, thrilling show, it's these two guys.

#2 - ThorZaIN vs Sheth: Probably the best match between non-Koreans in the first round. These two are very evenly matched, and should play a close series,

#3 - San vs Mvp: A match where Mvp will shut up the critics, or show that there is some substance to rumors of his demise. Maybe it won't be the most exciting series, but it's a pivotal point for Starcraft II's most decorated player.

#4 - LosirA vs MarineKing: A third TvZ match to round everything out. A chance to see MarineKing put his micro to the test against an opponent with incredible macro? Drool...
(P)FXO_z vs (Z)EG.IdrA: IdrA has done an awful lot of complaining about ZvP lately – or at least it seems that way because myeg.net enjoys asking him about that match-up at every opportunity. Whether you agree about the large scale balance aspect or not, you can't blame IdrA, at least not at the personal level. ZvP has not treated him well lately, and there seems to be no sign of that changing soon. Oz hasn't been able to make it far in non-Korean tournaments, but he's an elite Korean Protoss who reached the GSL semi-finals in the past. If there hasn't been some earthshaking change for IdrA in recent days, then we can look forward to a predictable result.

Prediction: Oz 2 – 0 IdrA


(P)EG.HuK vs (P)coL.Minigun: Though their list of accomplishments contrasts drastically, Minigun is still a very dangerous opponent for HuK. HuK has a long history of being eliminated from tournaments by Protoss players. In the past five months, Inori, Elfi, Seiplo, and HasuObs have all dealt HuK a painful exit. The major exception for HuK was at MLG Orlando, where he managed to defeat MC to win the championship. However, that seems to be the exception to the rule. HuK is still the favored player here, just not by a large margin.

Prediction: HuK 2 – 1 Minigun


(P)aTn.Socke vs (P)vile.DdoRo: If the many complaints about Starcraft II being a high variance game are true, then that would make PvP an even more unpredictable sub-set of an already chaotic game. Similar to the HuK vs Minigun match-up above, Socke is a lot of danger despite being the more accomplished player, precisely because of this volatility. Socke is the safer pick just because of his general tournament success, but a Ddoro upset would be no surprise here.

Prediction: Socke 2 – 1 Ddoro


(Z)Liquid`Ret vs (P)QxG.SaSe: Ret and SaSe are two of the more well-known foreigners in the scene, with Ret having a great spurt of tournament success since late 2011, while SaSe is known for his skill and commitment to training in Korea. While both are certainly capable of giving Koreans a run for their money, their relative strength at the relevant match-up favors Ret. While SaSe is a very strong PvT player, his PvZ has definitely been a weakness so far. On the other hand, Ret is a well rounded player in all match-ups, but his ZvP has been especially good.

Prediction: Ret 2 – 0 SaSe


(P)NSH_San vs (T)IMMvp: San seems to be a popular underdog pick against Mvp – who for all his domination of the GSL and foreign tournaments, never conclusively answered the questions surrounding his TvP ability. San fell off the radar for quite a while, but he has returned as somewhat textbook, but very solid PvT player. From early gateway pressure, late game deathballin' to the occasional DT sneak attack, San is accomplished at all of the usual PvT tactics. San could beat Mvp if he's having a bad day, so this is a match-up worth keeping an eye on.

Prediction: Mvp 2 – 1 San


(Z)coL.MvPDongRaeGu vs (T)SlayerS_GanZi: It's a coup for MLG that despite failing to secure MMA for Winter Arena, that they managed to get his even hotter rival in DongRaeGu. The "best in the world" picture is in constant flux with every new week of GSL results, but right now, DongRaeGu is one of the only two players in the world who can say he will be competing in the GSL finals.

Though Ganzi hasn't reached such illustrious heights, he's no pushover for DRG. His TvZ is by far his best match-up, and he's definitely more than capable of taking DRG down. DRG also has a bit of a disadvantage in having shown the exact contents of his ZvT A-game just a few days in the Code S semi-finals, and Ganzi will have adjusted accordingly. It seems too hard even for a player of DRG's caliber to beat two top-tier TvZ players in such a short period, so I'll predict the upset here.

Prediction: Ganzi 2 – 1 DongRaeGu


(P)RoX.KIS.Pomi vs (P)ST_Parting: PvP is the matchup where foreigners most often score those rare upsets against Koreans, so this could be a good match to watch for those who like to see foreigners win at all costs. Parting is still favored here, but a surprise is a possibility.

Prediction: Parting 2 – 1 Pomi


(T)coL.Drewbie vs (T)oGs.TheStC: Drewbie's record between September and January: Seven wins, twenty eight losses. Yes people, that's a win percentage of 20%. Drewbie's record since February? Twelve wins and one loss for a win percentage 92%. Now, that's what you call a turn around. We don't know what kind of illicit drugs Drewbie was taking when he came out of nowhere to absolutely destroy the North American qualifiers, but hopefully he has some left for the main event. He's going up against TheStC – a very strong Terran player whose lack of a GSL resume misleads greatly. Think of him as another player like Puma or HerO, who has all the skill in the world, but has still somehow missed out on Code S. Though Drewbie has conquered North America in his return, this challenge is just of another nature altogether.

Prediction: TheStC 2 – 1 Drewbie


Hot_Bid's Picks: The Five Best Possible Finals

#5 - Leenock vs MarineKing: The results haven't been top notch for Leenock since Providence, but this matchup is still MLG's reigning national champion against the GSL's perennial silver medalist. Both players have style, an endearing quirkiness, and high level but unique play styles. The only reason this matchup isn't higher is because the ridiculously deep player field contains both MVP and DongRaeGu.

#4 - Thorzain vs Naniwa: These two know each other. They're friends. But don't ever believe that Naniwa doesn't remember the 3-1 lead he had on Thorzain in the TSL3 finals, and the epic comeback that stole that tournament away from him. Winning MLG over his rival Swede would erase that bad memory and more. Also, the difficult path these two would have to take to get to the finals would make it all the more incredible.

#3 - MC vs IdrA: This might not be the most cleanly played series or the highest level series, but for the trash talk and post game antics alone it ranks higher than the other potential finals. MC will surely do something to call out Idra before the match. The big question is not whether Idra has the ability to compete with MC, but whether he can focus enough to play his own game.

#2 - MVP vs DRG: The best TvZ player versus the best ZvT player. Quality wise, this is probably the highest level final we could imagine. The Arena of Legends final between MMA and DRG was an epic seven game series, likely the best quality Zerg vs Terran we've seen in StarCraft II yet. MVP vs DRG is the only matchup capable of reproducing that level of play.

#1 - NesTea vs NaNiwa: Was there any real doubt as to the #1 final we all want to see? Can you believe that these guys were on the same flight from Korea to New York? At MLG Providence, not only did Naniwa trash talk before the matches, but he defeated Nestea twice, once in the world championship event and once in the main bracket. Then he robbed Nestea of a chance at revenge in the GSL with a suicide probe rush, a move that ultimately cost Naniwa his Code S spot. If these two meet in the finals, you can bet on some sort of ceremony regardless of the winner.
(T)dignitas.meRz vs (P)oGs.MC: If Merz has watched MC's recent PvT games, he'll know what his game plan should be: Defend the all-in. However, that's easier said than done. MC has shown mastery over such a wide variety of timing attacks, that simply expecting one might not be enough. Merz is decent against Protoss, but he'll need absolutely top level scouting, timing, and micro to hold of MC's attacks. Then again, MC might just choose to play normal, and Merz will be at a disadvantage in that department as well. Sometimes, when life gives you lemons, you just have to go the loser's bracket.

Prediction: MC 2 – 0 Merz


(Z)Liquid`HayprO vs (T)dignitas.SjoW: Banjo fever has faded significantly since MLG Providence, where it hit its peak as HayprO upset Nestea. HayprO hasn't been able to play that well again since, but he's been practicing hard in Korea to try and reproduce that form. SjoW should provide an interesting benchmark against which HayprO can measure himself, as SjoW has been a rock in the European since what seems like the beginning of time. Though his glory days of challenging for championships have probably passed, he's still a very skilled player that can cause trouble for anyone. Considering it's been just over a month since HayprO returned to Korea, it might be a little too soon to overcome this obstacle.

Prediction: SjoW 2 – 1 HayprO


(P)Axslav vs (Z)Empire|viOLet: The only 'unemployed' player coming into the Winter Arena, perhaps Axslav has the most to gain. He was left teamless after ReIGN's untimely dissolvement, but the Winter Arena will provide him with a golden opportunity to advertise himself to prospective employers (if impressive stream view numbers weren't enough). However, as is the story with most of the North American players who could use this tournament as an opportunity, Axslav is faced with an extremely tough opponent. viOLet is either the best foreigner of 2012, or a very good Korean, depending on what you make of his base of operations in Texas. He's coming off a very impressive championship run at IEM Sao Paulo, and it's going to be an uphill battle for Axslav.

Prediction: viOLet 2 – 0 Axslav


(Z)IMLosirA vs (T)MarineKingPrime: Losira was almost a one of a kind Zerg back at his MLG Columbus debut, with remarkable handspeed and mechanics rivaled by nearly none of this peers. Many Zerg players have caught up to that level since then, but Losira remains a very good Korean Zerg. MarineKing has a similar story, as he was once the only player in the world to regularly micro marines to jaw-dropping victories over seemingly unbeatable forces, but that's become par for the course among the upper echelon Terran players. MarineKing has seen his star slightly fade as well, but is still a very good Terran player, making this one of the most evenly matched duels of the first round.

Prediction: MarineKing 2 – 1 Losira


(P)Grubby vs (P)QxG.NaNiwa: I wonder how NaNiwa feels about this opponent, considering that he's the the number two seed and all. Was he secretly hoping for the #7 player from North America? PvP is a volatile match-up and Grubby is an unpredictable player, so we can definitely say that Leenock definitely got the better end of the bargain. Not to say that NaNiwa isn't favored here, as he's always been a very good PvP player, minimizing the luck aspect and winning with skillful play. Grubby is good enough to present a challenge, but probably won't get the upset.

Prediction: NaNiwa 2 – 0 Grubby

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Last Edited: 2012-02-24 21:22:59
February 24 2012 20:25 GMT
#2
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Teacher74
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United States47 Posts
February 24 2012 20:27 GMT
#3
Picking Ganzi over DRG. Dayum.
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Canada9496 Posts
February 24 2012 20:27 GMT
#4
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United States413 Posts
February 24 2012 20:27 GMT
#5
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Teacher74
Profile Joined September 2010
United States47 Posts
February 24 2012 20:28 GMT
#6
Quick Question, are the other players from Assembly not playing in this MLG? (Hero, Puma, Stephano for example)
FatkiddsLag
Profile Joined May 2010
United States413 Posts
February 24 2012 20:29 GMT
#7
On February 25 2012 05:28 Teacher74 wrote:
Quick Question, are the other players from Assembly not playing in this MLG? (Hero, Puma, Stephano for example)


considering the tournaments are taking place 4000 miles away from each other I think its safe to assume no.
carloselcoco
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2302 Posts
February 24 2012 20:30 GMT
#8
Thorzain - Sheth is going to be won by Sheth
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ssg
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1771 Posts
February 24 2012 20:30 GMT
#9
Prediction: Ret 2 – 0 SaSe

You're so wrong.
NeWeNiyaLord
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Norway2474 Posts
February 24 2012 20:31 GMT
#10
I actually could afford this! then I found out its in the middle of the night :/ Still going to try and watch as much as I can before i have to go to sleep because of work tomorrow Hope this tourney is worth it!
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Teacher74
Profile Joined September 2010
United States47 Posts
February 24 2012 20:31 GMT
#11
On February 25 2012 05:29 FatkiddsLag wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2012 05:28 Teacher74 wrote:
Quick Question, are the other players from Assembly not playing in this MLG? (Hero, Puma, Stephano for example)


considering the tournaments are taking place 4000 miles away from each other I think its safe to assume no.


Ahhhh snap. I knew it was kind of a dumb question, but just wanted confirmation.
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Canada207 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-24 20:33:20
February 24 2012 20:32 GMT
#12
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United States1205 Posts
February 24 2012 20:33 GMT
#13
oGs.MC?
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DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
February 24 2012 20:34 GMT
#14
that MKP losira matchup in the first round is terrible luck for both players.
GoSuChicken
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany1726 Posts
February 24 2012 20:37 GMT
#15
Sad i wont be able to watch this
Dac
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada538 Posts
February 24 2012 20:37 GMT
#16
On February 25 2012 05:30 ssg wrote:
Prediction: Ret 2 – 0 SaSe

You're so wrong.


I agree with you and also think that

Naniwa 2 - 0 Grubby

is very wrong. I don't think Grubby is the best overall player, but i believe that pvp fits his skills better.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13924 Posts
February 24 2012 20:40 GMT
#17
awh so cute.

TL: I know MLG we had this big fight and all but I still want to cover you and write amazing content on you all weekend long.

I'm sure that the major sport leagues and ESPN had some failings out but they managed to have a wonderful relationship.

TLxMLG Hawaiting!
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VariousTence
Profile Joined August 2011
Belgium68 Posts
February 24 2012 20:43 GMT
#18
IMMvp already beat San in World championship 3-1
And his TvP ability is at least top 3 in the world.
Incredible Miracle for my life! :D
VariousTence
Profile Joined August 2011
Belgium68 Posts
February 24 2012 20:47 GMT
#19
and btw Mvp's suffering carpal tunnel syndrome reallty seiously.
that's why his recent play looks uneasy.
He's still the best player in world and has the capability to become even more.
Don't try to underestimate him Waxangel.

Incredible Miracle for my life! :D
ptrpb
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada753 Posts
February 24 2012 20:54 GMT
#20
NAH NI WA
In their tongue he is Dovahkiin, Dragonslayer
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taitanik
Profile Joined December 2011
Latvia231 Posts
February 24 2012 20:58 GMT
#21
in my opinion ret vs sase is wrong prediction
"the game is over only when you make it over"
sc2effort
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Russian Federation269 Posts
February 24 2012 20:59 GMT
#22
haha wow.. they really shat on every team and made some awful predictions... but other than that nice article...
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sc2effort
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Russian Federation269 Posts
February 24 2012 21:00 GMT
#23
and mvp is not the best tvz player... they fucked that up too....
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Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
February 24 2012 21:02 GMT
#24
On February 25 2012 06:00 sc2effort wrote:
and mvp is not the best tvz player... they fucked that up too....


Help Personal opinions ...
Come on, when did they every claimed on these topics they are correct and no one else is.
sc2effort
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Russian Federation269 Posts
February 24 2012 21:03 GMT
#25
haha I did not say that.. but they should stick to facts
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Femari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2900 Posts
February 24 2012 21:09 GMT
#26
when did Mvp take the title of best TvZ player from MMA?

id like to see a mkp mvp finals again though lol
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Darkthorn
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania912 Posts
February 24 2012 21:10 GMT
#27
Actually when it comes to TvZ I think MVP is better at dismantling zergs than MMA so it will look like a bad series ...plus mma vs drg has more story behind it, a rivalry.
LeFroMaGe
Profile Joined October 2010
United States628 Posts
February 24 2012 21:20 GMT
#28
On February 25 2012 05:27 Teacher74 wrote:
Picking Ganzi over DRG. Dayum.

That's some serious cajones.
ZanXala
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden26 Posts
February 24 2012 21:22 GMT
#29
Haha, lol at Marineking 2-1 Losira, If Losira doesn't crush mkp 2-0 I will be very surprised
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zyzq
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3123 Posts
February 24 2012 21:27 GMT
#30
On February 25 2012 06:09 Femari wrote:


id like to see a mkp mvp finals again though lol


that's too harsh
See.Blue
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2673 Posts
February 24 2012 21:27 GMT
#31
Hotbids picks for most trolololol worthy finals
Katsura
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany14 Posts
February 24 2012 21:29 GMT
#32
On February 25 2012 05:37 Dac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2012 05:30 ssg wrote:
Prediction: Ret 2 – 0 SaSe

You're so wrong.


I agree with you and also think that

Naniwa 2 - 0 Grubby

is very wrong. I don't think Grubby is the best overall player, but i believe that pvp fits his skills better.



If grubby even takes one game from naniwa ill ...
grubby is definitly not very bad but seriously hes ages away from winning a major tournament or take a game from one of the best protoss players out there
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zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
February 24 2012 21:33 GMT
#33
On February 25 2012 05:30 ssg wrote:
Prediction: Ret 2 – 0 SaSe

You're so wrong.


SaSe's worse matchup is pvz...
FidoDido
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1292 Posts
February 24 2012 21:33 GMT
#34
MVP needs to undergo surgery before he can be the reigning champion again. This is like Flash all over again! Damn you CTS!!
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Tayar
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1439 Posts
February 24 2012 21:35 GMT
#35
i'll give mlg one thing - the quality of competition is just to much of a temptation for a hardcore sc2 fan to pass on. Hoping for a good showing from axslav, mvp and mc.
zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
February 24 2012 21:40 GMT
#36
On February 25 2012 06:09 Femari wrote:
when did Mvp take the title of best TvZ player from MMA?

id like to see a mkp mvp finals again though lol


Mvp really is the best at TvZ when he isn't having wrist problems. (Or at least, he used to be before the ghost nerf)

His endgame mass ghost/PF composition just tears zerg apart, where MMA has an incredibly fun but shakier TvZ. If it had been Mvp playing in the game 7 of Blizzcup it would have been over about 15 minutes quicker and in a much less exciting fashion. MMA has an amazing TvT and one of the best TvZ in the world but I still give Mvp the edge in TvZ (until the patch..)

And yeah, as soon as he fixes his CTS he will start to dominate again, you can hold me to it.
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CFCryptos
Profile Joined December 2011
United States70 Posts
February 24 2012 21:44 GMT
#37
MARINEKING FIGHTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Matkap
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Spain627 Posts
February 24 2012 21:47 GMT
#38
as someone said before me, it says ogsmc
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FluXen
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada210 Posts
February 24 2012 21:50 GMT
#39
loving this new format for news
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xSixGeneralHan
Profile Joined April 2011
United States528 Posts
February 24 2012 21:50 GMT
#40
San beats MVP and ddoro beats socke
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vndods
Profile Joined October 2011
United States3743 Posts
February 24 2012 21:52 GMT
#41
MKP will lose to Losira first round and then take the longest road possible to the finals, where he will inevitably lose to MVP.
namste
Profile Joined October 2010
Finland2292 Posts
February 24 2012 21:55 GMT
#42
I don't agree with Nani vs Grubby, I feel like Grubby will take it. He's actually really good at pvp.
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namste
Profile Joined October 2010
Finland2292 Posts
February 24 2012 21:55 GMT
#43
On February 25 2012 06:52 vndods wrote:
MKP will lose to Losira first round and then take the longest road possible to the finals, where he will inevitably lose to MVP.


Sounds about right.
IM hwaitiing ~ IMMvp #1 | Bang Min Ah <3<3
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
February 24 2012 21:58 GMT
#44
On February 25 2012 05:27 Teacher74 wrote:
Picking Ganzi over DRG. Dayum.


That pick is still a lot more reasonable than predicting a 2-1 Nestea over Demuslim. Can't see Demuslim taking a single game.
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Chenz
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden1197 Posts
February 24 2012 21:58 GMT
#45
On February 25 2012 06:55 namste wrote:
I don't agree with Nani vs Grubby, I feel like Grubby will take it. He's actually really good at pvp.

I know stats isn't everything, but Naniwa's 10 latest games in PvP is 9 wins, and his winrate in pvp since August is 80%. I'd say it's fair to say Naniwa is the favorite in the matchup.
Hossinaut
Profile Joined June 2011
United States453 Posts
February 24 2012 21:59 GMT
#46
Surprised by Ganzi over DRG, looking forward to the matches <3
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7593 Posts
February 24 2012 22:00 GMT
#47
On February 25 2012 05:54 ptrpb wrote:
NAH NI WA
In their tongue he is Dovahkiin, Dragonslayer


Haha priceless........ I'm a HUGE Naniwa fan... but He's up vs Grubby round 1, what can I say..! Either way I'll be a bit sad...
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
February 24 2012 22:03 GMT
#48
On February 25 2012 06:40 zefreak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2012 06:09 Femari wrote:
when did Mvp take the title of best TvZ player from MMA?

id like to see a mkp mvp finals again though lol


Mvp really is the best at TvZ when he isn't having wrist problems. (Or at least, he used to be before the ghost nerf)

His endgame mass ghost/PF composition just tears zerg apart, where MMA has an incredibly fun but shakier TvZ. If it had been Mvp playing in the game 7 of Blizzcup it would have been over about 15 minutes quicker and in a much less exciting fashion. MMA has an amazing TvT and one of the best TvZ in the world but I still give Mvp the edge in TvZ (until the patch..)

And yeah, as soon as he fixes his CTS he will start to dominate again, you can hold me to it.


The ghost style in TvZ is going to be severely weakened post patch though...

As for the hypothetical if MVP were in the Blizzcup finals, DRG never gave MMA the breathing room to transition into ghosts. The game was incredibly close, and going mass ghost requires substantial economy and production time, which no Terran player could have done under the pressure that DRG was applying.

As for who is a better TvZ player right now, MMA or MVP, I would personally say MMA, simply because the ghost nerf will greatly weaken MVP's style.
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Propanelol
Profile Joined October 2011
United States81 Posts
February 24 2012 22:10 GMT
#49
Demuslim fighting! go go upset devil terran!!
zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
February 24 2012 22:17 GMT
#50
On February 25 2012 07:03 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2012 06:40 zefreak wrote:
On February 25 2012 06:09 Femari wrote:
when did Mvp take the title of best TvZ player from MMA?

id like to see a mkp mvp finals again though lol


Mvp really is the best at TvZ when he isn't having wrist problems. (Or at least, he used to be before the ghost nerf)

His endgame mass ghost/PF composition just tears zerg apart, where MMA has an incredibly fun but shakier TvZ. If it had been Mvp playing in the game 7 of Blizzcup it would have been over about 15 minutes quicker and in a much less exciting fashion. MMA has an amazing TvT and one of the best TvZ in the world but I still give Mvp the edge in TvZ (until the patch..)

And yeah, as soon as he fixes his CTS he will start to dominate again, you can hold me to it.


The ghost style in TvZ is going to be severely weakened post patch though...

As for the hypothetical if MVP were in the Blizzcup finals, DRG never gave MMA the breathing room to transition into ghosts. The game was incredibly close, and going mass ghost requires substantial economy and production time, which no Terran player could have done under the pressure that DRG was applying.

As for who is a better TvZ player right now, MMA or MVP, I would personally say MMA, simply because the ghost nerf will greatly weaken MVP's style.


Some good points, you may be right. I definitely agree that this patch will kill Mvp's ZvT (which makes me so sad), it was always so beautiful to see his lategame vZ control.
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Risljaninasim
Profile Joined July 2011
Netherlands228 Posts
February 24 2012 22:18 GMT
#51
I think Grubby will win from Naniwa
;;
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
February 24 2012 22:25 GMT
#52
ogs.MC ..
i wish it would be like that
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BoneDancr
Profile Joined May 2010
United States130 Posts
February 24 2012 22:47 GMT
#53
Anyone know where you can see how many viewers watching the stream?
-end of line
tritonice
Profile Joined November 2010
United States119 Posts
February 24 2012 22:48 GMT
#54
I think Sheth and MarineKing will both win. Unfortunately, I agree with most of the other picks (DeMusliM TT). This is such a loaded tournament. Can't wait to see how it pans out.
Ripebananaa
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada129 Posts
February 24 2012 22:49 GMT
#55
Wtf, I paied for my ''ticket'' yesterday, and got the email confirmation.

I'm trying to watch it now, but it says my MlgID is invalid, and i can't recover my password because it doesn't recognize my email. Wtf is this? I don't know what to do or who to ask..
allyourbase3
Profile Joined April 2011
United States14 Posts
February 24 2012 22:57 GMT
#56
lol, only 3 pages of comments on an MLG event with this many good players. Methinks you fucked up MLG
dnld12
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States324 Posts
February 24 2012 22:58 GMT
#57
Naniwa nestea finals. Artosis said Nestea really practicing. Better believe Zerg bong gonna rip some heads off.
When life gives you Stalkers, Get blink.
Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
February 24 2012 23:08 GMT
#58
Didn't know MVP was injured. Any precise info about that ?

(By the way, MC plays for SK gaming, love it or not.)
SC2 is the best game to watch and was the best to play before I grew old and slow...
namste
Profile Joined October 2010
Finland2292 Posts
February 24 2012 23:59 GMT
#59
On February 25 2012 08:08 Serimek wrote:
Didn't know MVP was injured. Any precise info about that ?

(By the way, MC plays for SK gaming, love it or not.)


I think they are talking about the severe CTS that he has?
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0ceangam3r
Profile Joined November 2010
United States203 Posts
February 25 2012 00:04 GMT
#60
On February 25 2012 06:35 Tayar wrote:
i'll give mlg one thing - the quality of competition is just to much of a temptation for a hardcore sc2 fan to pass on. Hoping for a good showing from axslav, mvp and mc.


yup.
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
February 25 2012 01:36 GMT
#61
On February 25 2012 06:58 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2012 05:27 Teacher74 wrote:
Picking Ganzi over DRG. Dayum.


That pick is still a lot more reasonable than predicting a 2-1 Nestea over Demuslim. Can't see Demuslim taking a single game.


Quoting myself to show how wrong I was. Well played series Demuslim
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BeneTan
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany12 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-25 09:58:27
February 25 2012 09:58 GMT
#62
my mlg vods lag like .... .... and i have to load them for like 30mins each. any tips ?
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