• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 09:17
CET 15:17
KST 23:17
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Clem wins HomeStory Cup 284HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info3herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational14SC2 All-Star Invitational: Tournament Preview5
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jan 26-Feb 1): herO, Clem, ByuN, Classic win2RSL Season 4 announced for March-April7Weekly Cups (Jan 19-25): Bunny, Trigger, MaxPax win3Weekly Cups (Jan 12-18): herO, MaxPax, Solar win0BSL Season 2025 - Full Overview and Conclusion8
StarCraft 2
General
Clem wins HomeStory Cup 28 HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview Stellar Fest "01" Jersey Charity Auction StarCraft 2 Not at the Esports World Cup 2026 Weekly Cups (Jan 26-Feb 1): herO, Clem, ByuN, Classic win
Tourneys
HomeStory Cup 28 $5,000 WardiTV Winter Championship 2026 RSL Season 4 announced for March-April PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 511 Temple of Rebirth The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 510 Safety Violation Mutation # 509 Doomsday Report
Brood War
General
[ASL21] Potential Map Candidates Can someone share very abbreviated BW cliffnotes? 2024 BoxeR's birthday message Liquipedia.net NEEDS editors for Brood War BSL Season 21 - Complete Results
Tourneys
Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 1 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Strategy
Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Current Meta Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Diablo 2 thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread EVE Corporation Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Quickbooks Payroll Service Official Guide Quickbooks Customer Service Official Guide
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Play, Watch, Drink: Esports …
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1628 users

[Code S] RO8 Day Two Wrap Up - Momentum - Page 5

Forum Index > News
90 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 All
Sidders
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands41 Posts
February 17 2012 14:20 GMT
#81
Shame I missed these games, and a big shame MC is out, eventhough Genius might be the better player. Will always enjoy MCs sportmanship!
SlayerS/oGs fan - Former journalist for sites such as MYM/Cadred/LLL and TEK-9 - exCOD4 pro gamer
bundo
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada113 Posts
February 17 2012 14:34 GMT
#82
if it is genius vs DRG the finals are going to be amazing!!!! go-go genius!!
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
February 17 2012 17:43 GMT
#83
I don't know whether anyone's still looking at this thread, but vis-a-vis Genius beating MC at PvP and therefore being the best Protoss in the world, people still consider MC's PvP to be really good.

To put it bluntly, it really isn't. Since the 5th March last year, his Korean PvP record is exactly 50%, as shown here. That's the same as MMA's PvT, shown here.

MMA's PvT is widely considered to be his weakest matchup. MC's PvP should definitely be considered his, but his winrate is inflated by his hulk-smashing of players like HongUn and Ace in his heyday, and in the heyday of 4gate, which was unforgiving but at least a stable build.

When Puzzle or Oz beat MMA last season or this season, opinion didn't show that Oz or Puzzle were considered vastly superior than MMA. This was partly because the matches were closer than a 3-0, but also partly because TvP is well-known and recognised to be MMA's weakest matchup.

People should recognise MC's weakness as well, when making their decisions as to who is the overall better player.
Yaki
Profile Joined April 2011
France4234 Posts
February 17 2012 18:20 GMT
#84
Genius/DRG finals with Genius winning it is my current dream. Make it happen !
MC ■ MarineKing ■ LosirA ■ To someone who has lost after trying his best, no words from the winner can console him.
dextrin303
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden320 Posts
February 18 2012 09:49 GMT
#85
DRG vs Genius finals would be so awesome :D
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-18 10:14:06
February 18 2012 10:06 GMT
#86
On February 18 2012 02:43 SeaSwift wrote:
I don't know whether anyone's still looking at this thread, but vis-a-vis Genius beating MC at PvP and therefore being the best Protoss in the world, people still consider MC's PvP to be really good.

To put it bluntly, it really isn't. Since the 5th March last year, his Korean PvP record is exactly 50%, as shown here. That's the same as MMA's PvT, shown here.

MMA's PvT is widely considered to be his weakest matchup. MC's PvP should definitely be considered his, but his winrate is inflated by his hulk-smashing of players like HongUn and Ace in his heyday, and in the heyday of 4gate, which was unforgiving but at least a stable build.

When Puzzle or Oz beat MMA last season or this season, opinion didn't show that Oz or Puzzle were considered vastly superior than MMA. This was partly because the matches were closer than a 3-0, but also partly because TvP is well-known and recognised to be MMA's weakest matchup.

People should recognise MC's weakness as well, when making their decisions as to who is the overall better player.

Dude do you play protoss? You could beat any pro 30% of time due to BOers. Pros being 50/50 is no big deal. It's random as fuck. One week MC will shut out Huk The next the opposite. and on and on and on. I said in thread when MC got 1 st in his RO16 group and would face Genius that would be his toughest test because of random. Same when Alicia eliminated him same when hong did in both shut outs. It's not a weakness it's random. PartinG could have won those games w MC just as easy.
MC for president
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
February 18 2012 10:33 GMT
#87
On February 18 2012 19:06 tdt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2012 02:43 SeaSwift wrote:
I don't know whether anyone's still looking at this thread, but vis-a-vis Genius beating MC at PvP and therefore being the best Protoss in the world, people still consider MC's PvP to be really good.

To put it bluntly, it really isn't. Since the 5th March last year, his Korean PvP record is exactly 50%, as shown here. That's the same as MMA's PvT, shown here.

MMA's PvT is widely considered to be his weakest matchup. MC's PvP should definitely be considered his, but his winrate is inflated by his hulk-smashing of players like HongUn and Ace in his heyday, and in the heyday of 4gate, which was unforgiving but at least a stable build.

When Puzzle or Oz beat MMA last season or this season, opinion didn't show that Oz or Puzzle were considered vastly superior than MMA. This was partly because the matches were closer than a 3-0, but also partly because TvP is well-known and recognised to be MMA's weakest matchup.

People should recognise MC's weakness as well, when making their decisions as to who is the overall better player.

Dude do you play protoss? You could beat any pro 30% of time due to BOers. Pros being 50/50 is no big deal. It's random as fuck. One week MC will shut out Huk The next the opposite. and on and on and on. I said in thread when MC got 1 st in his RO16 group and would face Genius that would be his toughest test because of random. Same when Alicia eliminated him same when hong did in both shut outs. It's not a weakness it's random. PartinG could have won those games w MC just as easy.


Except they weren't build order wins. Hell, maybe the first one was, when Genius could have gone for a 4gate or not. But the 2nd and 3rd game were not just straight up autoloss for MC, they were Genius outplaying him.
snively
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1159 Posts
February 18 2012 19:08 GMT
#88
i have my money on genius. gogo protoss! :D
My religion is Starcraft
whatthefat
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States918 Posts
February 19 2012 02:00 GMT
#89
I'm looking forward to seeing what DRG can do in the semi-final, and hopefully the final! I mean, yes, he's obviously really good, and in fact he's probably the best Zerg in the world right now. But I'm still finding it a little hard to get excited about his play. It feels almost as though he's the Zerg #1 by default at the moment (i.e., I'm not getting the chills a Leenock or a Nestea can induce). Parting's play wasn't much of a test for DRG, sadly. I only hope we get a Genius vs. DRG final. That, I think, would really test the depth of DRG's ZvP, and the match winner could truly be called the king of their race.
SlayerS_BoxeR: "I always feel sorry towards Greg (Grack?) T_T"
niilzon
Profile Joined October 2010
Belgium105 Posts
February 20 2012 11:28 GMT
#90
On February 17 2012 06:12 neoghaleon55 wrote:
I am so scared for DRG if Genius makes it to the final.
Genius would totally be stealing his thunder.

For DRG's sakes, I hope Genius loses against Alive.
Then DRG's got a chance at his first championship.


Man, your post sums up the truth perfectly.

I don't see DRG win against Genius. However I don't see DRG lose against anyone else
Though I must admit that even if I'm a DRG fanboy, I hope to see him vs Genius in the finals, for the sake of having the highest possible combined skill level in those finals
DeaDoXFighting
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada115 Posts
February 20 2012 16:25 GMT
#91
Can´t wait to see Genius vs DRG in finals! Will be so epic!
Go Liquid Hero !!!!!
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Showmatch
13:00
Solar's EVEN Showmatches
Ryung vs ElazerLIVE!
SHIN vs Bunny
YoungYakov vs Shameless
WardiTV755
TKL 163
Rex114
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 448
TKL 163
Rex 114
trigger 4
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 3867
Rain 2317
Jaedong 1763
GuemChi 1171
EffOrt 1166
Hyuk 603
Stork 484
Larva 411
Soma 369
Leta 282
[ Show more ]
Shuttle 239
ggaemo 227
Rush 197
Soulkey 179
Light 148
Hyun 130
Pusan 127
Mong 116
Snow 87
ToSsGirL 80
JYJ 56
Backho 48
sorry 34
Shinee 25
zelot 25
Free 23
Yoon 18
scan(afreeca) 15
IntoTheRainbow 15
ajuk12(nOOB) 15
GoRush 15
Terrorterran 15
Movie 14
Rock 13
SilentControl 11
ivOry 1
Dota 2
qojqva1605
XcaliburYe132
League of Legends
Reynor78
Counter-Strike
markeloff68
Other Games
hiko616
B2W.Neo454
Happy343
crisheroes314
DeMusliM250
Hui .156
OGKoka 84
Mew2King58
rubinoeu6
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick947
BasetradeTV145
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 16
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• StrangeGG 60
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV470
• Noizen46
League of Legends
• Jankos3400
• TFBlade1253
• Stunt514
Upcoming Events
Big Brain Bouts
2h 44m
goblin vs Kelazhur
TriGGeR vs Krystianer
Replay Cast
9h 44m
RongYI Cup
20h 44m
herO vs Maru
Replay Cast
1d 9h
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 21h
Replay Cast
2 days
Wardi Open
2 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
The PondCast
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-02-05
HSC XXVIII
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Acropolis #4 - TS4
Escore Tournament S1: W7
Rongyi Cup S3
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W8
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
WardiTV Winter 2026
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.