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[SPL] Round 2 Week 2 - There's an App for that

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[SPL] Round 2 Week 2 - There's an App for that

Text byKiante
Graphics byHawaiianPig
January 16th, 2012 12:36 GMT

Team 8, Team 8, Team 8. You've heard me go on about them for some time. You've also watched them stumble through R1 and into R2, losing to anyone and everyone. This week, however, the unthinkable happened. They went out and beat a marauding CJ. How did that happen? I dunno, but CSheep has some theories.

Long story short though, CJ is 5-2 R1 and 1-2 R2 so far. And there, my friends, is Professional Starcraft for you.

As we all know, it ain't over till Fantasy ggs.

Games aside, there was exciting news from Korea this week, with KeSPA releasing an Android/iOS app for Proleague. Be sure to read on as our man about town SirJolt puts it to the test and shows you how to get Proleague results without typing. What a remarkable age we live in. Want to know what else you can do without a single key press? Catch up on last week's games and look forward to the week ahead.

Our ESPORT came first, our bonjwas are better than your bonjwas, we have our own team league and now we have an app.

Broodwar4Lyfe!

-- riptide


Table of Contents


Recaps:
R2 W2


Team Spotlight

Proleague App

Previews:
R2 W3


Check out the SK Planet Proleague 2011-2012 on Liquipedia


Recaps, Round 2 Week 2

By: Kiante


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KT Rolster 3 - 0 Team Eight[image loading]

(Z)HoeJJa « Outlier » (P)Jaehoon
(T)Flash « Ground Zero» (Z)Jaedong
(P)Stats « Sniper Ridge » (T)BaBy
« Electric Circuit »
« Jade »



The reasons for the poor form of Team 8 were hotly debated after they were summarily destroyed by KT. What sparked the discussion wasn’t so much the 3-0 scoreline, but more the manner in which the players lost. Jaedong and Baby in particular looked in spectacularly bad form. Jaedong lost to a simple pre-muta bio push because he decided not to make any creep colonies. Baby then came out and got his 4 factory push destroyed by a handful of Stats’ goons after a disasterous attempt to push out of his main base. Jaehoon’s loss to Hoejja came from him failing to have sight of the back mineral patches and dying to a Hydra bust. The common theme among these losses was a failure to implement basic scouting techniques, showing just how unsettled Team 8 must be and increasing their loss streak to six.


[image loading]Woongjin Stars 3 - 2 SK Telecom T1
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(Z)ZerO « Jade » (T)Fantasy
(T)sin « Sniper Ridge » (P)Bisu
(T)Light « Ground Zero » (Z)soO
(Z)Soulkey « Chain Reaction » (P)BeSt
(P)Flying « Electric Circuit » (P)Sun


The start of a bad week for SKT fans was defined by Bisu’s loss to Hon_sin. After managing to clean up Hon_sin’s 2 factory push due to a failure to bring reinforcing marines and bringing the match to a fairly even state Bisu fell to the follow up 6 fac. For a player who has publicly said that his PvT was improving at the end of last season Bisu showed no real feel for the matchup, being completely fooled by Hon_sin and being unable to show some of the prowess that other protoss have shown in the matchup recently (specifically Stats). The other matches in this series went pretty much to formula. Zero disappointed against an in-form Fantasy, Light showed why his TvZ is still untouchable, Best utilised his new-found PvZ form and Sun was taken out in his worst matchup PvP by the unlikely sniper Flying.


[image loading]Samsung KHAN 3 - 1 Air Force ACE[image loading]

(T)Sharp « Electric Circuit » (Z)Orion
(Z)Shine « Outlier » (P)Kal
(P)Brave « Chain Reaction » (Z)Chavi
(P)Stork « Jade » (T)PianO
« Ground Zero »


After such an encouraging start to the season it seems like Ace is starting to fall off. Despite their win over Team 8 last week, their performance against Khan was like one of old. Although Orion managed a win over Sharp, the rest of the games were relatively short and quite one sided. With Khan being able to play Stork and Jangbi in their later sets and their less well known players like Shine and Brave picking up wins it seems like their charge up the rankings back to number one might be starting again.


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SK Telecom T1 2 - 3 STX Soul[image loading]

(P)Sun « Ground Zero » (T)Bogus
(P)Bisu « Chain Reaction » (P)Trap
(T)Fantasy « Electric Circuit » (T)Classic
(P)BeSt « Sniper Ridge » (T)Last
(Z)Hyuk « Outlier » (Z)Modesty


Yet another stab to my heart occurred in the form of an SKT loss and was made all the more painful by the fact that it meant that STX moved above SKT on the ladder for the first time in a long time. Bogus easily crushed Sun in a short game with Sun attempting to be a little too greedy and essentially dying to a straight FD. Bisu returned the favour punishing Trap for an attempted early expansion in an equally short game. Fantasy out classed classic in a split map TvT and Best disappointed against an in form Last who easily took down the PvT specialist dealing well with Best’s attempted 2 base Carrier build with ease. Finally Hyuk came out and after a the irrational decision of cancelling his expansion hatchery after 12 pooling against an overpool was easily cleaned up by Modesty (Medesty?) to give STX the victory. This series showed the possibility for anti-climactic 5th sets in the new format which was a by product of both the teams front loading their talent to attempt to finish the series before it came to a deciding 5th game.


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KT Rolster 3 - 0 Woongjin Stars[image loading]

(P)Wooki « Chain Reaction » (Z)ZerO
(P)Stats « Jade » (P)sHy
(Z)Crazy-Hydra « Outlier » (T)Light
« Ground Zero »
« Sniper Ridge »



There was a definite feeling of Déjà vu in the air with KT’s second game of the week. Once again they won with a quick 3-0 victory with most of the games being quite quick and disappointing. After getting in a good position against Wooki, Zero managed to fall apart, losing his entire army of hydralurk to some good storms from the KT protoss and being unable to make up the deficit after it happened. Stats easily dispatched of sHy holding off a 3 gate push against his earlier nexus with a well timed reaver and riding his economic advantage to victory with a strong 3 base push. With Stars needing to win or else they sent out their TvZ specialist Light to deal with Crazy-Hydra. Unfortunately due to Light being unable to glitch an SCV through his wall to scout, he lifted his barracks just as 8 speedlings arrived at his door and his death was quick and painless after that. KT are really on fire right now and have more than earned their spot at the top of the table.


[image loading]Team 8 3 - 1 CJ Entus[image loading]

(Z)Jaedong « Sniper Ridge » (Z)EffOrt
(P)Tyson « Electric Circuit » (T)Leta
(P)Jaehoon « Jade » (P)Horang2
(T)Sea « Outlier » (Z)Hydra
« Chain Reaction »


After racking up a 6 game loss streak Team 8 finally kicked their funk out of the way and got down to business, taking down CJ convincingly and knocking them off the top of the table to be usurped by KT. After so much criticism and debate surrounded Team 8 after their disappointing loss to KT earlier in the week they silenced the critics with one fell swoop. Even though Jaedong lost in the face of a build order advantage that Effort got with a 12 hatch, the rest of the Team 8 players stood up and took the victory while even being able to rest Baby. Leta was quickly dispatched by a fast 2 gate DT build from Tyson after making no real detection apart from mines. Jaehoon took out the PvP specialist Horang2 with some good dragoon micro and a favourable build order and finally Sea took out Hydra in an impressive game on the unfavourable map for terran, Outlier. All in all it was a good shot to the system for Team 8 and they showed that maybe they can become a threat this season after all.

Team Spotlight: Team 8


Making bad titles since 2011
By: Carnivorous Sheep


Fun fact: T8 is the team owned by most participants of FPL currently. Among many others, this is but one tidbit that reflects the high hopes held for T8, the Dream Team.

Unfortunately, dreams and reality often have a distance between them. For most of the past two months, T8 simply displayed disappointment, not promise. Against all logic and reason, T8’s star-studded lineup fell, and fell, and kept on falling until they rested uncomfortably at the bottom of the rankings. Cries of anger and resentment echoed across the net, and Korean netizens and TLers alike expressed doubt at T8, at Coach Ju and the coaching staff, at the practice regimen – at anything and everything.

On the other hand, I remain quite unmoved. “So what?” I ask. A common quirk among Broodwar fans, or at least a very vocal one, is the tendency to bandwagon quickly and ferociously based on the results of just a few games. Cries of “slump” and “bonjwa” came fast and often, and though more subdued today, their spirit remains, especially in the treatment of T8. The attitude shift in just two months towards the Dream Team is astounding – from fans of all teams acknowledging that T8 is a contender for the throne to completely disregarding T8 as a factor.

I admit, a six game losing streak is not cause for celebration. But nor, I will argue, should it be cause for the amount of distress seen today. Posts dedicated to exploring the “why” behind T8’s “failure” and expectations of “fast and lopsided” losses abound. But if we take a step back and observe the situation on a larger scale, I think it’s not nearly as abysmal as one would think looking just at the 3-7 record and the six game losing streak.

The bottom line is, all teams lose, sometimes embarrassingly. As Tossgirl famously said, “the skill between progamers is as thin as a sheet of paper.” Progaming is a world when the smallest slip-up have dire and embarrassing consequences, and the result is, everybody loses sometimes. Simply and vulgarly: Shit happens.

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Sometimes that winning feeling can be elusive


Some of the shit T8 had to go through:

Sea got 7 TvPs in a row, to the extent that he lamented in last night’s interview “I didn’t want to play vP, it’s just a coincidence. I really wish I could get a break, 7 TvPs have exhausted all my strategies.” All that was needed for Sea was a breath of fresh air in the form of an easy TvZ victory. “Now that I ended my losing streak, it won’t matter if I get TvP again.”

All-ins. Lots of all-ins. Personally, I think losing to an all-in indicates very little about the skill of either player. More important is the effect on the confidence of the losing party. Jaehoon: “I don’t understand why everyone always cheeses me. I was the victim too many times. But today, I also all-in’ed, which proves I am also capable of winning with all-ins.”

BO losses. They suck, they happen, it’s a part of progaming. Oh well, not a big deal. T8 has had its fair share of them. A small segue: the only BO losses that seemed inexcusable to me were Jaedong’s. The game against Canata was very ugly, but it was (barely) within tolerable bounds. Against Flash, however, there really was no excuse. Greed? A complete lack of preparation? Just a momentary lapse? It’s undeniable that Jaedong has been underperforming. Whether this trend continues is anyone’s guess. Jaedong has gone through mini-slumps before and always rebounded quite well; are we still just worried over nothing? Also remember that an under-performing Jaedong is still a force to be reckoned with.

T8 remains a strong team. The initial allure that attracted so much hope still remains – Jaedong is still Jaedong, Baby and Sea are still Baby and Sea, and T8 has no shortage of good players. We have seen countless times in the past strong teams falter and struggle for a few rounds: SKT often falls behind in the early rounds of the past few years, but always manages to pull back; Khan is always wildly inconsistent; even this season, STX climbs from eighth to fourth and SKT drops to the bottom half all within the span of two months. Short term results mean nothing. All that is needed is confidence, and one little kick of momentum to get them going…

I write with smug satisfaction at the result of the match between the last place team, T8, obviously the weakest link of the entire Proleague, vs. the top dog, the mighty and unstoppable CJ Entus last night.

Sheet of paper indeed.

Introducing: The Proleague App


Making Professional Brood War More App-etizing Since 2012.
By: SirJolt

If you're anything like me, you've spent those hours in class just wondering how the proleague results panned out, too lazy to take out a laptop and check. Until now, the only sure option available had been to trudge through Liquipedia and dig up the results you were looking for; it's not that there's anything wrong with Liquipedia, but let's not kid ourselves, we live in the future now, and the idea that anyone would go to all the time and effort of actually typing things out is sheerest silliness. I can’t type with these hands; these are a poet’s hands. The very idea…

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Art by fishuu


Fortunately, Kespa has released an app for Android and iOS devices that should alleviate the hurt of tedious hunt-and-peck that so plagues us. It's as straightforward as you could possibly imagine, with a layout that feels near-identical on both platforms without feeling out-of-place on either.

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For those of us without lives, the calendar tells us what days we’ll be sleeping through.


For the moment, there's not an awful lot to be said; it functions well and, with the possible exception of some minor awkwardness in phrasing/spelling, it's actually pretty difficult to find much to complain about. Ranking data is presented neatly and in tables, and the event listing has a pop-up calendar to facilitate easily seeing what's scheduled for any given day (or looking up results from past matches). There's also an option to "favourite" players so that you can check on them more easily, if you're so inclined. You don’t even need to type player names, you can just browse lists; another victory for those of us who can’t endure the nightmare of type.

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Yes, Hyvva, don’t ask.


The only real confusion for the moment is that the iOS app doesn't seem to have nearly as many options for checking the rankings of individual players, or if it does they're located somewhere more out of the way than under Android. Hopefully those are teething issues along the way to a more standardised experience on both platforms.

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This screen lacks the options along the top in iOS, perhaps ending the Android/iPhone debate forever.(Also, this image stolen from OopsOopsBaby)


In summary: Destroy your keyboards, friends, cast off your techno-shackles. Where we’re going, you won’t need them.

Previews, Round 2 Week 3

By: mustaju

Current Proleague Prediction Challenge Progress:


MatchesPredictedActualGain/Loss
Current4
KT Rolster v Team 83 - 13 - 0+1
SK Telecom T1 v Woongjin Stars3 - 22 - 3-1
Air Force ACE v Samsung KHAN 3 - 21 - 3-2
SK Telecom T1 v STX SouL3 - 22 - 3-1
KT Rolster v Woongjin Stars2 - 33 - 0-2
CJ Entus v Team 83 - 11 - 3-2
Final-3

+ Show Spoiler [The Rules] +
If I predict the winner and the result correctly, 3 points
If I predict the winner correctly, and the result is off by 1, 1 point
If I predict the winner correctly and the result is off by 2, 0 points
If I predict the winner wrong, and the result is off by 1, -1 points
If I predict the winner wrong and the result is off by more than one, -2 points.


Tuesday, January 17th

[image loading] Air Force ACE vs. SK Telecom T1
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If you know what happened to these two teams, let me know, because I'm not entirely sure. The analysis of SKT always starts with FBB, so I'll start there. Fantasy is doing well, no question about that. The man has earned his rank on Power Rank and is probably SKT's ACE right now. Bisu and Best however... seem like complete opposites of what made them great in some games. BeSt is known for solid, albeit predictable play with lots of macro. Bisu is known for spectacular micromanagement. Then last week, Bisu failed spectacularly against Hon_sin, despite the rookie Terran's botched 2 factory build and despite being 20 supply ahead in one point of the game with one expo ahead. BeSt followed up with a 2 base carrier build, which was promptly demolished by a superbly playing Last who would definitely have had more trouble against BeSt expanding like a madman or pressuring his front. The SKT Zergs maintain their level of suck, and Sun's nerves failed him miserably against Bogus. Against ACE, my recommendation for SKT would be to play players like s2 and Ssak, both to be less predictable and to allow the slumpers a bit of reprieve.

ACE was looking really strong when Kal won his games with superb micro against Stork, ZerO and Sea. FBH looks decent, and I begrudgingly must say even Canata is performing above expectations, with special cards PianO and Iris ready to demolish any unsuspecting Terrans and Zergs on the way. Then how did ACE suddenly switch gears to "we play Chavi and orion now, hur-dur"? And how did Kal look suddenly helpless against Shine? No idea. I am all for switching up the lineup a bit, but it backfired immensely. They can't allow themselves the same mistake against SKT.

While SKT lost their previous two games, they lost them by a very close margin, whereas ACE was pretty much crushed, so I am inclined to give this to SKT, who will likely surge up in the rankings again. ACE can win this, but bar a spectacular failure of one of the FBB, it will take great snipes to have a decent chance.

My prediction: ACE 1-3 SKT

Wednesday, January 18th

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KT Rolster vs. STX SouL
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December seems so long ago now. STX and KT switched last place between themselves like playing a game of "hot potato", and spirits were low. Then, all of a sudden, came the wins. It was to be expected from KT Rolster, who made great acquisitions in the form of Mind and Wooki and who played Stats and Flash to spectacular effect, yet no one thought STX would perform so well, so I'll focus on them today. The Terran duo in Last and Bogus is a very solid 1-2 punch, both streaking high. While Bogus has admittedly the more spectacular games, Last is content with his 6-0 streak. Dear, the STX fanfavorite as of late, is also still undefeated 3-0, but also untested against non-Terran. Where STX shines is it's Terran and Protoss lines. KT should also be wary of Shuttle, who might easily be ready to attempt to snipe Flash again. You should never underestimate anyone who has the balls to go D-web against the Ultimate weapon.

What about the results themselves? STX has shown spectacular sniping, KT a bit less so. KT seems more solid overall, but if I trust any non-Flash non-Fantasy player to beat Stats into a pulp at the moment, it's going to be Bogus. Last is untested against Zerg and might not have what it takes vs. Flash or Stats, but I favor him over any player that is not one of them. Mini and Calm might pop out of nowhere to snatch unsuspected wins, but so might Mind and Crazy-Hydra. It should be a spectacular match that you should definitely watch, so tune in!

My prediction: + Show Spoiler +
I haven't favored STX once during this entire prediction series. I also rarely predict upsets, so maybe I should vary it up a little.
KT Rolster 2-3 STX SouL (upset!) (OK, maybe a bit of fanboyism too)
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Mustaju's complaints about the SPL macot were silenced now that he has his own Bogus Vulture to compete with the obviously superior Bisu Pylon



This Proleague update was brought to you by Team Liquid's SPL 2011-12 R2 coverage team - riptide, HawaiianPig, Kiante, mustaju and SirJolt, with guest writer Carnivorous Sheep. Special thanks to Simplistik for the standings tables and fishuu for the art. See you all next week!

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2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9497 Posts
January 16 2012 12:39 GMT
#2
Team 8 - I believe in you!

Sick write-up guys, bw4lyfe yo~
Moderator"We're a community of geniuses because we've found how to extract 95% of the feeling of doing something amazing without actually doing anything." - Chill
astroorion
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1022 Posts
January 16 2012 12:40 GMT
#3
I am so glad there is a Proleague App, I have been waiting for something similar for a while. Great writeup!
MLG Admin | Astro.631 NA
mustaju
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Estonia4504 Posts
January 16 2012 12:44 GMT
#4
Poll: Which is more awesome?

Bisu Pylon (187)
 
52%

Bogus Vulture (175)
 
48%

362 total votes

Your vote: Which is more awesome?

(Vote): Bisu Pylon
(Vote): Bogus Vulture

WriterBrows somewhat high. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndFysO2JunE
careohx
Profile Joined June 2011
263 Posts
January 16 2012 12:45 GMT
#5
Brood War you cant die fast enough

User was temp banned for this post.
Atoissen
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway1737 Posts
January 16 2012 12:45 GMT
#6
Gogo Team 8, I believe! =)

PS: What is up with Jaedong??What is it now 4 losses in a row?
“Strength lies not in defense but in attack.”
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
January 16 2012 12:46 GMT
#7
just fyi, none of the links work
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
HawaiianPig
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada5155 Posts
January 16 2012 12:46 GMT
#8
Bisu Pylon walls out Bogus Vulture, gg.
AdministratorNot actually Hawaiian.
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
January 16 2012 12:46 GMT
#9
Rofl the Bogus Vulture. Best drawing yet.
SirJolt
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
the Dagon Knight4002 Posts
January 16 2012 12:46 GMT
#10
On January 16 2012 21:44 mustaju wrote:
Poll: Which is more awesome?

Bisu Pylon (187)
 
52%

Bogus Vulture (175)
 
48%

362 total votes

Your vote: Which is more awesome?

(Vote): Bisu Pylon
(Vote): Bogus Vulture



Wow, no option for Joltphone.

Mustaju so jealous it's starting to show
Moderator@SirJolt
Kiante
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7069 Posts
January 16 2012 12:48 GMT
#11
On January 16 2012 21:46 Cambium wrote:
just fyi, none of the links work

Are you sure? they're working on my end
Writer
mustaju
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Estonia4504 Posts
January 16 2012 12:48 GMT
#12
On January 16 2012 21:46 SirJolt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 21:44 mustaju wrote:
Poll: Which is more awesome?

Bisu Pylon (187)
 
52%

Bogus Vulture (175)
 
48%

362 total votes

Your vote: Which is more awesome?

(Vote): Bisu Pylon
(Vote): Bogus Vulture



Wow, no option for Joltphone.

Mustaju so jealous it's starting to show

I believe Joltphone is an entirely different paradigm of beauty which my feeble mind yet has to grasp. p_o
WriterBrows somewhat high. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndFysO2JunE
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
January 16 2012 12:49 GMT
#13
bogus vulture ! :D awesome
Stork[gm]
Kiante
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7069 Posts
January 16 2012 12:50 GMT
#14
Poll: What is better?

Joltphone picture (32)
 
71%

Mustaju's Jealousy (13)
 
29%

45 total votes

Your vote: What is better?

(Vote): Joltphone picture
(Vote): Mustaju's Jealousy

Writer
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-16 13:42:24
January 16 2012 12:51 GMT
#15
edit : everything works
Stork[gm]
Keone
Profile Joined April 2011
United States812 Posts
January 16 2012 12:51 GMT
#16
I've got to say. The Bogus Vulture is damn badass.

BW 4 LYFE
BW Forever. Flash is the Ultimate Bonjwa.
Kiante
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7069 Posts
January 16 2012 12:52 GMT
#17
On January 16 2012 21:51 bgx wrote:
links in 1st paragraph give me
"You do not have permission to view this thread. Click here to view the forum index. "

im using Internet explorer (im at work)


should be fixed now
Writer
riptide
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
5673 Posts
January 16 2012 12:52 GMT
#18
On January 16 2012 21:51 bgx wrote:
links in 1st paragraph give me
"You do not have permission to view this thread. Click here to view the forum index. "

im using Internet explorer (im at work)


Sorry about that. This issue was fixed. You should be good to go!
AdministratorSKT T1 | Masters of the Universe
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
January 16 2012 13:00 GMT
#19
Thanks for the writeup

KT vs STX should be pretty awesome
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
Jejune
Profile Joined April 2010
29 Posts
January 16 2012 13:03 GMT
#20
Nice nice nice... But Mustaju, it's 'no one'. As in "no one is better at making predictions than Mustaju".

Fuck 'Noone'. That guy's an asshole. And he hates STX.
There you go again -- giving a fuck when it ain't your turn...
zewker
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden271 Posts
January 16 2012 13:06 GMT
#21
niiiiiiiiice,

Come on JD show em what you're made of
"God Didn't Create Us, We Created God"
AlmondCS
Profile Joined November 2011
33 Posts
January 16 2012 13:23 GMT
#22
bogus vulture nicely done
Sayle
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom3685 Posts
January 16 2012 13:29 GMT
#23
Sea beat Hydra on Outlier not Outsider ^^;
kuriz
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark141 Posts
January 16 2012 13:33 GMT
#24
Maybe JD need to talk to someone about his problems. If you read this give me a pm and we can talk about anything that bothers you! And now get back to practice! Can't stand watching that face of yours when you lose, makes me a sad panda =(
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-16 13:53:41
January 16 2012 13:33 GMT
#25
Thanks for the endorsement! Looks like ACE might just manage to recover after all
who needs a kim carrier when we have mustaju
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
pred470r
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Bulgaria3265 Posts
January 16 2012 13:54 GMT
#26
Bogus vulture looks pretty slick, I like it!
KenNage
Profile Joined May 2009
Chile885 Posts
January 16 2012 14:07 GMT
#27
i love the bw coverage *-*, now its time to play till my eyes bleed ! :@
Mobius_1
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2763 Posts
January 16 2012 14:26 GMT
#28
KT Rolster 2-3 STX SouL


You already got a vulture, don't push you luck. ^_^

Also, I only seem to be able to get the Hangul version of the Kespa Android app since Android Market in China is gimped and broken. Oh well guess time to learn a new language!
Starleague Forever. RIP KT Violet~
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
January 16 2012 14:45 GMT
#29
This season doesn't make sense. None of the results match what was going on in the last season, and on top of everything KT gets 1st by not having to use Flash in a row. If he didn't shave when he didn't play, he was going to grow a solid beard.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
RelZo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Hungary397 Posts
January 16 2012 14:49 GMT
#30
Team 8, fuck yeah.

This season is their season, all it needs now is a Jaedong who can deliver and KT should shiver in fear.
a choboling
Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
January 16 2012 14:57 GMT
#31
Damm sweet, I know what app to check out next~~
BloodDrunK
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bangladesh2767 Posts
January 16 2012 15:02 GMT
#32
Great writeup guys. i approve of the pics.....
You have the power to create your own destiny.
chaosTheory_14cc
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1270 Posts
January 16 2012 15:11 GMT
#33
Awesome article, very well done as always.
SirJolt
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
the Dagon Knight4002 Posts
January 16 2012 15:19 GMT
#34
On January 16 2012 23:49 RelZo wrote:
Team 8, fuck yeah.

This season is their season, all it needs now is a Jaedong who can deliver and KT should shiver in fear.


For reasons I can't quite get my head around, I can't find Jaedong to add as a favourite player in their app. I figure it's probably conspiracy...
Moderator@SirJolt
2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9497 Posts
January 16 2012 15:37 GMT
#35
On January 17 2012 00:19 SirJolt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 23:49 RelZo wrote:
Team 8, fuck yeah.

This season is their season, all it needs now is a Jaedong who can deliver and KT should shiver in fear.


For reasons I can't quite get my head around, I can't find Jaedong to add as a favourite player in their app. I figure it's probably conspiracy...

You don't add Jaedong. Jaedong adds you!
Moderator"We're a community of geniuses because we've found how to extract 95% of the feeling of doing something amazing without actually doing anything." - Chill
Zhul
Profile Joined February 2010
Czech Republic430 Posts
January 16 2012 15:39 GMT
#36
On January 16 2012 21:44 mustaju wrote:
Poll: Which is more awesome?

Bisu Pylon (187)
 
52%

Bogus Vulture (175)
 
48%

362 total votes

Your vote: Which is more awesome?

(Vote): Bisu Pylon
(Vote): Bogus Vulture


Flash Siege tank
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
January 16 2012 15:56 GMT
#37
Good read thanks again proleague writing team
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3613 Posts
January 16 2012 15:59 GMT
#38
fishuu is my hero. Well I mean gj everybody, but especially the art is cool.

Now if only Woongjin can Not Fail, I'll be happy.
#4427 || I am not going to scan a ferret.
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
January 16 2012 16:24 GMT
#39
Sheet of paper! Thanks for all your hard work, it was a nice read. Good job as always.
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
Guamshin
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands295 Posts
January 16 2012 16:29 GMT
#40
I want a Bogus vulture! STX fighting~
Weeeee
trexbqs
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia1731 Posts
January 16 2012 16:45 GMT
#41
Great write up. Thanks

KT fighting!!!!!!!
Learn,live and love it.
WTFTerran
Profile Joined November 2011
Russian Federation286 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-16 17:13:28
January 16 2012 17:13 GMT
#42
WUT?
but Bogus vulture really overpower by his micro

flash>calm (do not want )
stats<last
crazy hydra> hyvaa
hoejja <bogus
wooki<modesty
Bogus, MKP, Bomber FTW!
Amanebak
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Czech Republic528 Posts
January 16 2012 17:14 GMT
#43
Thank you. Pleasure to read.
BW
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
January 16 2012 17:15 GMT
#44
dont like what u wrote about team 8 as well as team 8 vs CJ match.

the fact you failed to mention Jaehoon vs hoorang2 as a tie at first clearly proves that you didnt watch the series.
also most of the part about "Some of the shit T8 had to go through:" is wrong... this is not sc2, please dont use that sort of definition of 'all-in' here.

Do you think Jaedong could do that well in the past if he have to roll a dice every time he played a game to see build order lose? The term 'all-in' is a very bad thing to use in the pros BW scene since most players designed a specific strategy to execute inside a game instead of playing re-actively for the most part. The strategy should be designed based on predicting his opponent, the map he is playing on and the mechanic strength of the player himself. Clearly there is no reason for Jaedong to lose to a mid game valk switch in the game vs Catana on Ground Zero except the fact that he sucks. Seeing valks and still trying to go for guardian? ~_~... stacking 9 ovies together vs +3 valks clearly a good skill toi have.

The different between a S class and an A class player in BW is how S class could play a solid style without a hole and Jaedong as well as most players on team 8 are failing to do so. This is their first win in the season and they are still struggling hardcore. I honestly have no hope for them in my liquid bet ever.
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
Tomken
Profile Joined January 2010
Norway1144 Posts
January 16 2012 17:15 GMT
#45
Another great review ty!
MBCGame HERO FIGHTING!!!~
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
January 16 2012 17:33 GMT
#46
Bogus vulture!
When can we get Zero Queens?
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
Deletrious
Profile Joined December 2007
United States458 Posts
January 16 2012 17:34 GMT
#47
On January 17 2012 00:37 2Pacalypse- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 00:19 SirJolt wrote:
On January 16 2012 23:49 RelZo wrote:
Team 8, fuck yeah.

This season is their season, all it needs now is a Jaedong who can deliver and KT should shiver in fear.


For reasons I can't quite get my head around, I can't find Jaedong to add as a favourite player in their app. I figure it's probably conspiracy...

You don't add Jaedong. Jaedong adds you!


Also annoyed by this, even checked to see if he was under some obscure name he never uses but can't find him.
Bow before the Dongjwa.
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-16 17:35:53
January 16 2012 17:35 GMT
#48
KT is 1st, with +8. Feels good man.
I'm so glad that Wooki won his match.
o choro é livre
brow
Profile Joined December 2011
Brazil14 Posts
January 16 2012 18:23 GMT
#49
the week has only two games?
mustaju
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Estonia4504 Posts
January 16 2012 18:34 GMT
#50
On January 17 2012 03:23 brow wrote:
the week has only two games?

It's chinese new year, which means that SPL will take a short break. We got a full week of games on our new year, so it's just fair, in my opinion.
WriterBrows somewhat high. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndFysO2JunE
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
January 16 2012 18:37 GMT
#51
KT in first place, jizz everywhere ~
:)
Manimal_pro
Profile Joined June 2010
Romania991 Posts
January 16 2012 18:40 GMT
#52
Jaedongovic losing both to flash and effort, his mind is probably somewhere else instead
If you like brood war, please go play brood war and stop whining about SC2
UltimateHurl
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland591 Posts
January 16 2012 18:42 GMT
#53
Nice one, but SirJolt you've a misspelling! The caption "yes Hyvva, don't ask', should be Hyvaa no? Pesky pro names not being in spell-check
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
January 16 2012 18:44 GMT
#54
I'm hyped for the KT v STX

the feud of the resurging teams after a bumpy start will be deciding

And we gots to keep 1# place :D

Thanks for writeup, realy appreciated
In the woods, there lurks..
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8087 Posts
January 16 2012 18:47 GMT
#55
the bogus vulture is the best thing I've ever seen drawn on teamliquid rofl
Free Palestine
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10135 Posts
January 16 2012 19:08 GMT
#56
FlaSh, Stats, and some BS CH all-in holy shit I didn't see that coming cheese. And if any of those fail, Reach and Perfectman should clean house. KT HWAITING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AHAHAHHA 1ST PLACE BIATCHES!!
Writer#1 KT and FlaSh Fanboy || Woo Jung Ho Never Forget || Teamliquid Political Decision Desk
TL+ Member
NationInArms
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1553 Posts
January 16 2012 19:13 GMT
#57
Pylon is so much better.

Go Team 8 go!
BW for life | Fantasy, MMA, SlayerS_Boxer | Taengoo! n_n | "Lelouch vi Britannia commands you! Obey me, subjects! OBEY ME, WORLD!" | <3 Emi
brow
Profile Joined December 2011
Brazil14 Posts
January 16 2012 19:22 GMT
#58
On January 17 2012 03:34 mustaju wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 03:23 brow wrote:
the week has only two games?

It's chinese new year, which means that SPL will take a short break. We got a full week of games on our new year, so it's just fair, in my opinion.


I see, thanks.
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
January 16 2012 19:26 GMT
#59
T8 fighting!
Jaedong :3
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
January 16 2012 19:47 GMT
#60
thanks for the writeup!
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3748 Posts
January 16 2012 20:25 GMT
#61
I'm not surprised that Android App is superior. After all there is Samsung team and no Apple Khan
Chux
Profile Joined June 2009
Peru255 Posts
January 16 2012 20:35 GMT
#62
Read everything, loved every single word. I'm in love with this writeups since i cant watch proleague anymore . TY
MSL 2052-2053, here we go!
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10135 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-16 20:40:49
January 16 2012 20:38 GMT
#63
On January 17 2012 02:13 WTFTerran wrote:
WUT?
but Bogus vulture really overpower by his micro

flash>calm (do not want )
stats<last
crazy hydra> hyvaa
hoejja <bogus
wooki<modesty

you only can wish this would really happen. stats doesnt lose.
Writer#1 KT and FlaSh Fanboy || Woo Jung Ho Never Forget || Teamliquid Political Decision Desk
TL+ Member
TheShimmy
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1808 Posts
January 16 2012 20:54 GMT
#64
I hope T8 can keep up the winning ways.

STX VS KT is definitely the game to watch this week. The two hottest teams in the proleague clash for what should be 5 sets of awesome. Hopefully STX doesn't lose its important matchups. Flash appears completely unbeatable, so throwing out an "iffy" win like Calm first set isn't a bad idea at all. What would be even more spectacular is if Calm VS Flash occurs, and Calm might transport himself three years into the past and pull out the win. But more realistically I'd say Flash will take it.

Flash > Calm

I doubt we'll see Action since he's an autolose to either Modesty or Bogus. I like the matchups in STX's favor with Bogus's TVP by and large at the top level. Bogus will be needed in set 2 to prevent Flash/Stats from running off with it.

Stats < Bogus

For STX to win they'll have to depend on Dear to pull off a win VS a Z. Hoejja would be the most likely candidate for a set 3 matchup, but I think Dear could handle him. On the other hand KT could try to whip out a so far neglected Mind, but tey'd be risking a TVT loss to Last, who's in tremendous form right now. Either way I think the ever-improving Dear could take a win.

Hoejja < Dear or Mind < Dear or Mind < Last

Here's where it gets tricky for coaching STX. You could expect to see Crazy-Hydra who's coming off a win, but odds are KT will avoid a ZVZ snipe from Modesty at all costs. This depends primarily upon the matchup from the last set. Odds are Last wouldn't have been played yet and could take down Wooki, the likely P being sent out from KT, or Mind if they decided to whip him out for a win. Either way its a likely win for Last.

Wooki < Last or Mind < Last


KT 1 < 3 STX

Honestly, this is mostly fanboy talking, but I like the way STX matches up with KT. It would be super incredible if Last could beat Flash in a TVT. That would make waking up at 6AM more than worth it.

GOGO STX.


Hyvaa #1 Fan. Gogo STX, Dear, Bogus, Classic, and Mini! Always a BW fan!
TheShimmy
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1808 Posts
January 16 2012 20:55 GMT
#65
On January 17 2012 05:38 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 02:13 WTFTerran wrote:
WUT?
but Bogus vulture really overpower by his micro

flash>calm (do not want )
stats<last
crazy hydra> hyvaa
hoejja <bogus
wooki<modesty

you only can wish this would really happen. stats doesnt lose.



Last could beat Stats, but a much more likely scenario would be Bogus>Stats
Hyvaa #1 Fan. Gogo STX, Dear, Bogus, Classic, and Mini! Always a BW fan!
Xenocide_Knight
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Korea (South)2625 Posts
January 16 2012 21:07 GMT
#66
Another great article! Thank god team8 won vs cj..

Also, I want to point out that you forgot a critical piece of information. Samsung Khan has finally unveiled their secret weapon, a new and improved Shine, now boasting a 100% win rate to rival flash. I recommend that there is some kind of "What happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object?" head-to-head comparison between these two legends. In the past, Bonjwas were always born of competition; I believe the stage is set.

[image loading]
Shine[Kal] #1 fan
Kiante
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7069 Posts
January 16 2012 21:27 GMT
#67
On January 17 2012 02:15 NB wrote:
dont like what u wrote about team 8 as well as team 8 vs CJ match.

the fact you failed to mention Jaehoon vs hoorang2 as a tie at first clearly proves that you didnt watch the series.
also most of the part about "Some of the shit T8 had to go through:" is wrong... this is not sc2, please dont use that sort of definition of 'all-in' here.

Do you think Jaedong could do that well in the past if he have to roll a dice every time he played a game to see build order lose? The term 'all-in' is a very bad thing to use in the pros BW scene since most players designed a specific strategy to execute inside a game instead of playing re-actively for the most part. The strategy should be designed based on predicting his opponent, the map he is playing on and the mechanic strength of the player himself. Clearly there is no reason for Jaedong to lose to a mid game valk switch in the game vs Catana on Ground Zero except the fact that he sucks. Seeing valks and still trying to go for guardian? ~_~... stacking 9 ovies together vs +3 valks clearly a good skill toi have.

The different between a S class and an A class player in BW is how S class could play a solid style without a hole and Jaedong as well as most players on team 8 are failing to do so. This is their first win in the season and they are still struggling hardcore. I honestly have no hope for them in my liquid bet ever.

as to the recap -> I was away at a family function during the games, i was forced to recap from vods. I was in a rush and skipped to about the 3/4 mark to take a look at what was going on and just assumed that there was some kind of technical delay and only recapped the non-tie game. Good pickup tho.
Writer
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-16 22:18:47
January 16 2012 22:16 GMT
#68
On January 17 2012 06:27 Kiante wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 02:15 NB wrote:
dont like what u wrote about team 8 as well as team 8 vs CJ match.

the fact you failed to mention Jaehoon vs hoorang2 as a tie at first clearly proves that you didnt watch the series.
also most of the part about "Some of the shit T8 had to go through:" is wrong... this is not sc2, please dont use that sort of definition of 'all-in' here.

Do you think Jaedong could do that well in the past if he have to roll a dice every time he played a game to see build order lose? The term 'all-in' is a very bad thing to use in the pros BW scene since most players designed a specific strategy to execute inside a game instead of playing re-actively for the most part. The strategy should be designed based on predicting his opponent, the map he is playing on and the mechanic strength of the player himself. Clearly there is no reason for Jaedong to lose to a mid game valk switch in the game vs Catana on Ground Zero except the fact that he sucks. Seeing valks and still trying to go for guardian? ~_~... stacking 9 ovies together vs +3 valks clearly a good skill toi have.

The different between a S class and an A class player in BW is how S class could play a solid style without a hole and Jaedong as well as most players on team 8 are failing to do so. This is their first win in the season and they are still struggling hardcore. I honestly have no hope for them in my liquid bet ever.

as to the recap -> I was away at a family function during the games, i was forced to recap from vods. I was in a rush and skipped to about the 3/4 mark to take a look at what was going on and just assumed that there was some kind of technical delay and only recapped the non-tie game. Good pickup tho.


I have to agree with NB on few parts, team8 lost all their games not because they were unlucky but because they were lacking, why did sea got 7 toss? Because other teams used their coaching heads, i agree t8 has less resources but still you could expect SO much more from 3 aces despite all the morale, no sponsor and other crap. JD unforunately doesnt look like S class, at all. Actually im afraid that its really hard to call someone S-class this season. Maybe besides Flash. Everyone dissapoints with uncharacteristic bad play fortunately younger generation is stepping up and doing well (and partly why STX is so high thanks to last/bogus).

I know we cant judge real form of players from this season yet but its really the only info we got ... But i have to say it gets kinda funny and unexpected when you watch proleague now, because everyone can lose Its like light lifting his barracks to let CH lings get in losing his tvz streak. :p
Stork[gm]
Fatze
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Germany1342 Posts
January 16 2012 22:24 GMT
#69
nice write-up - I hope Team8 will start a comeback soon =(
Comfort from bottles, cheers from beers the guitars are our weapons and we know how to kill!
Bobo_
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States192 Posts
January 16 2012 22:42 GMT
#70
Why no app for Windows phone?

Awesome write up though! BW fighting!~!
iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
January 16 2012 22:53 GMT
#71
is it just me or the bisu pylon mascot looks like shaggy from scooby doo. :D

sick writeup as usual.
Woo Jung Ho
shaftofpleasure
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Korea (North)1375 Posts
January 16 2012 23:02 GMT
#72
Mustaju should predict more 3-0s.
It's either the holes of my nose are getting smaller or my fingers are getting bigger. /// Always Rooting for the Underdog. Hyuk/Sin/Jaehoon/Juni/Hyvva/Hoejja/Canata //// Hiding in thread somewhere where BW is still in it's pure form here on TL.
Essbee
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada2371 Posts
January 16 2012 23:26 GMT
#73
On January 17 2012 05:38 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 02:13 WTFTerran wrote:
WUT?
but Bogus vulture really overpower by his micro

flash>calm (do not want )
stats<last
crazy hydra> hyvaa
hoejja <bogus
wooki<modesty

you only can wish this would really happen. stats doesnt lose.


Last doesn't lose either.
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3748 Posts
January 16 2012 23:58 GMT
#74
On January 17 2012 07:42 Bobo_ wrote:
Why no app for Windows phone?

Awesome write up though! BW fighting!~!

Windows Phone 7.x is rather unpopular. It's a bit like asking why there is no Starcraft for Ubuntu.
SgtPepper
Profile Joined November 2010
United States568 Posts
January 17 2012 00:41 GMT
#75
Nice to see KT back on top.
"After I reconquer Ba Sing Se, I'm going to reconquer my tea shop! And I'm going to play Pai Sho every day."
GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
January 17 2012 01:36 GMT
#76
RAINBOW FONT?!

great article!
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66156 Posts
January 17 2012 04:06 GMT
#77
bogus vulture so qt lol
POGGERS
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
January 17 2012 06:15 GMT
#78
Great write-up C-Sheep

No mention of the horang2 v Jaehoon game? It was hilarious and truly a one-of-a-kind game
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
ThatGuyDoMo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia516 Posts
January 17 2012 08:35 GMT
#79
Yay Team 8! Well done :D
weedhydra
Profile Joined October 2011
28 Posts
January 17 2012 09:20 GMT
#80
Now i need to buy smartphone.
burbon
Profile Joined November 2011
Poland41 Posts
January 17 2012 11:28 GMT
#81
Well, there was app for android with proleague like year ago, but only in korean. Nothing New for me
Tapppi
Profile Joined July 2011
Finland70 Posts
January 17 2012 13:16 GMT
#82
Really love the writing style in team 8 part, all around amazing explanation and the best quote lol <3~
Awesome write-up, cant wait for more matches. :D
no thanks
epsiSlow
Profile Joined May 2010
Romania19 Posts
January 17 2012 17:10 GMT
#83
I love both pictures!
But i like a bit more Bishu's love for the Pylon!! :D

Congrats for the article!
Live long and prosper!
jumbotroN
Profile Joined April 2010
Peru229 Posts
January 17 2012 19:11 GMT
#84
Team 8 FIGHTING!
kuroshiroi
Profile Joined November 2010
3149 Posts
January 17 2012 21:28 GMT
#85
After reading JD's tossgirl interview and reading the Team 8 article in here, I've decided to not give up on them, ever. Team 8 fighting!

I'll still be horribly depressed whenever they and/or JD lose but I'll still hope.
Fly Jaedong, fly!
Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
January 18 2012 06:02 GMT
#86
Needs a Dongling.
에일리 and 아이유 <3 - O Captain 박재혁 ・゚✧*:・*゚+..。✧・゚:*・..。 ✧・゚ :・゚* ゜・*:・ ✧・゚:・゚:.。 ✧・゚ SPARKULING ・゜・:・゚✧*:・゚✧。*゚+..。 ✧・゚: ✧・゚:*・゜・:・゚✧*::
Epoxide
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Magic Woods9326 Posts
January 18 2012 08:43 GMT
#87
I can't express how amazing fishuu's art is <3
LiquipediaSouma: EU MM is just Russian Roulette. Literally.
taitanik
Profile Joined December 2011
Latvia231 Posts
January 18 2012 12:50 GMT
#88
On January 16 2012 21:45 Atoissen wrote:
Gogo Team 8, I believe! =)

PS: What is up with Jaedong??What is it now 4 losses in a row?

I think its tossgirl thats when lose streak started
"the game is over only when you make it over"
icclown
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Denmark270 Posts
January 21 2012 12:56 GMT
#89
Gooood writings...

I really hope for a comeback of T8, at the expenses of SKT KTR & CJ <3
He who controls the past commands the future, He who commands the future, conquers the past. BUFFER INTO GG
gen.Sun
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States539 Posts
January 25 2012 07:31 GMT
#90
Wow great article as ususal!
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