I would like to say that Coach Cho did the right thing, and perhaps saved CJ's existence due to his quick action.

What Savior committed was really the greatest treachery ever...It is obvious that Cho invested significant faith in Savior, and this is what he got back. Lies and betrayal.

What I would like to know is whether Savior started this entire shady business before or AFTER his fall from grace. To me, "after" seems to be more logical of the two.

chessmaster

United States268 Posts

May 18 2010 15:46 GMT

#822

yeah i really have the biggest problem with his selling his teammates replays more than betraying the fans

although both are pretty bad ,, not to mention the sponsors etc ,, team his money might have made to make better living conditions or the little extras they get for performing well ,, all that shit
hurting e-sports in general .. now sponsors are going to be more reluctant most likely

this is a side effect of players working near slave labor .. but he was making the most ,, and i have been saying for 6 months or so ago on this site .. since i started posting here (was lurking much longer) that the players need to get control and form a union of sorts .. every one laughed at me here ,calling me a moron saying they do it for the love of the game ,, they will never gamble on their own games or match fix .. this very same topic
........this was one of the things i was most worried about 2 years ago when i learned betting was big in Asia with star-craft // i am going to look for the post i even bring this up ,,,,, tons of poeple laughing at me for even saying it .. so ironic.. one of those thing you do not want to be right about

KristianJS

2107 Posts

May 18 2010 16:07 GMT

#823

On May 19 2010 00:43 dukethegold wrote:
I would like to say that Coach Cho did the right thing, and perhaps saved CJ's existence due to his quick action.

What Savior committed was really the greatest treachery ever...It is obvious that Cho invested significant faith in Savior, and this is what he got back. Lies and betrayal.

What I would like to know is whether Savior started this entire shady business before or AFTER his fall from grace. To me, "after" seems to be more logical of the two.

It seems more reasonable that he was first approached by these gamblers while he was at, or close to, his peak. After all, that's when throwing a game would be the most rewarding in terms of betting.

hejakev

Sweden518 Posts

May 18 2010 17:13 GMT

#824

I forgive them. They just better not let it happen again.

Biff The Understudy

France7897 Posts

May 18 2010 17:55 GMT

#825

On May 18 2010 23:33 YuMMie wrote:
When or IF it is 100% confirmed that saviOr is involved, im gona burn my CJ Entus shirt (pro edition) and film it.

Yes its the same shirt i won the right to buy in the lottery here on Teamliquid.

lololololololol

You will feel good after that won't you?

Autofire2

Pakistan290 Posts

May 18 2010 17:55 GMT

#826

I disagree with Zato, but props to him for bravely voicing a dissenting opinion in this ****storm.

It's nice to see some integrity.

Biff The Understudy

France7897 Posts

May 18 2010 17:59 GMT

#827

On May 18 2010 14:32 Rekrul wrote:
i bet blizzard feels like a kid whos rich daddy just died

I laughed so hard. Yeah, they must be opening champagne at the moment.

iamho

United States3347 Posts

May 18 2010 19:18 GMT

#828

sparkyz is completely effed now

lowbright

308 Posts

May 18 2010 19:23 GMT

#829

noooooooo sell it to me

baller

527 Posts

May 18 2010 19:26 GMT

#830

In Korea, I StarCraft player. Number one. Fast hand. One day, Proleague finals. I play game. But… mistake! I lose game! Team very mad! I say knee hurt, go to B-team. No skill, no knee, no money! Team still give me job. Now I have two knee, Swiss watch, and many woman. Team. Save. Life. My big secret: I lose proleague game.. on purpose. I good player. THE BEST!

Qwertify

United States2531 Posts

May 18 2010 19:31 GMT

#831

On May 18 2010 11:28 Milkis wrote:

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God damn. Savior, what a fucking douchebag lol. What a selfish, evil bastard. I feel so bad for the coach.

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Translation:

First Image
- If that's the case, who was the one who reported the Game Fixing Scandal? The person is Coach Cho Kyuu Nam from CJ.

The Article Says: "A specific team's Coach found large amounts of practice videos of players stored in a computer of a player who was on vacation, and upon hearing about the truth about match fixing from the player, he reported this to KeSPA, who began the investigations"

If you read this article, it's not just replays, but "Videos". When you stoop this low, you're just insane. How could you take practice videos of your comrades and sell them for their own profit...

Second Image (This is a statement made by the coach likely BEFORE the events of the first image)
Coach Cho Kyuu Nam:
Savior plays well in practice, but he never performed when playing in actual games.
He buys a lot of brand items nowadays, maybe his mental state isn't very healthy?
I was thinking this when Investigators started investigating.
When this happened, Savior went on his knees and said.
"Coach, It's really not me. Please believe me"
Savior who was already suffering from his lack of performance was also being swept by this...
So I took him out of the roster, put him on a sick leave and told him to go home and rest.
ON the internet, there are terrible people who are spreading rumors that Savior is the criminal.
Those Fomos bastards even used Savior's silhouette on their pictures.
Things died down when I told everyone that It is 100% not savior and that I will sue anyone who spreads rumors.
When all of this is over, Savior will finally resurrect. Fighting.
"Will update slowly"

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I feel sooooo bad for the coach right now. holy shit.

Wait .. it Coach Cho says it is not sAviOr, then who could it possibly be??

Jathin

United States3505 Posts

May 18 2010 19:33 GMT

#832

--- Nuked ---

moopie

12605 Posts

May 18 2010 19:35 GMT

#833

I still like go.go, shame his career ends like this.

Biff The Understudy

France7897 Posts

May 18 2010 20:08 GMT

#834

On May 19 2010 04:35 moopie wrote:
I still like go.go, shame his career ends like this.

So many progamers disappearing at once... Luxury and YarnC going, that will feel a bit weird. Not that they were good but I was used to them.

bokchoi

Korea (South)9498 Posts

May 18 2010 20:14 GMT

#835

Mr. Shin apologized on his cyworld. According to the comments people are saying its UpMagic.
http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=106886&db=issue&cate=&page=1&field=&kwrd=

Also, I don't necessarily think this is the end of their careers. I think it will be looked case by case and seen exactly how much money was made, how many matches fixed, etc. I think if its just like 1-2 matches it might be a little severe to ban a player, because people do make mistakes. If it was just a mistake that happened once and never happened again I think they should be forgiven, but of course some kind of punishment, ban, sanction, etc. must be placed on the players who participated in this with varying severity based on the severity of their crimes.

MidKnight

Lithuania884 Posts

May 18 2010 20:17 GMT

#836

On May 19 2010 04:26 baller wrote:
In Korea, I StarCraft player. Number one. Fast hand. One day, Proleague finals. I play game. But… mistake! I lose game! Team very mad! I say knee hurt, go to B-team. No skill, no knee, no money! Team still give me job. Now I have two knee, Swiss watch, and many woman. Team. Save. Life. My big secret: I lose proleague game.. on purpose. I good player. THE BEST!

hahahaha

Aww man

PhOeniX[MinD]

361 Posts

May 18 2010 20:20 GMT

#837

this is becoming more interesting every second. now savior was acing to play bad at live games and he played well at practice. having replays and VOD's of his mates.

now i really see what was he thinking. one side of me is disappointed and the other thinks savior very smart.

pugowar

United States142 Posts

May 18 2010 20:25 GMT

#838

On May 18 2010 22:05 Waxangel wrote:
http://pgr21.com/zboard4/zboard.php?id=free2&no=41489

gogo apologized as well

Can someone please translate this? This is (was I guess) one of my favorite players and I would like to read his words.

PhOeniX[MinD]

361 Posts

May 18 2010 20:25 GMT

#839

On May 19 2010 02:59 Biff The Understudy wrote:

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I laughed so hard. Yeah, they must be opening champagne at the moment.

any way i dont think SC2 will be as great as bw and wont be so great to play it on multiplayer.
im more excited about the history and the fact that i want to belive is going to be as great as BW.
but im sure it wont.

Biff The Understudy

France7897 Posts

May 18 2010 20:43 GMT

#840

On May 19 2010 05:25 PhOeniX[MinD] wrote:

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I know. I don't think SC2 has a quarter of BW's potential both as a game and as a sport, but it doesn't matter at this point. Blizzard has every ineterest now that Kespa and BW pro scene die quickly. In fact they don't but they think they do, because they think short term as usual for big companies.