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[LP] Credit where Credit is Due
April 28th, 2011 06:42 GMT
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/disciple/forwiki/articlebannernew1.jpg) By tofucake, Aesop, and Liquipedia's Guardian SaintLiquipedia Weekly #17![[image loading]](http://pic.phyrefile.com/s/sa/salle/2011/03/13/silver1.png) Now with flashy coins
Happy Thursday to you all!
You may have noticed a new addition to TeamLiquid in the past few days. Liquipedia is proud to announce that we've finally gathered enough incriminating evidence against convinced Nazgul to put up some special new coins for us. You may notice them at the bottom right of your posts. Yes. There.
You were probably curious about what these coins were and used your 300 APM (no spam right!) to frantically click the coins hoping they would do a trick for you. Sadly, these aren't jumping coins or coins that flash pretty colors but they still do something important.
Making edits on Liquipedia is one of the most thankless jobs on the site. Your edits on Liquipedia are not like posts on the forums where you can easily track down who has posted what and articles are the combination of multiple contributions to Liquipedia. To reflect the hard work people do on Liquipedia we have decided to give contributors to Liquipedia special coins to represent the amount of work they have done on Liquipedia.
Essentially, these coins are to Liquipedia what the unit icons (or otherwise, if you're someone special) are to TeamLiquid. The premise is quite simple. Do stuff on Liquipedia. Sometimes your coins will change.
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/saro/flymonkeys/monkey.gif) This is the only guy besides Mr. Potter who knows how they really work
Usually we like to keep these things secret. You'll never (or maybe eventually) know. Or maybe you will (won't). We do(n't) know. And we are(n't) telling.
Okay, fine. Since you won't stop pestering us, here's the deal ...
Where k1 and k2 are weighting factors, n is the number of edits, a and N being constants, f and F are functions based of the number of characters altered, P a linear functional and of course the integrals are Lebesgue. For obvious reasons the calculation is done in base 391.
But never mind how they are calculated, here are the important facts for you to know:
- The rating is calculated using both the number of edits and the length of the edits
- Edits are counted from both the Brood War section and the StarCraft 2 section
- The coins are ordered by color (bronze, silver, gold etc) then number of coins
- People with more coins are pretty awesome people and deserve free beer if you meet them IRL
You may have some additional questions about how these little guys work. To save some time, here is a brief FAQ:
Why don't my coins display in all forums?
The coins will not show in forums where team icons are displayed. This will be fixed at some point in the future where you will have a profile option to display the coins always, or never, or sometimes.
What is the highest coin level?
Only R1CH and the flying monkeys know. We know there exists at least a Gold Coin. How many beyond that is something we can only speculate about.
Can I see a Top X Ranking list?
We'd prefer to keep that under wraps for the time being. We might re-evaluate whether to display this list or not at a later date. However, for your convenience we have a list of the Top 1 ranked contributor:
Why can't I automatically Tweet/Facebook people about me ranking up!
Do it yourself - you have 300 APM right?
And finally, the Liquipedia team wants to thank the following helpers:
Idea and Emotional Support - Plexa, Nazgul
Graphics - jhNz, disciple
Coding - SonuvBob, R1CH
Your princess is in another castle,
- Liquipedia staff ![[image loading]](http://pic.phyrefile.com/s/sa/salle/2011/04/27/42eY9.png)
Useful Liquipedia Links:
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PM a Liquipedia Staff Member: Aesop, Pholon, Imperator, Mystlord, Flicky, TheFallofTroy, Slugbreath, salle, tofucake
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Good idea. hope this gets the sc2 build section movin
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teamliquid achievments. Well, at least its for the greater good
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Woohoo!! There's been alot of conjecture about what the coin rank-up formula is. Thanks for clearing that one up LOL. base 391 is hardcore 
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I gotta get me some gold coins.
Edit: Will the coins show up under the team selection drop down, or will the team selection have to be set to None?
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well damn, time to do some writing !
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Are we allowed to earn coins if we ask(beg) for them without any contributions at all? Lets say I'm in bronze league, do my facts(opinions) matter towards the balancing of the system and will you tailor your rating system to hide my losses so I can't see my losses?
If any of those are answered as yes, I feel like I am now of value to TL.
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Liquipedia is the shit, such a good idea, I am sure this will boost participation
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But my mood!
Thats a random function...integral of f-1 degree leads to a ln.....waahhh
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And what exactly are the constants/functiosn1?! Itd be cool if somethingl ike that was used :D
edit: and whats the difference between a weighing factor and a constant...
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Can we expect platinum, diamond, master and grand master coins in the future?
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On April 28 2011 16:11 Stroggi wrote:
Can we expect platinum, diamond, master and grand master coins in the future?
And then of course remove the bronze coins and then add a Elite Grandmaster League.
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On April 28 2011 16:10 ReketSomething wrote:But my mood! Thats a random function...integral of f-1 degree leads to a ln.....waahhh + Show Spoiler +
And what exactly are the constants/functiosn1?! Itd be cool if somethingl ike that was used :D
The Liquipedia coin system is not for the feeble-minded to attempt to understand!
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Going for Gold D:< SEE YOU ALL THERE [salle]
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YEAH.
Now that there are pretend rewards, that Strategy section should hopefully grow a touch 
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very soon , in this world, when starcraft conquers e-sports and teamliquid stands on the very top of esports world, there is nothing more impressive that you can put on your work resume other than TL achievements
Nice to see the liquipedia contributors rewarded.
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<3 Liquipedia
You guys are awesome!
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haha, this is a nice token of appreciation :D
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Great idea, I'm sure it'll motivate some folks to get to typing.
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Happy Thursday to you all!
You just gotta love the Winnie the Pooh reference!
And great job on giving away some shiny coins for those working hard on liquipedia!
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Yay!
C'mon guys lets see a USEFUL SC2 build order section!
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that is a pretty basic formula...
Hopefully this will get the builds section growing because as a zerg player, and im sure many of my fellow zergs would agree, i have been sick of continually going to the site and seeing about 5 proper builds for each matchup, only one general build (7RR) and 40+stub builds!
someone get started on those please great initiative TL!
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I keep checking liquipedia for just about everything, but I am saddened to find that there's not really any useful information besides the blindingly obvious. Hopefully I can contribute something of worth.
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United States10328 Posts
On April 28 2011 15:42 Aesop wrote:
rofl too good. only gripes:
- "d" should be italicized! LaTeX even does that automatically for you... but it was changed back! >
- what is "df"? f is a function...
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Nice work! Hopefully this convinces a few people out there to dig in and contribute to make LP an even better resource than it already is It's heartening to see overlays and player profiles used in major events that are paraphrasing your own contribution to a player page in liquidpedia.
Bring on the free beers!
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forever bronze
but still, I like it :D
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silver!
havnt touched LP in a long long time too
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On April 28 2011 17:01 ]343[ wrote:rofl too good. only gripes: - "d" should be italicized! LaTeX even does that automatically for you... but it was changed back! >
- what is "df"? f is a function...
This is lebesgue integration. You integrate according to a function (measure).
As far as I can remember if you write it in the common Riemann notation df is actually f(dx), but its a while back since I used it so don't quote me on that.
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How come credit is repeated in that quote? I'll never understand, isn't it redundant? "credit where it's due" seems fine! (not hating on the title of this thread, just the quote in general)
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So if i help contribute to liquipedia for brood war, I am eligible for coins as well right?
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Oh, I've been wondering what those coins were.... On another note, cheers to everyone who has ever contributed to Liquipedia.
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United States10328 Posts
On April 28 2011 17:23 Casta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2011 17:01 ]343[ wrote:On April 28 2011 15:42 Aesop wrote: rofl too good. only gripes: - "d" should be italicized! LaTeX even does that automatically for you... but it was changed back! >
- what is "df"? f is a function...
This is lebesgue integration. You integrate according to a function (measure). As far as I can remember if you write it in the common Riemann notation df is actually f(dx), but its a while back since I used it so don't quote me on that.
oooooh i see. just another sign that knowing analysis is actually necessary next year, i guess...
On April 28 2011 17:26 Black[CAT] wrote:
So if i help contribute to liquipedia for brood war, I am eligible for coins as well right?
yeah, read what he wrote!
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On April 28 2011 17:48 ]343[ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2011 17:23 Casta wrote:On April 28 2011 17:01 ]343[ wrote:On April 28 2011 15:42 Aesop wrote: rofl too good. only gripes: - "d" should be italicized! LaTeX even does that automatically for you... but it was changed back! >
- what is "df"? f is a function...
This is lebesgue integration. You integrate according to a function (measure). As far as I can remember if you write it in the common Riemann notation df is actually f(dx), but its a while back since I used it so don't quote me on that. oooooh i see. just another sign that knowing analysis is actually necessary next year, i guess... Show nested quote +On April 28 2011 17:26 Black[CAT] wrote:
So if i help contribute to liquipedia for brood war, I am eligible for coins as well right? yeah, read what he wrote!
Yeah~I read
But seeing people all talk about the sc2 wiki makes me think that this is only for the sc2 wiki contributors...my bad
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Cool idea. Hopefully it will motivate more people to contribute to liquipedia. *looks into hypocrite mirror*
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and the poster has a gold coin =) (Btw I have 2 bronze coins YAY)
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Sweden5554 Posts
On April 28 2011 17:26 Black[CAT] wrote:
So if i help contribute to liquipedia for brood war, I am eligible for coins as well right?
On April 28 2011 15:42 Liquipedia Staff wrote:- Edits are counted from both the Brood War section and the StarCraft 2 section
Right.
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Yay, some sick Liquipedia cred. Can't wait until next week when my school is over.
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Oh man, this is sure to entice involvement now. Great stuff as always guys :D
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Thats really nice guys, it is a nice way to see who is working hard there
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This is a fantastic idea. I think it will really motivate a lot of people to really tighten up the strategy sections and keep everything updated.
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Good idea.
People liked to be recognised for their work, even with symbolic tokens.
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The coins system is too ambiguous, how do you figure out your Coins MMR? Will you be matched will articles of similar difficulty to edit?
on a serious note: Hopefully this won't end up spamming liquidpedia with minor useless edits
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lol when you click on the linked thread, stupid monkeys are blocking vision. This whole announcement was just funny :D
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So that means I actually have to contribute to get my bronze coin and not be ashamed to not do anything ?
But oh well for now there is no way in hell I would change my affection for ACE for a little coin, even if I had one !
But cool idea, I guess we will see more stuff now and someone can find the liquipedia brotherhood, ranks based off their coins of course.
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United States4796 Posts
Good idea. What a great motivator.
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Here i was, thinking that getting to gold was always easy.
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Hyrule19029 Posts
As you can see, team icons override the coins. But where there are no team icons, there are coins!
Also, this will hopefully boost contributions, as nobody should ever be able to live with the shame of being ONLY bronze.
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)) nice !
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Migh see me contributig morr mow that I will be rewarded for it! ;P
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Nice idea. I noticed these coins like 2 days ago
Looks good... :D
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Awesome article. Make me wanna contribute smt...
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Good idea - it will hopefully motivate people to make new additions.
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Awesome idea, great to see contributors to the liquipedia receive a subtle indication of their awesomeness.
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Haha, informative and funny, just what I'd expect from TL OPs, Time to start editing liquidpedia I guess.
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Japan11286 Posts
After clicking the link, annoying flying monkey things show up, what's up with that? I mean, I thought my computer had some kind of virus.
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United States4796 Posts
Um. Are you sure there's enough people checking edits? I'm just questioning.
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^^ Me too, I'm just a little worried about the quality of the edits that might happen just to get a coin in their sig.
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On April 28 2011 17:23 Casta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2011 17:01 ]343[ wrote:On April 28 2011 15:42 Aesop wrote: rofl too good. only gripes: - "d" should be italicized! LaTeX even does that automatically for you... but it was changed back! >
- what is "df"? f is a function...
This is lebesgue integration. You integrate according to a function (measure). As far as I can remember if you write it in the common Riemann notation df is actually f(dx), but its a while back since I used it so don't quote me on that.
If f is differentiable, then df=f '(x)dx. Formally, you can think of it as multiplying df by dx/dx to get df=(df/dx)dx. If f isn't differentiable, then you have to view the integral as a Lebesgue–Stieltjes integral.
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Off to write a map by map wiki guide for my epic drone rush.
More seriously, this is a cool idea.
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Netherlands6142 Posts
On April 28 2011 22:20 dartoo wrote:
^^ Me too, I'm just a little worried about the quality of the edits that might happen just to get a coin in their sig.
this has been taken into account, no worries
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OH GOD where did all my free time g-
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I wonder what counts as edits? I read some of the articles, and I noticed some grammatical errors. Are any and all legitimate contributions counted? Is cleaning up articles counted? I guess my real questions is: What edits do not count?
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On April 28 2011 15:42 Aesop wrote:
What is the highest coin level?
Only R1CH and the flying monkeys know. We know there exists at least a Gold Coin. How many beyond that is something we can only speculate about.
R1CH, flying monkeys, and the source code.
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Sweden5554 Posts
Yeah golds also go up to 4 ... but after those, what's then?
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Honestly the coins are really ugly haha
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Yay, another cool thing in TL
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Where can I cash in these cents?
Jokes aside it's a cool motivator for new people to start editing.
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Please a build order section with the pro commenting would be great!!
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On April 28 2011 23:36 salle wrote:
Yeah golds also go up to 4 ... but after those, what's then?
Just on a hunch Platinum, Diamond and um Blue Star Coins?
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On April 28 2011 16:50 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:Yay! C'mon guys lets see a USEFUL SC2 build order section!
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Lol, what a great writeup.
Cool idea, cool implementation. Pat on the back for you guys.
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On April 28 2011 22:20 dartoo wrote:
^^ Me too, I'm just a little worried about the quality of the edits that might happen just to get a coin in their sig.
Yea i was worrying about that too, Keep yourself together guys, its just money ^^
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oh cool!! Going for gold now ^-^!!
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Wish I knew enough information about a subject to actually edit LP
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Yay! I was wondering what all that talk meant in the last R1CH quotes bump, but it's cool to see! Editting LP is fun but its cool to see some brownie points Thanks TL!
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Great incentive! I've been meaning to do more edits lately, and this just might give me the motivation.
Edit: Ooh, I'm bronze! Shame it doesn't show next to team icons.
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Support for Liquipedia = awesome. Great idea, and keep up the good work!
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If the result isnt the same as the result from the program I programmed to solve the formal, I'll punch you guys
"But never mind how they are calculated, here are the important facts for you to know"
:DDD
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One thing is that all people that have a BW team in their signature are not able to display coins. Not sure if this has been taken into account or not. I removed CJ from my sig so my coins will show up instead.
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Baa?21242 Posts
On April 29 2011 01:50 kathode wrote:
One thing is that all people that have a BW team in their signature are not able to display coins. Not sure if this has been taken into account or not. I removed CJ from my sig so my coins will show up instead.
Hmm it was displaying coins for me yesterday but stopped displaying them. Baa.
edit: Now it indeed shows after disabling team icons. Nuuu, my STX icon T_T
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if you work hard enuf you will at least earn some gold, unlike STX
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Might I suggest that yall use Mineral instead of Gold coin considering this is a starcraft website lol. Although it doesn't really matter honestly. 
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Does it look like a mineral to you?
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god those coins look so good. i think i would be more willing to listen to a coin person than a non coin person now ^^
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I dont like this idea. Feels like people will whore to get "achievement points."
and only add poor content,
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On April 29 2011 03:01 Healedyou wrote:
I dont like this idea. Feels like people will whore to get "achievement points."
and only add poor content,
Read the formula. It values length + value of content.
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I have 2 bronze coins, yay! (in another thread apparently this one shows my T1 support D: )
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I just realized that the icon for me is a silver coin and not just a Liquipedia circle in the wiki color scheme, haha.
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This is a very good idea.
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On April 29 2011 03:10 Whiplash wrote:
I have 2 bronze coins, yay! (in another thread apparently this one shows my T1 support D: )
It shows in all BW threads and in all the news articles teams over the coins. In SC2 threads, it shows only the coins because there is no team to override the coins.
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Sweet, guys! Something needed to be done.
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The guys at LP needed some kind of compensation, their work is amazing! :D
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It's a great idea but I'm worried about the amount of people going for coins and not really trying to provide useful information.
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Australia1191 Posts
ooo, Very cool idea indeed.
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sweet, even the famous chariemurphy has some bronze coins! at least his contribution will remain even after his permaban.
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I like this idea a lot. I definitely would like to see Liquipedia II improving and giving cred where cred is due is a good start. (I've made a few contributions here and there, but I'll need to work more to earn good coins.)
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Baa?21242 Posts
On April 29 2011 02:16 disciple wrote:
if you work hard enuf you will at least earn some gold, unlike STX
I will eat you T_T
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A neat idea
Cheers
Looks like I'm at 3/12
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I cannot contribute for I am a brood war noob ):
it'll be nice to see the sc2 section improved its about the same as during the beta hehe
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This is really neat. Go LP!
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Wow that a really nice idea, hopefully it will encourage people to contribute and be recognized
Also I use a Google Chrome addon named "Change colors" and I can't see the coins unless I disable the addon:
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Is there a way to address this problem? Thanks.
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On April 29 2011 03:57 Zerglinguist wrote:
It's a great idea but I'm worried about the amount of people going for coins and not really trying to provide useful information.
Coins are awarded for providing useful information lol...
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Hyrule19029 Posts
On April 28 2011 22:10 DivinO wrote:
Um. Are you sure there's enough people checking edits? I'm just questioning.
That's normally what I do, but I've been super busy lately. Don't worry, though...I'll power through everything this weekend.....
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Hyrule19029 Posts
The thing is, people who "whore" for content will get banned (as has always been the policy regarding users who make shit edits), and all of their edits will be rolled back. If an editor misses them, or you get there first, then you have the chance to undo their edit, which potentially earns you lots of coin score.
Maybe.
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Sweden5554 Posts
On April 29 2011 00:34 Archerofaiur wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2011 23:36 salle wrote:
Yeah golds also go up to 4 ... but after those, what's then? Just on a hunch Platinum, Diamond and um Blue Star Coins?
I think you're wrong, but then again the only place to find out for sure is to go here.
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But if you say that there is more than gold ... and 1 gold coin is is the most I have seen yet - assuming that there are multiple gold coins - you speak of a contribution so big, it will darken the sun
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then we shall edit in the shade
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Sweden5554 Posts
On April 29 2011 06:22 Tufas wrote:But if you say that there is more than gold ... and 1 gold coin is is the most I have seen yet - assuming that there are multiple gold coins - you speak of a contribution so big, it will darken the sun + Show Spoiler +
then we shall edit in the shade
There's one guy who's so awesome- it's crazy really and I'm sure you'll doubt me - but he has two, that's right TWO!!! gold coins!!! (Aesop that is)
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That's awesome, I love the Liquipedia <3
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On April 29 2011 06:25 salle wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2011 06:22 Tufas wrote:But if you say that there is more than gold ... and 1 gold coin is is the most I have seen yet - assuming that there are multiple gold coins - you speak of a contribution so big, it will darken the sun + Show Spoiler +
then we shall edit in the shade
There's one guy who's so awesome- it's crazy really and I'm sure you'll doubt me - but he has two, that's right TWO!!! gold coins!!! (Aesop that is)
I have missed the creator of this thread ... I feel ashamed
Please accept my humble apologies, sir !
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Canada409 Posts
Very cool stuff! Glad to see Liquipedia editors are finally get the recognition they deserve. Really neat way of getting newcomers to contribute to the wiki as well. I wouldn't be surprised if the amount of activity on Liquipedia increases drastically over the next few days. 
Anyhow, I completely expect salle to be the first to go beyond the gold coin. Man's a total Liquipedia workhorse and guru! Don't disappoint me now! <3
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On April 29 2011 06:15 salle wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2011 00:34 Archerofaiur wrote:On April 28 2011 23:36 salle wrote:
Yeah golds also go up to 4 ... but after those, what's then? Just on a hunch Platinum, Diamond and um Blue Star Coins? I think you're wrong, but then again the only place to find out for sure is to go here.
I knew what that was and i still decided to click it.
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I have to wonder how much work it'd take to get the fabled gold4.
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I have a question. OP says a is a constant. But why is it 1/a in the formula? There is any special meaning about a? The same thing applies to N.
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Norway25712 Posts
Just hoping this'll lead to serious contributions to the LiquiPedia, and not just people trying to farm for that sacred Gold Coin.
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On April 28 2011 16:12 ReketSomething wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2011 16:11 Stroggi wrote:
Can we expect platinum, diamond, master and grand master coins in the future? And then of course remove the bronze coins and then add a Elite Grandmaster League.
And after that a Rainbow league. :D
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Everyone who helps updating liquipedia deserves this coins and respect
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Hyrule19029 Posts
On April 29 2011 07:12 Sufficiency wrote:I have a question. OP says a is a constant. But why is it 1/ a in the formula? There is any special meaning about a? The same thing applies to N.
Where's the fun in telling you exactly what the numbers are? Besides, who said the constants are the same for everyone?
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Hyrule19029 Posts
On April 29 2011 07:29 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2011 16:12 ReketSomething wrote:On April 28 2011 16:11 Stroggi wrote:
Can we expect platinum, diamond, master and grand master coins in the future? And then of course remove the bronze coins and then add a Elite Grandmaster League. And after that a Rainbow league. :D
And then double rainbow league
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great work gents, your doing good things for the community
A++..+!
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This is a great idea but I'm worried that people will start making crappy articles
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Australia8532 Posts
it's awesome that people will start receiving some credit for the LP efforts; some appreciation for the diligent keyboard warriors (in a positive sense) is well needed.
Thanks!
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Sweden5554 Posts
On April 29 2011 08:16 RedTerror wrote:
This is a great idea but I'm worried that people will start making crappy articles
Then help out by making non crappy ones and fixing any "crappy" ones into great ones?
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These are some pretty cool changes. It makes me want to contribute to liquipedia more, but I'm sure everyone is on top of all that. =P
I noticed that I had a coin icon, and to be honest, I don't feel that it's well deserved. I did make an entry, but it was for a build that's probably outdated by now. ^^;
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Congratz everyone who contributed
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Great now people will farm these coins and contribute to the community at the same time.
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Best well deserved coin ever. Congratz to everyone.
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brb, gonna start mass editing liquidpedia
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Thank you for keeping us updated on all the going-ons in ESPORTS!
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I can't wait for the to-be-improved LP :3
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Awesome work LP!!.. Keep up the hard work!!!.
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/care?
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User was banned for this post.
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I was kinda wondering why I had some strange symbol at the bottom of my posts now. Pretty sweet deal if you ask me. Just kinda sad that it looks like I'm bronze
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great idea. I really hope they post more updated things to the build section
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Yay I got coins!
Edit: Wow i thought there was like only 3 differents icons, seems there a lot more o.o
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Woah how did that get there?
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 Day[9] Probably knows how to do that equation :D Looks good guys keep up the good work!
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well, at least there has been one addition into the builds section for zerg (ice fisher)! But i guess liquipedia will just evolve and mature with time, especially with a cool lookin symbol for an incentive good idea TL
(PS: maybe someone can get started on cleaning up the 40+ stub builds for zerg?)
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On April 29 2011 08:35 blahman3344 wrote:
I noticed that I had a coin icon, and to be honest, I don't feel that it's well deserved. I did make an entry, but it was for a build that's probably outdated by now. ^^;
If the build was ever used, it's worth having it in there.
Take that recent Shine game where he went lurker/guardian/hydra. Hadn't really been used for like... 8 years (commentators joked that the Terran was likely in grade school the last time the strategy was used and that he'd probably never played against it). Just because it isn't viable currently, doesn't mean it shouldn't be listed. Maybe someday some gosu will look at it and go "hmm, I bet if I tweak this here and that there, I can make it work again."
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This actually seems like a very great idea. It will get some users recognized for their contribution.
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