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IEM Global Challenge Kiev: Primer - Page 8

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SargonTheGreat
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States217 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-22 00:35:00
January 22 2012 00:11 GMT
#141
♥Carmac Grassroots gogogrow

Quote Carmac "Look man I'm a platinum player what do I know about sc man?" hahah I love this guy.
"Your Empire falls and you Lose ever Cent," the gza, protect ya neck: enter the wu tang (36 chambers)
TemujinGK
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States483 Posts
January 22 2012 16:50 GMT
#142
This has turned out better than expected. Really looking forward to the final match ^_^.
"Pikachu and Protoss are both yellow, Coincidence?" ~apexMorroW
Gjorg
Profile Joined December 2011
22 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-22 20:08:52
January 22 2012 20:05 GMT
#143
I'm going to be really honest here, IEM Kiev was really bad in general

- Why weren't the stream links on top of the list?
- Bad names, "ESL.tv Event"... what event?
- Chat needed mods and slow mode

- Mr.Bitter and Rotterdam are awful casters, they need to stop being biased and not talk about stuff nobody cares about (e.g. what strategies they like most and then repeat it 50 times during one game and laugh at reaper expand being so good over and over again)
- Was there even a crowd? We never got to see the crowd in action, I only heard them once or twice, a crowd is necessary for nerd chills

...
there's more but i'm tired

im not here to rage i just wanted to help out because im sure A LOT of people think the same

Strivers
Profile Joined November 2010
United States358 Posts
January 22 2012 20:14 GMT
#144
hero is the "korean idra"? stupidest thing i've read in awhile
These little dudes really like the blue stuff..
Strivers
Profile Joined November 2010
United States358 Posts
January 22 2012 20:16 GMT
#145
On January 23 2012 05:05 Gjorg wrote:
I'm going to be really honest here, IEM Kiev was really bad in general

- Why weren't the stream links on top of the list?
- Bad names, "ESL.tv Event"... what event?
- Chat needed mods and slow mode

- Mr.Bitter and Rotterdam are awful casters, they need to stop being biased and not talk about stuff nobody cares about (e.g. what strategies they like most and then repeat it 50 times during one game and laugh at reaper expand being so good over and over again)
- Was there even a crowd? We never got to see the crowd in action, I only heard them once or twice, a crowd is necessary for nerd chills

...
there's more but i'm tired

im not here to rage i just wanted to help out because im sure A LOT of people think the same



Agreed. IEM Kiev one of the worst run tournaments in awhile. player complaints, Zenio "map suck", no HD feed for replay on my iPad, no crowd action, interviewing the loser in a series, etc.

Mr. Bitter always does a great job though..my fav caster

These little dudes really like the blue stuff..
Waterflow
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1550 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-22 21:12:51
January 22 2012 21:11 GMT
#146
Can't say i enjoyed this tournament. The crowd had no energy and just made a really boring/depressed/dull atmosphere. Where was the action?

This tournament just made me remember how good MLG, Dreamhack, IPL etc really is.

IEM Kiev almost felt like an unimportant ladder game compared to above tournaments. You can do better than this!
ChriseC
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany440 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-22 21:43:44
January 22 2012 21:40 GMT
#147
On January 23 2012 05:05 Gjorg wrote:
I'm going to be really honest here, IEM Kiev was really bad in general

- Why weren't the stream links on top of the list?
- Bad names, "ESL.tv Event"... what event?
- Chat needed mods and slow mode

- Mr.Bitter and Rotterdam are awful casters, they need to stop being biased and not talk about stuff nobody cares about (e.g. what strategies they like most and then repeat it 50 times during one game and laugh at reaper expand being so good over and over again)
- Was there even a crowd? We never got to see the crowd in action, I only heard them once or twice, a crowd is necessary for nerd chills

...
there's more but i'm tired

im not here to rage i just wanted to help out because im sure A LOT of people think the same



i agree

iem kiev was a step back in tournament quality, 5 years ago this would be ok but nowadays u should take mlg/gsl finals/ipl as the new standards. especially the stageplay looks so weird in iem, u dont really see where they sit and hows the crowd is going and there are always alot of other random players preparing for their matches whatever, it just doesnt look like real stageplay in general. thats what i dislike at dreamhack aswell that theres no real stage until the finals, it looks alot like theres going on alot more online than on the event itself. seeing mlg i always feel like "wow i would like to be there" but seeing iem i feel like "nah seeing online is good theres not much of a difference".
i always liked mrbitter and rotterdam but this event it was a bit monotoneous, maybe they should rethink abit and try to bring in some more variety
Choboo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden2088 Posts
January 22 2012 21:44 GMT
#148
On January 23 2012 05:05 Gjorg wrote:
I'm going to be really honest here, IEM Kiev was really bad in general

- Why weren't the stream links on top of the list?
- Bad names, "ESL.tv Event"... what event?
- Chat needed mods and slow mode

- Mr.Bitter and Rotterdam are awful casters, they need to stop being biased and not talk about stuff nobody cares about (e.g. what strategies they like most and then repeat it 50 times during one game and laugh at reaper expand being so good over and over again)
- Was there even a crowd? We never got to see the crowd in action, I only heard them once or twice, a crowd is necessary for nerd chills

...
there's more but i'm tired

im not here to rage i just wanted to help out because im sure A LOT of people think the same


I agree with most of this but Rotterdam is the best thing that has ever happened to SC2 and he seems to really go well with MrBitter. The casting was really great
SaSe fan club manager
Waterflow
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1550 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-22 22:22:23
January 22 2012 22:20 GMT
#149
On January 23 2012 06:44 Choboo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 05:05 Gjorg wrote:
I'm going to be really honest here, IEM Kiev was really bad in general

- Why weren't the stream links on top of the list?
- Bad names, "ESL.tv Event"... what event?
- Chat needed mods and slow mode

- Mr.Bitter and Rotterdam are awful casters, they need to stop being biased and not talk about stuff nobody cares about (e.g. what strategies they like most and then repeat it 50 times during one game and laugh at reaper expand being so good over and over again)
- Was there even a crowd? We never got to see the crowd in action, I only heard them once or twice, a crowd is necessary for nerd chills

...
there's more but i'm tired

im not here to rage i just wanted to help out because im sure A LOT of people think the same


I agree with most of this but Rotterdam is the best thing that has ever happened to SC2 and he seems to really go well with MrBitter. The casting was really great


yeah RotterdaM (especially RotterdaM ) and MrBitter are great. Only complaint i have about them though is that they should start focusing more on the casting and stop blabbering so much about random stuff . Ofcourse it's fun if they talk about random stuff now and then but aslong as they don't do it too often.

And the blalalalalalalalalalala about one player over and over and over and over again get's tiresome. We get that you like Kas, Dimaga and HappyZerg. But talking about it all the time takes focus away from the actual game and casting and it's really a bit biased to some extent. We get it they are good players and nice guys and HappyZerg "can lift a car" or whatever XD.

You can talk about that on your free time guys :D The jokes are appreciated and everything but don't salt and pepper too much... keep it evenly seasoned!
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10864 Posts
January 23 2012 01:20 GMT
#150
On January 19 2012 14:38 Sliver wrote:
WOW that is a lot of Protoss.


That's exactly what my first thought was as well! And... Awesome pic with QXC !! ^_^ , I love how his hair is blowing in the wind with the statue of liberty and the eagle on his chest, so epic
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
mariogames142
Profile Joined January 2012
India1 Post
January 23 2012 05:34 GMT
#151
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Corsica
Profile Joined February 2011
Ukraine1854 Posts
January 23 2012 14:46 GMT
#152
On January 23 2012 06:11 Waterflow wrote:
Can't say i enjoyed this tournament. The crowd had no energy and just made a really boring/depressed/dull atmosphere. Where was the action?

This tournament just made me remember how good MLG, Dreamhack, IPL etc really is.

IEM Kiev almost felt like an unimportant ladder game compared to above tournaments. You can do better than this!


Yeah after HSC4 compared to this level of production it looked silly, but for me its not that important, I enjoyed games a lot especially Zenio-Kas series, best series of the year for now (1. Its Korean code S class vs top EU terran 2. Its TvZ 3. Did I mention its foreigner vs korean? :D). But tbh I feel that IEM tournaments dont fell like important ones for some reasons
Corsica
Profile Joined February 2011
Ukraine1854 Posts
January 23 2012 14:50 GMT
#153
Also, Its because of the country, you cant expect to go to Germany and then to Ukraine and receive same production quality because its much poorer country and therefore people dont care about e-sports that much (but cs :D). If we will have IEM [Insert poorer country] then most likely production/spectator base would be lower.
Necosarius
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden4042 Posts
January 23 2012 19:32 GMT
#154
Are there any pictures from this event?
Waterflow
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1550 Posts
January 24 2012 19:41 GMT
#155
On January 23 2012 23:50 Corsica wrote:
Also, Its because of the country, you cant expect to go to Germany and then to Ukraine and receive same production quality because its much poorer country and therefore people dont care about e-sports that much (but cs :D). If we will have IEM [Insert poorer country] then most likely production/spectator base would be lower.


Hopefully more people in Ukraine will get more interested in SC2 then I just want you to know im not bashing on your country in any way. It's great that you have a tournament like this in Ukraine.

I don't know if it's so much about poorer country maybe more that as you said cs is what most people play in Ukraine? Maybe now with this tournament more Ukrainians will open their eyes for Starcraft 2.

In my case i got interested in Starcraft 2 when Dreamhack Invitational Stockholm started. I watched the whole tournament and i fell in love with Starcraft 2 and the community

So hopefully if there's a new tournament in Ukraine people will be more cheerful then . Afterall Dimaga and Kas did well there so there should already be some new Ukrainian SC2 fans born.
GuYuTe-
Profile Joined February 2005
United States550 Posts
January 25 2012 11:08 GMT
#156
The casting was the only redeeming quality regarding the production of this tourney imo. The skill level was there for near MLG-esque epicness but it just felt a bit lackluster in the end. I'm sure they'll get 'em next time!
JawHun
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States151 Posts
January 26 2012 17:10 GMT
#157
That's the best picture of QXC ever. Oh my god yes
Lortab
Profile Joined January 2011
United States20 Posts
January 26 2012 18:50 GMT
#158
Did Dimaga beat MMA?? Cant find results anywhere.
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