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[GSL] Code S S1 - Keen and the Bonjwa - Page 2

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heha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia425 Posts
January 18 2012 23:06 GMT
#21
Nada fighting!

But yeah, Keen looked pretty solid against him from their last match (was it KSL?), and I'm not sure he can make it out of this group T.T But still, Nada fighting!
Random for life! phoneheha
Aando
Profile Joined August 2011
1304 Posts
January 18 2012 23:10 GMT
#22
Even as a Zerg player, Parting has been the one I've just been dying to see this GSL. I saw him a while ago and he's the first protoss in a long time that really impressed me. PLEASEPLEASEPLEASE dont choke!
FidoDido
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1292 Posts
January 18 2012 23:10 GMT
#23
Everytime I predict against Fionn in my liquibet, I win them!
LGIMSeed FantasyToss~~ Hipster Seed fan before he made Code A
pPingu
Profile Joined September 2011
Switzerland2892 Posts
January 18 2012 23:13 GMT
#24
I have the same predictions

But I'm willing to sacrifice my liquibets for nada, impossible to not like him
Vronti
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States111 Posts
January 18 2012 23:16 GMT
#25
Very nice write up, makes me really want to see the Keen vs Nada match haha, too much homework for that unfortunately though =/ ah well. Was a great read.
"By three methods we may learn wisdom: First, by reflection, which is noblest; Second, by imitation, which is easiest; and third by experience, which is the bitterest." — Confucius
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
January 18 2012 23:16 GMT
#26
Keen vs NaDa again.

I'm so excited.

Last time these two players met Keen absolutely demolished him.
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ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
January 18 2012 23:16 GMT
#27
On January 19 2012 08:10 FidoDido wrote:
Everytime I predict against Fionn in my liquibet, I win them!

It is pretty much within the safest bets to go along with the Fionn Curse
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
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OgsStump
Profile Joined March 2011
128 Posts
January 18 2012 23:21 GMT
#28
I think there's a deeper issue than top level protoss players being inconsistent here. I think the issue may be a deeper game design or metagame issue. It just seems that it's tough for protoss players to be consistently good. While there are some well mapped out strategies that can give protoss players a good chance of winning I believe protoss is the most difficult race to consistently produce results from. It seems like Protoss players have to take more risks in either the economic game or by doing a timing attack. While if these risks pay off the P player comes out with a lead and often will win the game, if these don't pay off or if the opponent exploits them the opposite is true. One example is When you take your expansion in P v T. Going one gate expand or nexus first is a pretty big risk i would argue more so than the typical terran openers just because more pressure builds from T are able to make you cancel/lose the nexus and the fact that terran can lift their CC. If the P does this risk they can keep up or even get a lead on a Terran if not they can fall way behind in supply/economy. In P v Z it revolves more around taking the third base because of the typical use of the FFE. If a protoss can't secure a relatively early third then the zerg can easily overpower P with sheer numbers.

Note I'm not claiming that Z's and T's don't have to take risks in their play, obviously they do. Nor am I arguing that protoss is severely underpowered or even underpowered at all (game probably needs to develop a bit more). I just think that in the recent GSL months even going back to the days when MC was winning the GSL we've seen the must fluxuation out of the top level protoss players compared to the other races because during this period it seems protoss players depends the most on what risks they take in game to gain a lead or prevent from falling behind. This is why protoss players will often look brilliant and other times look horrible. Obviously there are a hundred other factors that could go into protoss struggles but if you guys think there is any truth to this or not? I think Protoss still has a lot of potential and may even be OP when it comes to the late game but the problem for P has always been getting there with an entirely developed economy and tech tree and economy without falling too far behind.
Ollie
Profile Joined October 2011
United States144 Posts
January 18 2012 23:22 GMT
#29
I listed Parting and Keen to advance as well. Hopefully you're right this time =D
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Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
January 18 2012 23:28 GMT
#30
On January 19 2012 08:00 Nuclease wrote:
Whoah....didn't know that NaDa and KeeN hated each other so much hahaha...

Keen is like that little kid who tries to act tough and picks a fight with one of the big boys, and Nada just shrugs his shoulders and roflstomps him every time.
Its more like Keen hates Nada, but Nada views Keen as a bug on the windshield lol.
¯\_(シ)_/¯
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
January 18 2012 23:29 GMT
#31
NaDa better backhand Keen out of this group.

The older generations have to teach these young uns why legends are never born.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 18 2012 23:30 GMT
#32
Puzzle and Keen are my predictions, but I hope Puzzle and Nada advance.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
RoninShogun
Profile Joined November 2010
United States315 Posts
January 18 2012 23:32 GMT
#33
lol MKP's glasses came in second... shame, really
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bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
January 18 2012 23:36 GMT
#34
I expect Keen and Puzzle....

...but Fionn said Keen and Parting so I feel bad for Keen already =/

Come on Fionn, this is the one time I want you to get something right!
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Serinox
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany5224 Posts
January 18 2012 23:39 GMT
#35
On January 19 2012 08:02 MildSeven wrote:
I want to see Nada beat Keen for the entirety of Nada's career, so that even if Keen wins a GSL or achieves something big, the memory of Nada will always be a thorn on his side until he dies of cancer because that thorn boiled up into a tumour caused by stress and depression while Nada remains a bawler nerd, wins the presidency of South Korea and announces his invented cure of cancer (sold on Nadamall) after Keen reached the late stages of cancer when the cure doesn't work. Nada will be on the bedside of Keen as Keen gasps for his last breath and Nada will wisper in his ears "I..am...Nada".


You're winning. I would love to see that as a short movie.
devPLEASE
Profile Joined March 2011
Kenya605 Posts
January 18 2012 23:39 GMT
#36
Hopefully Puzzle NaDa as my LB depends on it.
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13JackaL
Profile Joined March 2011
United States577 Posts
January 18 2012 23:48 GMT
#37
On January 19 2012 08:21 OgsStump wrote:
I think there's a deeper issue than top level protoss players being inconsistent here. I think the issue may be a deeper game design or metagame issue. It just seems that it's tough for protoss players to be consistently good. While there are some well mapped out strategies that can give protoss players a good chance of winning I believe protoss is the most difficult race to consistently produce results from. It seems like Protoss players have to take more risks in either the economic game or by doing a timing attack. While if these risks pay off the P player comes out with a lead and often will win the game, if these don't pay off or if the opponent exploits them the opposite is true. One example is When you take your expansion in P v T. Going one gate expand or nexus first is a pretty big risk i would argue more so than the typical terran openers just because more pressure builds from T are able to make you cancel/lose the nexus and the fact that terran can lift their CC. If the P does this risk they can keep up or even get a lead on a Terran if not they can fall way behind in supply/economy. In P v Z it revolves more around taking the third base because of the typical use of the FFE. If a protoss can't secure a relatively early third then the zerg can easily overpower P with sheer numbers.

Note I'm not claiming that Z's and T's don't have to take risks in their play, obviously they do. Nor am I arguing that protoss is severely underpowered or even underpowered at all (game probably needs to develop a bit more). I just think that in the recent GSL months even going back to the days when MC was winning the GSL we've seen the must fluxuation out of the top level protoss players compared to the other races because during this period it seems protoss players depends the most on what risks they take in game to gain a lead or prevent from falling behind. This is why protoss players will often look brilliant and other times look horrible. Obviously there are a hundred other factors that could go into protoss struggles but if you guys think there is any truth to this or not? I think Protoss still has a lot of potential and may even be OP when it comes to the late game but the problem for P has always been getting there with an entirely developed economy and tech tree and economy without falling too far behind.


Why are you writing this here?
and my axe
Moosy
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada396 Posts
January 18 2012 23:52 GMT
#38
If you aren't a NaDa fan then god help you.
tDKyou
Profile Joined September 2011
United States202 Posts
January 18 2012 23:52 GMT
#39
Ahh, I hope both Keen and NaDa get out.. It would be kind of interesting to see a Keen vs NaDa finals :p
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
January 18 2012 23:53 GMT
#40
I'm so confused. You said you thought Puzzle would have an advantage over parting in PvP, then you predicted parting to beat puzzle in the first round. w/e my predictions
Puzzle>Parting
Keen>Nada
Nada>Parting
Keen>Puzzle
Puzzle>Nada
Puzzle and Keen advance.
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