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devPLEASE
Profile Joined March 2011
Kenya605 Posts
January 10 2012 06:01 GMT
#61
Hopefully fOrGG isn't just hype like Sage was. I want him to shut down Leenock, break his spirit, and make him go back to either school or Code B.
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Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-10 06:11:34
January 10 2012 06:11 GMT
#62
On January 10 2012 11:15 Samp wrote:
They wrote the group of death o_O? Group C has MVP and Nestea in the same group..id call that the real group of death..

Well a group of death usually has more than 2 monsters. And while a group including MVP and Nestea 6 months ago would almost certainly net Group of Death status, Nestea has played pretty horrible recently. And MVP has been knocked out of a couple of GSL's. Which is fine, he's still amazing, but he's gone back to being mortal if MMA and Leenock can take games off him. And then you have idra, who while in good form, is still a foreigner and has been absent from the GSL for a fair while, so there's a question mark hanging over him. And lastly Lucky.

On the other hand you have Leenock, who just played an amazing finals in November and is more and more looking like the best zerg around. You have ForGG, who will either win the GSL or go deep - talent wise he's looking amazing. You have MC, probably the best protoss or one of the best. And Supernova, one of the best terrans in the world.

So it seems clear to me that the latter is stronger than the former.

On January 10 2012 14:32 Utaheka wrote:
Really sorry to be the one to point it out, since nobody has realized it yet:
Leenock is not good. Yeah, he won an MLG, but when everybody was practicing for MLG, they didn't expect Leenock to be any good, so they didn't try to practice any specific strategies against him. Now that people have realized he isn't that bad, they will start practicing against him, and he will fall faster than we saw him.


Leenock has always been great. His games against jjakji alone prove that.
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MrCash
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1504 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-10 06:16:13
January 10 2012 06:14 GMT
#63
Very strict game scores.
Not very consistent with past scores, however I would be pleased if this became the new standard.
In the past it felt kind of like game scores, where 3 was normal, 4 was okay and 5/5 was great.
I think it gives game scores more value and depth when only games like Set 7 MMA vs DRG in blizzard cup get 5 stars.

Also, could you possibly just make the stars the rating?
Like just displaying 2 or 3 1/2 stars, instead of saying STAR 2/5?
That might visually look better.
happyness
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2400 Posts
January 10 2012 06:25 GMT
#64
I don't think you should worry about spoilers if they are in the thread. If the spoiler is on the front page, i could understand people being upset, but otherwise, no.
diophan
Profile Joined September 2011
United States1018 Posts
January 10 2012 06:26 GMT
#65
Sweet my exact liquibet predictions.

On January 10 2012 11:15 Samp wrote:
They wrote the group of death o_O? Group C has MVP and Nestea in the same group..id call that the real group of death..


This group has 3 tiptop tier players in it, and Supernova who seems always pretty underrated. I'd say Group C is MVP/Nestea ezpz (sorry idra).
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
January 10 2012 06:28 GMT
#66
On January 10 2012 13:44 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2012 13:37 babylon wrote:
Sen's international TLPD:

All: 189-112 (62.79%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): L W L W L L W W W L | View Games
vT: 57-41 (58.16%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): W L W W W W L W L W | View Games
vZ: 51-27 (65.38%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): W L L L W L L W W L | View Games
vP: 81-44 (64.80%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): W L W W L L L L L W | View Games

That's against foreign T's too. Is it really a surprise he came last with three Korean T's in his group?


historically yah, but he did pretty well against thorzain, select, and brat_ok in his recent tournaments, and they're pretty damn good foreigners

Well, Thorzain's TvZ is his weakest MU (and has been for a while) @ 57%, while SeleCT's TvZ is also ... not quite stellar @ 58% (SeleCT's TvP is definitely his best MU). Brat_OK's TvZ is pretty good though, I'll say, and it does break 60%. In any case, they're not pushovers, but I'd say you need at the very least a 60%+ win-rate in a MU in the international TLPD in order to be anywhere near competitive in the MU in Korea, and Sen's ZvT has always been really, really weak compared to his other two MUs. I mean, just look at his ZvT vs. ZvP and ZvZ; the difference is huge.
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-10 06:34:14
January 10 2012 06:30 GMT
#67
On January 10 2012 14:32 Utaheka wrote:
Really sorry to be the one to point it out, since nobody has realized it yet:
Leenock is not good. Yeah, he won an MLG, but when everybody was practicing for MLG, they didn't expect Leenock to be any good, so they didn't try to practice any specific strategies against him. Now that people have realized he isn't that bad, they will start practicing against him, and he will fall faster than we saw him.

You just 100% ignored the GSL. He made it to the finals in Code S, taking out the best Terran in the world along the way. Keep in mind that was a best of 5, and MVP was preparing strategies specifically for Leenock. So he was practicing for matches against him, and still didn't come out on top in what was an epic series. Leenock has close to the best ZvT in the world, a toss up really between him and DRG.

Nice write up, but I really don't think Fin has what it takes to beat Leenock. He's good, but this hype is just silly. Leenock and MC to advance.
Long live the King of Wings
Xivsa
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1009 Posts
January 10 2012 06:50 GMT
#68
Great write-up, I wonder how the travel and everything else will affect MC. Such an oGs-all-kill sort of group is sad in many ways.
I don't know half of you half as well as I should like and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve. - Bilbo
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9031 Posts
January 10 2012 06:53 GMT
#69
My internet suddenly decided to hate online streams just a few days ago. Going to a PC Bang in this coldass weather just for ForGG!
Sorathez
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Australia209 Posts
January 10 2012 06:55 GMT
#70
MC and forGG GOGOGOGO!

Personally I would have given game 2 between Sen and BoxeR more than 1.5... to me (didn't watch Boxer vs Jjakji) it was one of the best games of the night (g1 BoxeR v GanZi was awesome), Sen struggling and as Tasteless said "barely not stabilising" and trying to come back after an early deficit. But hey, matter of opinion.
There's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep trying till you run out of cake.
jellyjello
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)664 Posts
January 10 2012 06:57 GMT
#71
A few thoughts...

1) One look at this group reminds me why GSL Code S holds such a high prestige and esteem. It's becoming harder and harder to survive the group stages, let alone winning the Code S.

2) If I had to pick one weakness in ForGG, it's his TvZ match up especially when zergs are allowed to get 3rd and 4th base. I think Leenock has a great chance to beat ForGG if he can hold off the early aggression.

3) MC's in great form recently, but not sure what condition he will be in after his trip to Home Story Cup.

4) SuperNova is definitely going to be the underdog in this group regardless of who he's facing, and he actually plays a lot better when the pressure is not entirely on him. This group is so hard to pick as I see just about everyone having an equal chance of beating each other.
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8306 Posts
January 10 2012 06:58 GMT
#72
Great writeup but this is he first ti'm I've read the predictions and thought there's just no way that'll happen. MC and Leenock to advance I think. Fin is overhyped, tho maybe he's gotten better over christmas.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
Stamper
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany148 Posts
January 10 2012 06:59 GMT
#73
I don't see MC losing to one of those Terrans. Both haven't impressed me with their TvP yet.

I am going with MC and forGG advancing.
Varth
Profile Joined August 2010
United States426 Posts
January 10 2012 07:01 GMT
#74
Leenock fighting, while I disagree with picking a hard opponent, still a fan and admire the balls that took. Just don't pull a MC
DarkGo
Profile Joined May 2011
29 Posts
January 10 2012 07:04 GMT
#75
fin will fall, he's the equivalent of mc, the real talent is supernova and of course leenock, gl hf
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
January 10 2012 07:16 GMT
#76
ForGG better bring more then that same timings in Code A, then again he's the master of timings so i am curieus to see what he brings

And to those who say Leenock is not good ... Did you even see his road to the finals ? This kid got some serieus TvZ and ZvZ given this TvP looks a bit shaky compared to the other matchups but i would still say he's going through.

Leenock/MC with the upset of ForGG with a sick timed build, dropping either of the 2.
Sareth
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1008 Posts
January 10 2012 07:40 GMT
#77
Definitely the hardest group this GSL imo.
Everyone of those 4 guys would advance in every other group (Yes even group C) and its very hard to predict the results of today.
Supernova showed his huge potential in the past GSLs,
Leenock owned Provence and got to the last GSL finals,
Fin is just... Fin, nothing more to say,
And MC just showed at the Homestorycup, that he is back.

Realistic view: Fin + Leenock
But I'm rooting for MC and Leenock; please MC, it would be a perfect birthday present to see you advance in this group of death
Mawi
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden4365 Posts
January 10 2012 07:56 GMT
#78
Hardest group so far in GSL i think, makes it so much more worth to watch it
Sick and nice writeup!
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Theeakoz
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1114 Posts
January 10 2012 07:58 GMT
#79
Amazing thanks for this.
Please change the luck dependancy of spawning locations on rotationally symmetric maps.
EchoZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan5041 Posts
January 10 2012 08:05 GMT
#80
What a group.
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